Constitutional Amendment to prohibit gay marraige

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Constitutional Amendment to prohibit gay marraige

On Wednesday, March 1st, 2006, in Annapolis at a hearing on the proposed Constitutional Amendment to prohibit gay marriage, Jamie Raskin, professor of law at AU, was requested to testify.

At the end of his testimony, Republican Senator Nancy Jacobs said: "Mr. Raskin, my Bible says marriage is only between a man and a woman. What do you have to say about that?"

Raskin replied: "Senator, when you took your oath of office, you placed your hand on the Bible and swore to uphold the Constitution. You did not place your hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible."

The room erupted into applause.

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Claiming Faith is not debating

You really need to use the quote function and not mess with the font size.

Balone wrote:

pauljohntheskeptic saidBalone wrote:

 

gambling is not a victimless crime. If affects the entire community. It takes money away from other businesses. gambling is a sickness...I should know.

 

 

 

Pauljohn wrote

"Not a good argument. It affected you, you were the only real victim. If you were married it may affect your family, again it's "your family". As to taking money away from your community, it's no different than other financial choices made such as buying a Toyota not a Chevy. You could live in NJ and buy your car in Georgia and take money away from your community but spend it in another. Money you lose to someone else is spent in the economy somewhere it doesn't vanish.

Gambling to excess may be a sickness, but that's not the point. Alcoholism is a sickness too but it only affects some people not all. Misuse of anything can be attributed to an individual's weakness or mental stability. If the majority of the people don't have a problem than it's you that need to learn control or just not do an activity."

Have you ever been to Atlantic City or Las Vegas?  The money coming in from the casinos is not helping the community, it helps the casinos and the surronding businesses that is it. Go a few blocks away fron the casinos in any direction and it turns into a third world country. Also people are willing to spend their food, clothing and childrens education money on a chance for big bucks. It takes away from the other stores and businesses in the area...FACT.

 

Yes I have been to Las Vegas, many times and not to just gamble. I have stayed in Vegas for 4 weeks at a time. I may have been there over 300 times, I really have no idea. I have gone a few blocks from the strip in fact I have spent weeks a few blocks from the strip. Vegas is like any other city with the addition of gambling. If you are addicted you clearly should stay away. It's like putting a shot in front of an alcholoic. Unlike you, I can take $20 go to the tables win or lose and stop. You are unfairly trying to regulate the world to prevent yourself and others like you from being tempted. Prohibition was a stupid attempt to legislate morality and so would be legislation to prevent gambling. Sorry that you have a problem but there are many of us who don't. Fact - I have never spent money on gambling that I could not afford to lose. Fact - I'm not the only one. Fact - Vegas has vastly improved in all forms of services and community programs over the years compared to many cities of its size.

 

What a mess you made by not using the quote function.

 
Balone wrote:

1-God is. Why? Who? Prove this please,  do not have to that is what faith is all about. sorry you dont have any

2-God made all. Why? How? Prove this please., same as above, once agian I am sorry

3-God made man. Why? Prove this please. HHHMMM  same as above

4-Man broke the rules. What rules. How? Why? Prove this please. FAITH

5-Satan (disguised as a snake or not) tempted man to break the rules. Why? Who? Prove this please.  FAITH

6-Satan & his angels fell from God and wanted to bring God's creation down too, which is why he (it) tempted man. Why? Where is this stated again? Prove this please.  FAITH

7-God evicts man from Paradise. Where? Prove this please.  FAITH

8-Man was turned into a mortal being (or not given eternal life). Why? What? Prove this please. FAITH

9-Man is now born with Adam's original sin (predisposition to do wrong). Why? What? Prove this please. FAITh

10-God provided a future way to be saved. Where? How? What? Where in Genesis is this, I don't see it? Prove this please. FAITH

I do not have to prove nothing. this shows that you all really do not know what believing in God is about. If you like the materialistic, capitalistic, uncaring, inconsiderate, misinformed, delusional society just keep going the way you are and you will find the sum of all you deserve.


 

 

1- I asked you to prove the statement God is, you replied you don't have to because that's what faith is about.

BUZZ- Wrong answer.

