Jonathan Writes to BE
Jonathan wrote to me on my Myspace account and I responded.
Hey man great profile, I know those arguments you have against proof for jesus will come in handy.
You can check out the Rational Response Squad's homepage and message boards as well. There is lots of very useful information there. I also have quite a bit of information that would come in handy, especially in cases like those you list below.
Maybe you can help me out with this problem. Everytime I confront my christian friends with the barbaric passages in the Old testament, I get shit like " everything changed when jesus came", as if jesus came and told everyone to stop obeying the OT.
That's called lying. The Christian who tells you this is either quoting dogma and never read the Bible themselves, or chooses to ignore the facts.
You can go HERE for more information about this subject, but here is a quick review:
- "What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminsh from it" (Deut. 12:32)
- "Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar" (Prov. 30:6).
- And we can't forget the most chilling one from Rev. 22:18-19, "If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things that are written in this book."
Jesus himself states:
- "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments and shall teach men so, he shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven...." (Matt. 5:17-19)
- "It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fall" (Luke 16:17)
- "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: all therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do" (Matt. 23:2-3, John 7:19, Mark 1:44)
So far, my only defense has been for them to refer to Matthew 5:17 and 5:18, where he states he has come to to change the Law. Have you encountered this before, and if so, what was your defense?
What I have listed above. And remind them that there is not ONE passage given by the authorities in all this (Jesus and God - since they both claim to be God...) that says the Old Testament is forfiet. They do, however, make it very clear that the whole Bible is to be taken as it is, and nothing is to be ignored.
People just don't like what the Bible says and try to change it to fit their beliefs. You have to keep at them to make sure they don't do that.
Assuming everything did change when jesus came, that still poses a moral problem for god. He killed a bunch of people and encouraged barbaric acts, and then suddenly decides to change? Isn't that like Hitler having a change of heart?
Affirmative. In fact, Christians want to brush it all under a rug as if it didn't happen, but God must still be made accountable for his actions. Just because he's supposedly some higher being that doesn't give him any moral rights above us.
No matter Christians say, God still commited acts of attrocity and should be made accountable for them. After all, this is his supposed book, and his supposed moral code. What sort of example is he setting for the rest of his "children?"