The Zeitgeist Movie Wins at the Artivist Film Festival
Offline The Zeitgeist Movie Wins at the Artivist Film Festival
For those who are interested the Zeitgeist Movie has won the top award from the Artivist Film Festival http://www.artivists.org
Acharya appeared on a panel to answer questions about part 1 in front of a packed house at the Egyptian Theater in Hollywood, CA.
The Zeitgeist Movie has gone "viral" with over 6 million views. And it appears that Acharya is going to come out with "A Companion Guide to the Zeitgeist Movie part 1" in the very near future. I'm guessing a couple of weeks or so.
The "Zeitgeist" part 1 video is largely based on Acharya's work (starts @ 9:45 - 35)(Acharya has nothing to do with parts 2 & 3)
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com
http://www.truthbeknown.com/index.html
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"All the gods of the Greek and Roman mythology represent the attributes of the one supreme divine power - the SUN."
~ Macrobius 400ce "Suns of God" 67-68
http://www.truthbeknown.com/sunsofgod.htm
Great news, everyone should see this important movie. Wish this kind of stuff was shown in the schools. It is in 3 parts; Religion, War, Money.
Helps turn the brain on ....
awesome this means we get more people using bad arguments for mythicism and 9/11 conspiracy morons
I don't think so, mabey I should review the movie again, It didn't come off that way to me, and at least it gets people thinking. Jesus is layered myth.
I don't remembering it supporting 9/11 conspiracy bull, but merely mentioning them ???
yeah, not a perfect movie, but better than fox news .....
LOL! Talk about damning with faint praise! Even other Mythicists regard this movie and "Acharya S" as embarassing jokes. Surely that says something to you?
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Philip K. Dick
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yes , so embarrassing, [to the church] that is why I recommened it, [a blow to authority bull ]
and this one too, posted by RRS,
"The Naked Truth", couldn't find the RRS link . but here's the movie, ..... get well [ world ]
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8251447278663885234&q=%22The+Naked+Truth%22&total=313&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
...this is also interesting ,RELIGIOUS ART, Santa Claus ?
The Pharmacratic Inquisition , 3.5 hrs broken into 7 segments http://www.gnosticmedia.com/DL.html
--- or full length http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4555365073003895154
here's the 7 min trailer, cool music too .... http://www.archive.org/details.php?identifier=GnosticMedia_Revolve_trailer
some quick reading, The psychedelic secrets of Santa Claus http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/3136.html
http://botit.botany.wisc.edu/toms_fungi/dec99.html
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Occams Raison "Even other Mythicists regard this movie and "Acharya S" as embarassing jokes."
- Actually, that's not accurate. I notice from my own personal experience that the folks who go out of there way to flame or smear Acharya's work have never actually studied it. It's fair to say that one could always find something about any writers work to criticize, fair enough but what these folks do is especially irrational & unreasonable. If you don't like her work or writing style, fair enough but you don't need to smear it do to your own ignorance on Acharya's work.
Dr. Robert Price changed his tune & gave a positive review of "Suns of God" saying:
"I know Acharya has given me many new questions and much to think about. That was true of her first book and equally true of this one. I do not mind acknowledging her as my teacher as well."
Then, Dr. Price went on to write the foreword to Acharya's latest book soon to be released "Who Was Jesus? Fingerprints of The Christ". They've done a radio show together etc, etc.
Earl Doherty has a positive review of her work saying:
"We sorely need a new History of Religions School for the 21st century, to apply modern techniques to this important ancient material. Perhaps this book will help bring that about."
Plus, other positive reviews from folks like:
* Dr. W. Sumner Davis - Fellow, Royal Astronomical Society; Member, American Geophysical Union; Affiliate, New York Academy of Science
* David Bergland - Libertarianism in One Lesson, 1984 Libertarian Presidential Candidate
* Loren Ball - NASA-Affiliated Astronomer editor, Christian Biblical Errancy Debate
* Dr. Edwin Krupp - Astronomer and past-director of Los Angeles's Griffith Observatory
And many more...
"All the gods of the Greek and Roman mythology represent the attributes of the one supreme divine power - the SUN."
~ Macrobius 400ce "Suns of God" 67-68
http://www.truthbeknown.com/sunsofgod.htm
After watching Zeitgeist myself, I have pretty much decided it is crap.The opening segment, a crappy music video.