You clearly have no children and have never taught or explained any concept to anyone. My point was if you expect to be taken seriously in proselytizing you have to explain your basis for faith. Why are you right in your belief and the Jews that were the basis for your religion wrong. There is more to this than they don't see Jesus as the messiah too.  Why am I wrong to claim your god is Yahweh the volcano god of Canaan?

2- I asked you to prove God made it all. Your answer again was faith.

BUZZ- Wrong answer.

You obviously have never had a 4 year old ask you  why 900 times have you? As far as I'm concerned Yahweh is a volcano god that some savages in Canaan dreamed up. He was incapable of everything especially making it all.

3-I asked why God made man and you said faith.

BUZZ- Wrong answer.

Faith doesn't provide an answer for an inquiring mind. Was God just bored with the 6 winged creatures singing?

4-I asked you what rules man broke. You said faith. Again- Wrong Answer. Running away from questions by saying faith indicates to me you have no idea.

5-I asked about Satan or the snake tempting man, you said faith again. I conclude you have no idea and are afraid to consider this question as it may cause you to have a microsecond of doubt which could damn you forever.

6-I asked you when & where Satan & his angels fell from God. Your answer was faith. Faith in what? You realize no where in your Holy Bible is there anything about this don't you? You have faith in something not in your book. Revelation doesn't count as that is a future event in most Christian concepts.

7-I asked about God evicting man from Paradise. Your took the Faith Amendment again. You sound a lot like a Mobster on the stand. I take the 5th. In you case it's I take it on Faith. Your Bible describes a situation where upon Paradise is described in a place that should be easy to locate. Just look for the flaming swords.

8-Man was turned into a mortal being. You took the Faith again. There's no proof man wasn't always mortal and nothing in the myth of the Garden supports that man wasn't always so.

9- I asked you why was man born with Adam's original sin and you took the Faith. Your Bible doesn't say this in Genesis, the Jews generally don't agree with you.

10-I asked where God provided a future way to be saved and you took the Faith again. I guess that means he didn't as you don't know where in Genesis to find it.

 

You don't have to prove anything to yourself, but you do need to prove your claims if you try to push your beliefs on others. If you can't provide proof, then just don't try to debate or discuss. Keep your Faith to yourself and all is well.

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Faith is NOT a good reason

Faith is NOT a good reason for believing anything. It's not even a bad reason. It's no reason for belief whatsoever.

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Balone wrote:i was going to

Balone wrote:

i was going to wait a little longer and debate further but what the hell

First I am Gay. And yes I do believe it is an abomination to God. So I am not practicing.

So does this get you closer to Paul the heretic Jew that had an affliction. You see this as your cross to bear in this world in other words. If so, you are being foolish. I'm not gay, but I don't care if others are. You are wasting your life being a martyr for a belief system that sees you as evil incarnate. Sorry for your problem, the belief in God that is.

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Second I am a registered Democrat. i voted for Clinton and Gore and Kerry.

I Will not vote for Obamassiah or McCain. i would not have voted for Billary either. i am voting for Ron Paul.

Politics is a completely different area. So what. The president that is elected will make some worthwhile decisions and he will not be able to do what he thought he could or promised. Get over it.

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I have the ability to see both sides of the coin. I am not self centered or am always thinking "What is in it for me?"

I guess that is just another Grace I received from God.

There are far more than 2 sides to issues.  Take the energy issue. Some want to pump oil from every square inch of the US. Some want to turn all our grains into ethanol, some want to tax gas to death, some want to go electric, some want hydrogen or natural gas to power cars, some want public transportation, some want the government to fund, and some don't.

Balone wrote:

My belief system revolves around the axiom "The needs of the many outway the needs of the few or the one"

You sound a whole lot like an old time communist with this statement. So you want to slave for others until every last person in the world has a pair of shoes? You want to work and feed every last person in the world? Why stop there, you going to help them all get DVD and HD TV?

Balone wrote:

80% of the US is Christian. The founding fathers founded this country on Christian beliefs. Who am I to argue that?

This is so not true. Look at Jefferson, Washington, and Thomas Paine to start.

Balone wrote:

If 80% of the population wants or doesn't want something I am happy to oblige.

Now you know why there is a Bill of Rights and laws to prevent discrimination.

