Ray Comfort is a HUGE douchebag
Offline These videos shouldn't surprise me by now, and I don't know why I can't stop watching them. I really think that he is getting up there with Hovind in my hate-o-meter.
Does anyone else hate Ray Comfort as much as I do, or am I just being "irrational"? All he does is go around calling people lying, cheating, thieving, adulterous hearted blasphemers who will be sent to hell on the day of judgement or some shit like that. I REALLY HATE HIM.
Not only that, but he's a young earth creationist. You can't really get much worse..... except for Hovind.
Rather than shitting on everyone elses thread where Comfort is mentioned, I thought I'd start a thread dedicated to him. The comments about him being a douchebag on that YouTube page are mine by the way. That guy who uploaded the video tries to witness to people who criticize Ray Comfort.
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I don't hate him, however I have extreme disrespect for his dishonesty. I think Ray knows he's full of shit. If he doesn't then he's simply ignorant.
Ray embodies a theory that I coined with a friend about five years ago, it's one I haven't mentioned on this forum yet...
The theory of inherent dishonesty in theism:
One must resort to either being ignorant or dishonest, or both when arguing that a God exists.
It's my contention that The theory of inherent dishonesty in theism is more valid than evolution, until proven otherwise.
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Something churches and diapers have in common. Both are usually full of shit!
I wish you guys did Saturday shows during the day too. I usually go do stuff with friends on Friday nights.
I could join in the chatroom on Tuesday nights when RevereRadio plays the show, but the other guys can't always do that. So we don't m,=ake a big stink about it. Just bring your friends to the chatroom.
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I just had the displeasure of watching part of his "Way of the Master" videos. Ugh. I got through 10 minutes of it and, seriously, vomitted. This man is seriously fucking retarded. Are you telling me that a banana is proof of ID? Please.
Not everyone holds a banana that way. Not everyone eats a banana that way. What if a crab held a banana? His fucking ridge theory doesn't hold up.
He keeps trying to equate non-natural things, like the production of car, with evolution of natural things. Yeah, no shit a car won't evolve.
Ray Comfort is the biggest douchebag in the world. And I bet that Kirk guy has a small wang.
"I call Christianity the one great curse, the one great intrinsic depravity, the one great instinct of revenge, for which no means are venomous enough, or secret, subterranean and small enough - I call it the one immortal blemish upon the human race." -
I had a very similar argument presented to be in the Christian Youth forums. I'll have to see if I can find it. But it was pretty stupid.
I will say, I really do get a kick out of Ray Comfort's accent. I like imitating the banana speech in front of my parents, who are theists.
Say unto thine own heart, "I am mine own redeemer."
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Agh, I utterly DESPISE Comfort... proof of the need for mandatory sterilization... haha watched that vid from WOTM with him and altar-boy-ass Kirk Cameron- haha they were witnessing to gays and transgender people! Fuckin' a- appears that homosexuality is a sin just like any other sin- and it's important to repent so that likl Jeebus can make you not gay I guess so you don't roast in hell for eternity- seriously it should be illegal to be that stupid!
And will someone PLEASE TELL THAT IDIOT THAT HE'S PARTIALLY RIGHT ABOUT THE BANANA! The banana IS evidence of ID- haha of HUMAN ID of course- it's a cultivar and has been cultivated in Melanesia and Southeast Asia for thousands of years- the reason it has no seeds is that it's a polyploid, with three instead of two sets of chromosomes! For "Christ's" sake, TELL me that SOMEONE has held his feet to the fire about this?!!
Haha I love the car argument... have you heard the "spork" argument? That a spork is a missing link between the fork and spoon?!
And AGAIN, the banana IS PROOF OF ID- HUMAN ID!!! Melanesian and Southeast Asian peoples cultivated them for thousands of years- wild bananas are smaller, much less tasty and full of seeds- domestic ones are polyploids, meaning that they have three sets of chromosomes instead of the usual two- that happens sometimes naturally, but without humans to favor the mutation something like that's going to die out in the wild for obvious reasons.
ray comfort should come out with a line of comfortable reclining chairs and sofas
I find Ray Comfort highly annoying.
:-x
I can't believe he does the same speech again and again. (The questions bit.) Can't he come up with anything new? Everyone must have heard it a zillion times. No one runs away, and people rarely argue back.
His level of understanding of basic science is just horrible. I hope someday as he's doing his interviews on the street, he bumps into a teacher, who rips him several new orifices.
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This is Wolf Blitzer in the Sitution Room, our top story tonight, DUH!
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I think Ray is frustrating, irrational, and irritating when he discusses his beliefs, but he seems likable in some ways. Yes, he is childish and misguided, but both Comfort and Cameron seem so friendly and well meaning that I don't dislike them as much as I detest their viewpoints on religion and evolution.
yeah, i will say this about comfort: i don't think there's an ounce of cynicism or alterior motive there. he's the real deal. he is frequently dishonest in his arguments, but i think that comes from varying ratios of cognative dissonance and ends-justifying-the-means thinking.
he's the closest thing to ned flanders you'll ever find in the real world.