The Jesus Myth stuff, probably the best part of the movie, but there are MANY innacuracies. For example, Sirius never lines up with Orions belt, They do not point to the point on the horizon where the sun rises on December 25th. Many of the Horus / Jesus parallels are inaccurate or even false. The "Southern Cross" is NOT visible in the northern hemisphere, etc. Far better short film covering similar ground: The God Who Wasn't There
The 9/11 stuff, recounts every single conspiracy theory in regards to 9/11, most of which have been thoroughly debunked. Yes there are still important questions in regards to 9/11, but even if we can prove a mass conspiracy, what can we possibly expect to happen to any conspirators behind it? I consider Bush and Cheney to be guilty of far worse crimes (lying us into war, profiteering from the fake war) that are provable, and yet they are getting away with it. Far better short film covering similar ground: Iraq for Sale
The Federal Reserve stuff is a horrible re-edit of a 2 hour film called America: Freedom to Fascism, which is a very good educational film worth watching, though some of the radical political views turned me off. Zeitgeist yanks out some of the punchlines from the movie skipping the more revelatory setups. Far better short film covering similar ground: Money as Debt
Then of course we have to have the goofy "love conquers all" ending. The movie follows the classic brainwashing pattern, take away all of your beliefs and support systems then fill your head with crap at the end.
Dont bother
Dont bother ?
Hey at least the movie is a "fuck the masters" message .... and so I give it a thumbs up ....
I'm for anything that gets people thinking.
Imperfect shit against piles of shit I welcome.
Thanks for the other xlint links,
The Zeitgeist movie is progress .....
"The Jesus Myth stuff, probably the best part of the movie, but there are MANY innacuracies. For example, Sirius never lines up with Orions belt, They do not point to the point on the horizon where the sun rises on December 25th. Many of the Horus / Jesus parallels are inaccurate or even false. The "Southern Cross" is NOT visible in the northern hemisphere, etc. Far better short film covering similar ground: The God Who Wasn't There"
"Sirius never lines up with Orions belt"
- Actually, it does & it takes only like 2 minutes to figure that out with some astronomy software.
"They do not point to the point on the horizon where the sun rises on December 25th."
- Yeah, they kind of do & it's not difficult to varify.
"Many of the Horus / Jesus parallels are inaccurate or even false."
- Do you have some sort of expertise on the study of this?
"The "Southern Cross" is NOT visible in the northern hemisphere,"
- Nobody claimed that in the Zeitgeist movie.
"All the gods of the Greek and Roman mythology represent the attributes of the one supreme divine power - the SUN."
~ Macrobius 400ce "Suns of God" 67-68
http://www.truthbeknown.com/sunsofgod.htm
Zeitgeist is an exceptionally irresponsible film. I'm not so much talking about part 1 - the astrotheological arguments, astrological correlaries, etc. which I'm personally ambivalent about - but the conspiracy mongering on parts 2 & 3 is nothing short of historical negationism. Conspiracy narratives (whether regarding the federal reserve, September 11, Oklahoma City, or the (trying not to laugh) New World Order) are an insult to serious social & historical inquiry & should be denounced by all rational individuals and communities - including this one.
I'm off myspace.com so you can only find me here: http://geoffreymgolia.blogspot.com
The "Southern Cross" is NOT visible in the northern hemisphere
That is true today, but in 1000 BC or so it was actually visible from the northern hemisphere.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crux
The Zeitgeist movie was based on total lies. People, please understand there is a war going on for your souls. This might seem silly to you but it is the truth. There is a global conspiracy against Christianity by the emissaries of Antichrist who are now present and active in the world. Their agenda is to destroy faith. They are not concerned over the facts and the truth. Their only desire is to cause you to disbelieve. I plan to make a series of videos on youtube in the near future refuting the mythicist errors, Zeitgeist and the pagan-parallel theories. I'll let you know when this happens. There is a good series free on youtube right now on "The Search for the Historical Jesus," by J.P. Moreland. Watch it if you want to know the truth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA2d5jOpsH0
There are no atheists in fox holes
Don't bother. Your credibility was shot to hell the moment you started blathering about souls and a conspiracy against one of the most dominant religions in the world.
You are such a silly little man. Have you ever just looked in the mirror after writing something like that and thought, for just a second, that you were really silly? There's a war between invisible monsters and superheroes for your soul, a magic bit of stuff that makes you think and move! And there's a conspiracy, too! All kinds of people all over the world are conspiring against a silly religion, and no one has noticed. Maybe it's because of Antichrist magic! Doesn't that just sound really sillly?
Götter sind für Arten, die sich selbst verraten -- in den Glauben flüchten um sich hinzurichten. Menschen brauchen Götter um sich zu verletzen, um sich zu vernichten -- das sind wir.
