Would you still believe WITHOUT the supernatural?
A question mostly (but not exclusively) aimed at theists. Suppose you come across a system of belief in which it is a value to respect one another, not only in their person but their properties and relatives as well, a belief which tells you to "do to others what you would have them do to you" (G.B. Shaw's version of it, anyways), a belief that encourages you to aid the sick, feed the hungry, assist and care for the week and meager, to love your enemy, believe in private and respect other beliefs, and just about everything good old common sense can tell you about being a good person, both to you and yours as well as others, and suppose this belief tells you about a guy, let's call them Susej, who came up with this rules and practiced them and he was happy ever after BUT, it doesn't tell you stories of Susej performing neat tricks like magically producing bread and fish to feed them poors, miracously healing the sick (even the untreatable) by merely touching them, and walking on water (I don't see the value or use in that, but anyways).
The story's not over, suppose this belief tells you about how Susej continued on preaching this teachings until he died of old age, happy and sorrounded by his loved ones, and did not, say, commited suicide by letting himself be beaten, tortured, and crucified in the hopes his gruesome death would somehow cleanse us from, oh I don't know, some inherit crime even the most virtuous is guilty of by merely being born.
Hell, I'll take it one step further, Imagine (It's easy if you try) that this belief teaches this is the only life you'll ever, ever gonna have, and thus you must make the most of it, for if not, once your time is near, you will spend your last hours in regret over things not enjoyed enough, people not loved enough, a life not lived enough, and you will never, NEVER gonna have a second chance, for we are finite beings, and all that has a beggining must have and end, yet those who lived their lives virtuously, can meet their end with a smile, over a life lived right. Imagine it tells you this instead of telling you that life is pretty much a waiting line at some fancy, very exclusive club, lets call it the Kingdom of Heaven, to which you can gain your admittance if and only if you're hip and cool by their definition and standards, this is, dress the way they tell you, act, do and think (yes, they can check your thoughts too) the way they they you to, because if they reject you, you'll be stuck at the other option, a rundown pub with dim light and no air conditioner, you know the place, the kind that only attracts the bad kind of crowd....
Ok, now that you're done cursing me for making ass fun of your chosen system of belief, let me point out the obvious: It's all true! Strip all the christianity off the bible and you get a simple guy, talking nothing but good old commons sense, but every time I see you rooting for jesus, rarely you stay with the good stuff, you have to throw in the supernatural: "Jesus is the way and the light, for he rose from the dead; Jesus healed the sick; Jesus claimed he could move a mountain by commanding it to, and he promised we could too if we believed in him". But it's not just a christian thing, every theistic religion gives you supernatural "proofs" of their claims (the drunk who got this tablets from Macaroni, the angel, that sandy-ass raider who got a trip heaven, and so forth), So, it is wrong to affirm that your decision to believe is based upon the evidence of miracles? (like it or not, you also demand evidence before believing. We're just more picky in accepting ours).
And so, we come to the point of all this, would you theist adhere to a system of belief which offer no supernatural mumbo jumbo, no miraculous evidence to "back it up", and non of the afterlife kickbacks to lure you into it? in one word, would you be a religious, without the religious bs?
Lenore, The Cute Little Dead Girl. Twice as good as Jesus.