Balone wrote:

It is all about what will make this society better or at least stable.

It appears to be stable, I don't see tanks on my street.

Balone wrote:

If the country wants abortion OK. I do not condone or sanction it but that is what the country wants. Those people will have to answer to God.

So what if they passed a law that all gays were to be executed because 80% want it as you are an abomination is that still OK?

Balone wrote:

If gay men and women want to get marry, I see no problem with it. If the majority of the country says no, then once agian I will go along with that.

Again, that's what the Bill of Rights is about and discrimination laws. You should have a right to get married to your boyfriend if you want, then you can see why marriage is hell.

Balone wrote:

Try to look at other point of views other than your own, you will find yourself a better person for it.

I do. I support gay marriage though I'm not gay.

I support your freedom of religion though I'm not a theist.

I support women's equality though I'm a guy.

I respect your right to your opinion though I think you are wrong.

Balone wrote:

I spent much time here fighting  for some views I do not have but can see the reasoning behind.

My best friend of 22 years is an atheist and we have great debates. I told him and showed him these posting and here is what he said. "Just like religious fanatics you have atheist fanatics. In every group there are fanatics and assholes"

There are all kinds of atheists many are passive many are not. Being passive doesn't seem to work as theists attempt to put God beliefs into laws to protect their view of morality. As I said in my last response to you, if you can't handle something or don't like it stay away from it. Consider this, I don't go to gay bars or churches because I'm not interested, if you see something as immoral to your belief stay away.

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Balone wrote:First I am Gay.

Balone wrote:
First I am Gay. And yes I do believe it is an abomination to God. So I am not practicing.

Yeah, I used to have a friend who believed that too. Dead now. Suicide. The person who convinced him he was an abomination claimed to be a non-practicing homosexual as well. So I should probably stop typing right now, but I'm not going to. See, since my friend died before ever practicing his gay-ness, is the whole gay thing now off the table, and is God just going to fry him for killing himself ?

I've seen and experienced first-hand the agony and pain this particular belief of yours can cause, so I was wondering : Why ? Why believe something so mindblowingly stupid ? There is a gay "non-practicing" moderate christian out there, who believes, with every fiber in his body no doubt, that he did a good thing when he told my friend his feelings are an abomination to God. Why ? For fuck's sake, explain to me why people like you believe things like that. I mean, do you really have no idea of how much pain you cause, or do you just don't give a damn ?

And if you can't do that, then please do me this little favor : When you're around young, impressionable gay kids who are having a hard time, SHUT UP about your "beliefs". Please, I'm begging you, keep your masochism to yourself.

I'm gay too, btw. I practice. The notion that God has a problem with that is beyond ridiculous.


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Anonymouse wrote:Balone

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Balone wrote:
First I am Gay. And yes I do believe it is an abomination to God. So I am not practicing.
Yeah, I used to have a friend who believed that too. Dead now. Suicide. The person who convinced him he was an abomination claimed to be a non-practicing homosexual as well. So I should probably stop typing right now, but I'm not going to. See, since my friend died before ever practicing his gay-ness, is the whole gay thing now off the table, and is God just going to fry him for killing himself ? I've seen and experienced first-hand the agony and pain this particular belief of yours can cause, so I was wondering : Why ? Why believe something so mindblowingly stupid ? There is a gay "non-practicing" moderate christian out there, who believes, with every fiber in his body no doubt, that he did a good thing when he told my friend his feelings are an abomination to God. Why ? For fuck's sake, explain to me why people like you believe things like that. I mean, do you really have no idea of how much pain you cause, or do you just don't give a damn ? And if you can't do that, then please do me this little favor : When you're around young, impressionable gay kids who are having a hard time, SHUT UP about your "beliefs". Please, I'm begging you, keep your masochism to yourself. I'm gay too, btw. I practice. The notion that God has a problem with that is beyond ridiculous.
Well enough said. You are right; Balone should keep his masochism to himself lest he become a sadist. However, I posit that the notion that god exists at all to have a problem with homosexuality is beyond ridiculous.

I'm still interested, though, in how one who claims to be homosexual does not practice homosexuality.  That does not make any sense; to be homosexual is to... be homosexual.  I don't even think 'being gay but not being gay' means anything. I’ll take answers, or the suggestion of an answer, from anyone.