I don't blame you two because you are victims. I know its a humbling experience to learn that you have been targeted for deception. It is humbling to learn that there are things taking place that you are not aware of. The apostles of Antichrist have infiltrated the highest levels of the worlds governments. They are shaping people and society and trying to condition us for a one world order and one world religion where Antichrist will sit as absolute ruler. What happened in Commnunist Russia will eventually occur in America as well. This is their agenda. You have been trained to believe these things are silly. They (demons) have virtually all control over your mind. They work through these emisarries of Satan. You must humble yourself and call out to Christ. Only He can help you.
As for the historical Jesus, the problem is that the modern school system doesn't really teach any sense of history -- that people have lived before us; That history can really be known. The emissaries of Antichrist don't want you to know about sacred history -- all the saints that have preceeded us. There are literally millions of martyrs who died for what they knew to be true. And there are thousands of miracle working saints who had direct mystical contact with God. There are a lot of logical, historical and scientific proofs of God and Christ, but my favorite argument is the enormous cloud of saints that have lived. Just read about ancient saints. We even have modern saints. However due to the apostasy and worldiness of our times, the saints are vanishing. All of this -- the Antichrist, the apostasy from faith -- was prophesied in Scripture and Church history by the saints.
Just because God doesn't exist to atheists, does not mean He doesn't exist to others and in reality. Others in history have experienced a higher being (consciousness). Atheists just don't like the idea that there is something about reality they are not aware of. This is very arrogant.
Read "The Latter of Divine Ascent" by Saint John Climacus. He explains the path to enlightnement, the aquisition of virtue, and how to know God.
Constatine Cavarnos has 15 volumes of modern Orthodox Christian saints alone at his website: "The Institute for Byzantine and Modern Greek Studies."
He was a professor of philosophy at Harvard.
In the 1960's three saints: Nicholas, Irene and Raphael began to appear in Greece. They were martyred 300 years before. They appeared to people in daytime and in dreams. Cavarnos went there and saw two of them in aparitions himself in a church where they were known to appear. He is not crazy. He is a respected emeritus professor. I read his volume on saints Nicholas, Irene and Raphael. I also spoke to him on the phone. He really did see them!
Saint Raphael told someone where his buried relics (bones) were. They dug in the place and found his bones and built a church over it. I can go on and on. I just want you to know there is way more to reality then you are aware of. Oh, and the saints said that God exists, and heaven and hell are real. They had a lot to say. You should read the book.
There are no atheists in fox holes
Actually, they started appearing around 500 years after they were martyred. They died in the 1400's.
And keep in mind that America is not the center of the universe. Just because something doesn't happen here, does not mean it doesn't happen in reality or anywhere else. And just because YOU never heard of this, does not mean it's not true. And just because it violates your atheistic worldview, does not mean it didn't happen. It did happen. Atheism is wrong. People are growing more and more arrogant. We wake up every day thinking we are the center of the universe, that we define what truth is. This is a false view of life. Trust me.
There are no atheists in fox holes
I hesitated several times before deciding to post a reply; a similar deliberation takes place when you see a quarter looking up from a fetid gutter. You know you're going to get your hands dirty, but is it worth it? Probably not.
Never a good sign when you start your victory dance before actually substantiating your argument.
You're not, by any chance, an avid reader of David Icke, Bill Cooper or Dolores Canon are you?
...He says as though a massive worldwide conspiracy to rule by supernatural powers is just an aside.
Then you'll have no problem substantiating your... LOL... never mind. I'm not even going to ask.
Science is responsible for you being able to share your 'thoughts' with us now (along with everything else we enjoy in the first world). What has your 'higher being' done?
OK, hold on, let me write it down. Is he there with you now? Can other people see him, too?
Sweet. Doesn't substantiate his arguments one bit. They have to work on their own, not by appeal to authority.
Should be no problem to substantiate then.
And Milhouse's mom says he's cool.
Thank goodness that's cleared up.
“Anywhere else?”
And just because somebody said it, it doesn't mean it is.
Atheism = no belief in gods. That's all it necessarily implies. I can believe in UFOs and the chupacabra and still be an atheist, as long as I don't deify them. I think you're after skeptics in particular.
...He says after making two naked assertions. Whoops, make that three.
Not even to tie your own shoes without a helmet.
I made a typo when I said the Latter of Divine Ascent. I meant to say Ladder of Divine Ascent.
David Ike is part of the satanic global conspiracy. He's either a direct agent or being used by them. He believes the Illuminati (shadow government) is receiving their orders from the reptilians. What he calls reptilians I call demons. I don't agree with him on most things. I think he goes too far. And he's totally satanic. But I do agree with him that there is a shadow government and secret societies. Ultimately God is in control of everything. The devil can't do anything that God doesn't allow. I didn't read your full response because I just came back to correct my typo. But I caught the part on David Ike.
