Jesus' Second Coming

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Jesus and his followers claim many times in the Bible that he will supposedly be back within the lifetimes of his contemporaries.

MATT. 10:23. ?. . . for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have goneover the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.?

MATT. 16:28. ?Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.?

MARK 9:1. ?And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.?

MARK 13:30. ?Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.?

LUKE 9:27. ?But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.?

These passages clearly show that Jesus? coming in power and glory to judge the quick and the dead was to take place in the lifetime of persons living then. Yet they have all died and the kingdom has never arrived. The following is an additional list, the ones with more "*" show they have the most impact.

** MATT. 4:17. ?. . . Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.?

** MATT. 10:7. ?. . . The kingdom of heaven is at hand.?

*** MATT. 10:23. ?But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.?

*** MATT. 16:28, MARK 9:1, and LUKE 9:27. ?There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.?

MATT. 23:39. ?For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.?

** MARK 1:15. ?. . . The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.?

*** MARK 9:1. ?. . . Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.?

*** MARK 13:29?30. ?So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.?

*** LUKE 9:26?27. ?. . . when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father?s, and of the holy angels. But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.?

*** LUKE 21:31?32. ?So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.?

* JOHN 14:3. ?And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.?

* JOHN 14:18. ?I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.?

* JOHN 14:28. ?Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. . . .?

* JOHN 16:22. ?And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, . . .?

* ACTS 1:11. ?. . . this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.?

** 1 COR. 7:29. ?But this I say, brethren, the time is short. . . .?

** PHIL. 4:5. ?. . . The Lord is at hand.?

* COL. 3:4. ?When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.?

** 2 THESS. 2:2. ?. . . as that the day of Christ is at hand.?

** HEB. 9:28. ?. . . and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.?

** HEB. 10:37. ?For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.?

** JAMES 5:7?9. ?Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord . . . Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh . . . behold, the judge standeth before the door.?

** 1 PET. 4:7. ?But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.?

* 1 JOHN 3:2. ?. . . but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.?

** REV. 1:1. ?The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass. . . .?

** REV. 3:11. ?Behold, I come quickly. . . .?

** REV. 22:7, 12. ?Behold, I come quickly. . . .?

** REV. 22:20. He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. . . .?

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2 Peter Chapter 3

3:1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:

3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.


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So Jesus either was lying or he was mistaken. Or, most likely, he never really existed.


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Um, not once does Jesus say"I'll be back in a few days".

He specifically said, he would return within the lifetimes of his contemporaries. He states, "for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have goneover the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.?

That's pretty straight forward about him returning within the lifetime of those who follow him.

" MATT. 16:28, MARK 9:1, and LUKE 9:27. ?There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.?

These destroy the whole "thousand years to one day" argument. He specifically is talking to his followers and contemporaries that shall not die until he returned. You're going to have a hard time proving that there are two thousand year old apostles walking around.

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There are Christians who propose that the fulfillment of the "there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom" had been realized when the author of the book of Revelation (John allegedly), had witnessed a vision of "the Son of man coming in his kingdom" as narrated in the book of Revelation. Purportedly, John had not "taste death" before seeing the "Son of man coming in his kingdom" and thus belongs to the "generation" that is supposed to "not pass". Although I do not see anything in the passage and its context suggesting that Jesus meant this within-his-listeners'-liftetime-witnessing-of-parousia to be actualized in a visionary nature let alone being seen by a single person only. However, adherents of this view defends by insisting that Jesus' is known for his style of being ambiguous (as there are instances where his disciples found themselves failing to understand what Jesus meant on some of the teachings he spoke) and that there could be other people who have had similar visionary experience as that of John.

Use soft words and hard arguments.