Edit: It's saddening, Anonymouse, that your friend killed himself.

 

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Thomathy wrote:Anonymouse

Thomathy wrote:

Anonymouse wrote:
Balone wrote:
First I am Gay. And yes I do believe it is an abomination to God. So I am not practicing.
Yeah, I used to have a friend who believed that too. Dead now. Suicide. The person who convinced him he was an abomination claimed to be a non-practicing homosexual as well. So I should probably stop typing right now, but I'm not going to. See, since my friend died before ever practicing his gay-ness, is the whole gay thing now off the table, and is God just going to fry him for killing himself ? I've seen and experienced first-hand the agony and pain this particular belief of yours can cause, so I was wondering : Why ? Why believe something so mindblowingly stupid ? There is a gay "non-practicing" moderate christian out there, who believes, with every fiber in his body no doubt, that he did a good thing when he told my friend his feelings are an abomination to God. Why ? For fuck's sake, explain to me why people like you believe things like that. I mean, do you really have no idea of how much pain you cause, or do you just don't give a damn ? And if you can't do that, then please do me this little favor : When you're around young, impressionable gay kids who are having a hard time, SHUT UP about your "beliefs". Please, I'm begging you, keep your masochism to yourself. I'm gay too, btw. I practice. The notion that God has a problem with that is beyond ridiculous.
Well enough said. You are right; Balone should keep his masochism to himself lest he become a sadist. However, I posit that the notion that god exists at all to have a problem with homosexuality is beyond ridiculous.

I'm still interested, though, in how one who claims to be homosexual does not practice homosexuality.  That does not make any sense; to be homosexual is to... be homosexual.  I don't even think 'being gay but not being gay' means anything. I’ll take answers, or the suggestion of an answer, from anyone.

 

 

I guess he thinks that if he keeps denying it his god will take the "curse" (that according to his Bible his god gave him) away.

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I have heard that practice

I have heard that practice makes perfect...

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Thomathy wrote:It's

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It's saddening, Anonymouse, that your friend killed himself.

 

I'm sorry for bringing that up, but these "ex-gay" people need to know the consequences of their beliefs.

In case he's reading this : I'm not attacking you personally (although, truth be told, I would very much like to), I'm attacking your belief that being gay is an abomination.
I would really appreciate it if you had the guts to come back here and defend it. I really need to know why people do this.


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shikko wrote:Visual_Paradox

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That would be like me saying you stop your communist regimes and I will stop.

I would stop my communist regime, but I don't have one.

It's behind the mayo.  Honestly, men can never find things in the fridge...

Whatever - you must have moved it. I put it in the cheese drawer where it belongs.

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Thomathy wrote:I have heard

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I have heard that practice makes perfect...

Bow chicka bow bow.

But seriously folks, if God doesn't want fags, why would he keep making them? He could just stop. And what possible negative consequences are there to creating non-breeding members of an overpopulation anyway? Some of my favourite people are gay - why would anyone have a problem with them, much less an all-knowing whatsit?

And which angel do you suppose is the accountant for where you stick your dick? Honestly, which angel is it? St. Gary? St. Steve? "Uh oh, Gary, it looks like he's going to blow that guy - better start writing out the ticket."

The whole thing is fucking ridiculous.

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HisWillness wrote:Thomathy

HisWillness wrote:

Thomathy wrote:

I have heard that practice makes perfect...

Bow chicka bow bow.

But seriously folks, if God doesn't want fags, why would he keep making them? He could just stop. And what possible negative consequences are there to creating non-breeding members of an overpopulation anyway? Some of my favourite people are gay - why would anyone have a problem with them, much less an all-knowing whatsit?

And which angel do you suppose is the accountant for where you stick your dick? Honestly, which angel is it? St. Gary? St. Steve? "Uh oh, Gary, it looks like he's going to blow that guy - better start writing out the ticket."

The whole thing is fucking ridiculous.

 

I think it's St. Rick, and yeah, it's ridiculous.

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The whole thing is fucking ridiculous.

I think it's St. Rick, and yeah, it's ridiculous.

St. Rick! Of course! What was I thinking?

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