There are no atheists in fox holes
What about Cooper? He's a decorated sailor -- surely he has nothing to gain by lying? Or Dolores Canon? She accessed the knowledge of Nostradamus directly, bypassing messy interpretation, by using spirit mediums in a hypnotic state: universally recognized as the state most suited to discovering incontrovertible facts about the future.
Obviously, we have corroborating evidence that the government is a shell harboring evil entities engaged in a massive worldwide conspiracy; don't you think this could be a matter of semantics?
He said there'd be scoffers who disagree, and you do. He's right again, as usual.
Heh.
Euthymius, you are so silly! It's like you almost make sense and then I read more carefully and you're still a silly little man talking nonsense.
Götter sind für Arten, die sich selbst verraten -- in den Glauben flüchten um sich hinzurichten. Menschen brauchen Götter um sich zu verletzen, um sich zu vernichten -- das sind wir.
Does it bother Mythicists to see the idea Jesus never existed associated with this Zeitgeist garbage? It certainly doesn't help Mythicism's credibility to have it associated with this tin-foil hat wearing, moonbat nonsense. And the presentation of Mythicism in Part One of this hilariously bad movie makes The God Who Wasn't There look like a Ken Burns documentary.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Philip K. Dick
Atheists need to be more critical and discerning toward things like Zeigeist. They buy into this type of nonsense without any sense of discernment or appreciation for truth and facts. The claims in Zeitgeist are totally bogus. Christian scholars refuted those arguments at the beginning of the 19th century. Either the creator(s) of Zeitgeist were ignorant of this fact, or they just intentionally aimed at misleading nieve and gullible people.
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
The misused phrase, "separation of church & state," is neither in the American Constitution nor in any other codification of American laws. The phrase was only used by Thomas Jefferson in a letter to the Danbury Baptists of Rhode Island, assuring them that the Constitution will not allow the Federal Government to censure public expression of their Christian beliefs.
AGAINST ATHEISM/IGNORANCE
ORTHODOX CHRISTIANITY
www.archangelsbooks.com
http://www.sjkp.org/
www.sainthermanpress.com
http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/ibmgs/
CHURCH FATHERS
Ante-Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (38 volumes)
CHURCH HISTORY
The Christian Tradition (five volumes), by Jaroslav Pelikan (he received 42 honorary doctorates, with is earned academic one)
Orthodox Apologetic Theology, by Andreyev
EXISTANCE OF GOD
http://www.christiancadre.org/topics/cosarg.html
http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billcraig/menus/articles.html
http://www.ciltpp.com/tap_deba.htm
BOOKS
http://www.apologeticsinfo.org/bibliographies/existanceofgod.html
HISTORICAL JESUS
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=5C3ED050A38A301B
http://www.christiancadre.org/topics/historicaljesus.html
http://www.bede.org.uk/jesusindex.htm
http://www.tektonics.org/
www.garyhabermas.com
BOOKS
The Historical Reliability of the Gospels, by Blomberg
The Historical Jesus, by Habermas
MORE BOOKS
http://www.apologeticsinfo.org/bibliographies/jesusisnomyth.html
CHRIST IS RISEN
http://www.risenjesus.com/index.php
http://www.christiancadre.org/topics/resurrection.html
www.garyhabermas.com
BOOKS
The Case For the Resurrection of Jesus, by Habermas and Licona
Assessing the New Testament Evidence for the Historicity of the Resurrection of Jesus, by Craig
The Historical Jesus, by Habermas
CHRIST IS GOD
http://www.deityofchrist.com/
BOOKS
Jesus as God: The New Testament Use of Theos in Reference to Jesus, by Harris
On the Incarnation, by Athanasius
PAGAN PARALLEL THEORY REFUTED
http://www.christiancadre.org/topics/historicaljesus.html
http://www.jesuspolice.com/detail_review_section.php?id=59
http://www.frontline-apologetics.com/mystery_religions_early_christianity.htm
BOOKS
Myth Became Fact (essay), by Lewis
The Gospel and the Greeks, by Nash
Jesus and Christian Origins Outside the New Testament, by Bruce
The Case for the Real Jesus, edited by Strobel
JESUS IS MESSIAH
BOOKS
The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah, by Edersheim
Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus (4 volumes), by Brown
RESURRECTION DEBATE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c47Zd2AyeCg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrS5lRLi0uI
APOLOGETICS
The Baker Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetics, by Geisler.
EVOLUTION DEBUNKED
www.reasons.org
www.intelligentdesign.org
www.creationevidence.org
www.drdino.com
www.icr.org
There are no atheists in fox holes