Christianity and Urban Legends - the connection

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Christianity and Urban Legends - the connection

Perhaps some of you heard about the internet rumor that declared that Steve Irwin, the 'crocodile guy', became a born again christian just prior to his death.

Many christians repeated this rumor as fact , and even believed that they were citing 'original eyewitnesses' to the converion.

But if you look into what actually happened, you see that in each case where a christian minister declared that there was 'eyewitness proof' that in fact, there was no actual witness.

Now, isn't that interesting, given the christian claim that there were eyewitnesses for jesus? Modern christians are willing to swallow rumors whole, and repeat them as if they had real evidence, yet we can expose the falsity of their claims here:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/irwin.asp

Now, the same christian who is easily duped into believing that there are eyewitnesses to an event when there aren't, wants you and I to accept his claim that there were eyewitnesses for jesus 2000 years ago!

As you read through this, just imagine how much easier it would have been 1900 years ago for a person to confuse a rumor for a fact!

Here's the article:

As Creation Ministries International (CMI) posted on its site about the puzzling e-mail quoted above(i.e. the claim that irwin became a born again christian), the note was mailed to them in response to their article about Steve Irwin’s death. It was indeed penned by Robyn Reiser, a pastor in Queensland, Australia, which at first blush made it appear entirely reliable. However, the letter's writer works at the Noosa Christian Outreach Centre, not at the church where the Crocodile Hunter had supposedly taken Christ into his life (Kings Christian Church in Queensland, an Assembly of God church), so she was therefore not reporting on something she herself had witnessed but was rather passing along a story picked up from someone else. She later explained that she had merely mailed the rumor to CMI for confirmation and had not meant her message to be a confirmation of fact, but a staffer a CMI forwarded it outside of that organization and onto the Internet at large:
Due to an article about Steve Irwin on the Australian website of Creation Ministries International last Thursday night, I filled out their 'contact us' form on their website. In telephone conversations with their Australian Managing Director the organisation was to verify the information given. At no time during these telephone conversations was permission given for the public release of all or part of the 'contact us' form I filled out.

A breach by staff members of that organization has occured. I have a letter of apology from the Managing Director of Creation Ministries International which he has given permission for me to circulate.

Creation Ministries International's posting about the rumor described what anyone familiar with the tracking of urban legends would immediately recognize as a typical futile exercise in unraveling a "FOAF chain," that never-ending hall of mirrors where the investigator always feels he is but one or two steps away from speaking with the source of the story, yet no matter how many of the chain's links he tracks down and interviews, he never gets any closer to the person the incident either happened to or who witnessed it first-hand:
Each time, seemingly reliable witnesses are invoked, but they are never the actual eyewitnesses, despite everyone’s (including Pastor R.R.’s) best efforts to confirm. At least one major church in another part of Australia announced it joyfully from the pulpit. But there again it turned out to be on the basis of seemingly reliable, almost impeccable eyewitness testimony — but testimony which could, again, not be confirmed, sadly.

Different versions of the Steve Irwin message have claimed that his conversion took place at any one of a number of churches on Australia's Sunshine coast, or perhaps through a chaplain working with a school or zoo in that area. According to Steve Penny, senior minister of Kings Christian Church on the Sunshine Coast Australia, all of those rumors are unfounded:
Steve Penny wishes to advise that the story of Steve Irwin's conversion to Christianity in Kings Christian Church is unfounded. Further investigation has failed to substantiate rumours of his conversion in any church on the Sunshine Coast, or through a Zoo or school chaplain.

We urge people to refrain from spreading these rumours, which may only cause undue stress on the Irwin family.

We encourage you to pray for Terri Irwin and her children, that their faith in Jesus may be strengthened and that they may continue to grow in the great future and hope which HE has for them.

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bravo, todangst. i still

bravo, todangst.
i still wonder at the motivation to spread such a rumour, though. wouldn't it make more sense for christians to spread the story that stever irwin was some sort of pagan devil-worshipper, and was punished by god?
exactly what good does it do to say that he converted to christianity shortly before he was savagely impaled by a normally docile sea creature? wouldn't that give the impression that conversion=savage death?

regardless, this is a perfect example of the over-zealous game of telephone that has become an organized religion.

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DrFear wrote:bravo,

DrFear wrote:
bravo, todangst.
i still wonder at the motivation to spread such a rumour, though. wouldn't it make more sense for christians to spread the story that stever irwin was some sort of pagan devil-worshipper, and was punished by god?

My guess is that people liked Steve Irwin, and were saddened by his death, so they desired to hear something that would soften their sadness. Believing that he was a born again christian who 'went to heaven' was one way to alleviate this sadness.

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exactly what good does it do to say that he converted to christianity shortly before he was savagely impaled by a normally docile sea creature? wouldn't that give the impression that conversion=savage death?

I think their concern is that death itself be avoided somehow.... they don't see irwin as a bad guy being punished, but a nice guy who died for no reason.

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regardless, this is a perfect example of the over-zealous game of telephone that has become an organized religion.

Yes! There are plenty of christian asserting that there are eyewitnesses to his conversion, yet in reality, there are none. If people today could fall for such false claims, how much moreso would uneducated, credulous people in ancient times fall for a jesus story... considering that most people took the existence of gods for granted to begin with!

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mmm, i can see that

mmm, i can see that angle....that's way more pathetic....

we should try to put something together to correlate the fraudulent Stever conversion with some of Rook's mythical christ evidence.....hell, maybe Steve Irwin could be our new christ.....clapping

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Christians tried to say the

Christians tried to say the same thing about Robert Ingersoll, Darwin, and Thomas Paine.


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MattShizzle wrote:Christians

MattShizzle wrote:
Christians tried to say the same thing about Robert Ingersoll, Darwin, and Thomas Paine.

They also did this with Carl Sagan. They cannot stand the fact that some of the most influential minds in history were not Christians. They cannot smear people like Sagan and Irwin because they did nothing but good in their lives. So, they just convince themselves and others that these people converted to Christianity before they died. Problem solved in their usual manner: lying to themselves.

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That always reminds me of

That always reminds me of that Bishop from the dark ages who said it was OK for Christians to lie as long as it promoted the faith. For over a millenium and a half they have listened.

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This is pathetic. It's like

This is pathetic. It's like a kid who gets angry that someone won't go out with them.


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DrFear wrote:bravo,

DrFear wrote:
bravo, todangst.
i still wonder at the motivation to spread such a rumour, though.

I think it has to do with the fact that they knew this story was going to be huge..so why not add a jesus tag along to spread...it's product placement. devious no?

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