"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
--Hunter S. Thompson
Comfort fella. I find him wrong. It's a pity ain't it.
It's a pity that you two are on the same team?
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
I completely (although respectfully) disagree.
That's doesn't justify the means to be dishonest.
I've never had to resort to lying about scientific explanations of the natural world or why the bible is a crock and illustrates and condones the actions of an immoral god.
I keep asking myself " Are they just playin' stupid, or are they just plain stupid?..."
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy" : David Brooks
" Only on the subject of God can smart people still imagine that they reap the fruits of human intelligence even as they plow them under." : Sam Harris
well, there's a difference between cynicism and dishonesty. a person can fool themselves in believing that they're fudging facts for the right reasons, if they're blindly idealistic, which i think comfort is. if they're blind enough, they start to believe their own lies almost immediately, and i think he falls into this category as well.
i don't know what his ulterior motives could be. despite nightline, he's not terribly famous. there are even plenty of evangelical christians who have never heard of him. those christian leaders who know about him generally shun him as an extremist, since he believes salvation consists of repenting of our sins solely to avoid the wrath of god and that those who convert for feel-good reasons (longing for acceptance, etc.) are usually "false converts."
if he's making a ton of money, he's hiding it well. he dresses like he just came out of a j.c. penny's in 1995. and did you see the photo in the news of kirk blowing out his birthday candles in the wotm conference room? the little church i grew up in has a nicer conference room than that.
my point was that he believes in his message 100%. i don't think you could even say that for kent hovind.
"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
--Hunter S. Thompson
It'd be nice to have a foolproof method to find out if belief is even possible. As a lifelong scientific atheist I can't rule out the possibility, but neither can I comprehend the mind set that theists live in. As a result, I find myself in the position of being unable to believe in the belief of a god any more than I can believe in a god. Perhaps they're all lying to themselves, before they lie to others.
In this, ex-theists have an advantage over me, because they know (presumably) whether or not they actually ever believed. All I can do is observe. But observation isn't sufficient. I have no way of testing belief in belief, let alone belief itself.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
The same as sinners:
Moola.
How small do you think a 'small' slice of American Pie is?...
Why do you think he's willing to pay Richard Dawkins $20,000.00 to debate him?
http://www.pulltheplugonatheism.com/
" Comfort not only apologizes for the illustration, he also offers Richard Dawkins $20,000 to debate him on the existence of God. You won't believe what Dawkins says... " : Pull The Plug On Atheism . com
That's what Kent Hovind did for quite a while.
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/16451/kent-hovind-dr-dino-guilty-on-all-counts
"-Kent Hovind, founder of Creation Science Evangelism and Dinosaur Adventure Land in Pensacola, was found guilty of 58 counts, including failure to pay $845,000 in employee-related taxes.
-Jo Hovind was charged and convicted in 44 of the counts involving evading bank-reporting requirements.
-Counts one through 12 include Kent Hovind’s alleged failure to collect nearly $470,000 in employee taxes.
-Counts 13 through 57 include both Kent and Jo Hovind. They are charged with structuring cash transactions of $430,500 to avoid reporting requirements.
-The jury also granted the prosecution’s request for the Hovinds to forfeit $430,400. That amount equals the value of the checks signed and cashed by Jo Hovind in the 44 counts.
-Count 58 includes the following charges against Kent Hovind:
-Filing a frivolous lawsuit against the IRS, demanding damages for criminal trespass.
-Filing an injunction against an IRS agent.
-Making threats against investigators and those cooperating with the investigation.
-Filing false complaints against the IRS for false arrest, excessive use of force and theft."
Have you checked out Ray Comfort's 'The Way Of The Master' website?
http://www.wayofthemaster.com/
You even get your own 'shopping cart'...lol
There's an awful lot of SKU's there.
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Then there's the 'Ambassadors Alliance' Evangelism training academy
And they have all the angles covered for becoming a *cough* partner in Jesus
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I believe he thinks he can do much 'good'.
I strongly doubt him and I would agree with what his definition of 'good' entails...
I keep asking myself " Are they just playin' stupid, or are they just plain stupid?..."
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy" : David Brooks
" Only on the subject of God can smart people still imagine that they reap the fruits of human intelligence even as they plow them under." : Sam Harris
I fully believed in god as I was taught from the bible, taught from infancy. If I had doubts I attributed it to my sinful nature or the devil trying to steal my soul. But I don't think it was doubt about god's existence but more in line with do I believe my church is the true church. Can I be deceived? There is a god and for sure Jesus is him, but what if I was wrong about the details. Even the disciples misunderstood his mission, so the story goes, until after the resurrection.
I remember studying the skies each day looking for Jesus to return. Shit the more I think, even after I left the ministry I was still a committed believer. It probably was in the past 7-10 years I started to take a hard look at it and it was quite fearful to allow me to think in those terms. Belief is all a sinner has per the bible. You let go of that what do you have?
All Christians carry that same doubt but it probably is not grand scale as to whether there is a god or not, but are they right with god (e.g. Is the church telling me the truth? how can I know if I am saved? ) Ray Comfort has doubts and I bet he would agree he has, but he would quickly revert to I am a sinner and this test of faith will make me stronger. Stuff like that.
Here is my de-conversion progression.
1) I rather be in hell with friends than be in heaven with Jesus' followers. They really were annoying me. It was become more fake to me.
2) Why god are you letting all this horror happen and sit idly by? (this god, jehovah, is one mean prick) The bible really rips at your faith.
3) Jehovah as shown in the bible cannot exist. it is totally man-made. If there was a god he would be better than us. Jehovah/Jesus is not.
4) All gods are man-made
5) if there is a god he must be a life force, deism
6) No evidence of any of it - I am an atheist.
Religion Kills !!!
Numbers 31:17-18 - Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
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The way I look at it, doubt is evidence of a lack of belief. The inability to truly and completely accept something as true, regardless of the evidence or lack-there-of. I have absolutely no doubt about the things I know. Nor the things I believe. On occasion something I believed was proven wrong and I adjusted accordingly, but until the proof was laid out, there was no doubt.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
Well, it is dependent on how outlandish what one believes in. Bible stories are quite outlandish with no evidence of such things happening today. I have debated that with Christians. I asked them where are the biblical miracles today? Have they seen someone rising from the dead after rigor mortis has set it, or giving someone sight after they were blind from birth, or even predicting global disasters accurately (they certainly keep trying on that one). Someone did tell me that their father had cancer had days to live and they prayed over him. Then all of sudden a nurse came running down the hallway stating the last cat scan showed all the cancer was completely gone. But they went silent when I started questioning it and broke off the conversation. But mostly all I get is they prayed to meet someone and fall in love (duh-evolution handles that) or get a job (it happens). The correct response is to nod and say how wonderful. Anything else and the mood quickly changes. People do not like their delusion blankee taken away.
But that contrast of bible stories and real life has fundamental Christianity living on hype. They have to continue to stir up their congregations (so change falls out of their pants and purses into the collection plates). Doom, gloom and Jesus coming back. You can only take so much of that before you go WTF. These are some of the annoying believers I was referring to earlier. Your suspension of disbelief is all you can offer to this god. So, you have to have doubts and certainly have to wrestle with them all the time. But that is clearly laid out in the bible and is to be expected. It is associated with the believers sinful nature which is the first selling point of the grand marketing scheme. You know Comfort's favorite bit - "have you ever told a lie, have you ever had lust in your heart...." First get them to buy they are a sinner, then provide the snake oil. It is true I told a lie and had lust and that one day I will die. No doubt. Oh, there is Someone that will forgive me if I ask and live eternally? Well, there must be a god. Its Jehovah. OK, simple enough. Now where do I get baptized and what else do I need to learn and know. Here is another rule, OK, thank you. This is another step I would add to above. The rules, oh my Enki, they just build and build. Very burdensome. You got to dress a certain way, think a certain way, feel a certain way, talk a certain way, vote a certain way.... My problem was I kept wanting to know more and it does become crushing. You can erect only so many facades.
However, if you start out a scientific atheist you don' t have to believe outlandish things. You get physical confirmation. I can see how doubt wouldn't have been part of your upbringing. Science doesn't have such hype around it. It is thoughtful & reflective. I am envious of that. I had one badass lost weekend that raged on for decades.
What is the most outlandish thing you have ever believed? Is there anything you believe now and have doubts about?
Religion Kills !!!
Numbers 31:17-18 - Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
http://jesus-needs-money.blogspot.com/
I can't really come up with anything significant. I vaguely recall getting into an argument with my sister over the classification of whales as mammals when I was maybe 6 or 7, with me being wrong. But then I knew it at the time, I was simply too angry to admit it. A good experience though, as it was one of the incidents that showed me how irrational one can be when emotions run high.
Next closest was an attempt as a child to reach out to a god during a scary incident, but the incident was resolved without any apparent divine intervention, and reaching out in said fashion didn't comfort me during the interim.
Next closest was a hypothesis on the relation between time and temperature that I came up with while smoking weed more than a decade ago, but I never actually believed it either. Mostly because the hypothesis had no way of being tested.
I'm relatively sure I have at least one or two posts here that have me being proved wrong on some point or another, but not in any spectacular way.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
I suppose the only thing that REALLY qualifies are my mistaken characterisations of people. Not a common occurrence, and it's gotten rarer as I get older, but occasionally I'd believe someone had character traits that they were later shown not to have, or vice versa.
But I wouldn't quite describe any of those mistakes as outlandish, merely naive or opti/pessimistic.
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