How many did God kill vs Satan?
Offline How many people did God kill in the Bible?
It's impossible to say for sure, but plenty. How many did God drown in the flood or burn to death in Sodom and Gomorrah? How many first-born Egyptians did he kill? There's just no way to count them all. This list doesn't include those figures.
| SAB, Brick Testament | Number Killed | Cumulative Total | |
|---|---|---|---|
| Lot's wife for looking back | Gen.19:26, BT | 1 | 1 |
| Er who was "wicked in the sight of the Lord" | Gen.38:7, BT | 1 | 2 |
| Onan for spilling his seed | Gen.38:10, BT | 1 | 3 |
| For dancing naked around Aaron's golden calf | Ex.32:27-28, 35, BT | 3000 | 3003 |
| Aaron's sons for offering strange fire before the Lord | Lev.10:1-3, Num.3:4, 26:61, BT | 2 | 3005 |
| A blasphemer | Lev.24:10-23, BT | 1 | 3006 |
| A man who picked up sticks on the Sabbath | Num.15:32-36, BT | 1 | 3007 |
| Korah, Dathan, and Abiram (and their families) | Num.16:27, BT | 12+ | 3019+ |
| Burned to death for offering incense | Num.16:35, 26:10, BT | 250 | 3269+ |
| For complaining | Num.16:49, BT | 14,700 | 17,969+ |
| For "committing whoredom with the daughters of Moab" | Num.25:9, BT | 24,000 | 41,969+ |
| Midianite massacre (32,000 virgins were kept alive) | Num.31:1-35, BT | 90,000+ | 131,969+ |
| God tells Joshua to stoned to death Achan (and his family) for taking the accursed thing. | Joshua 7:10-12, 24-26, BT | 5+ | 131,974+ |
| God tells Joshua to attack Ai and do what he did to Jericho (kill everyone). | Joshua 8:1-25, BT | 12,000 | 143,974+ |
| God delivered Canaanites and Perizzites | Judges 1:4, BT | 10,000 | 153,974+ |
| Ehud delivers a message from God: a knife into the king's belly | Jg.3:15-22, BT | 1 | 153,975+ |
| God delivered Moabites | Jg.3:28-29, BT | 10,000 | 163,975+ |
| God forces Midianite soldiers to kill each other. | Jg.7:2-22, 8:10, BT | 120,000 | 283,975+ |
| The Spirit of the Lord comes on Samson | Jg.14:19, BT | 30 | 284,005+ |
| The Spirit of the Lord comes mightily on Samson | Jg.15:14-15, BT | 1000 | 285,005+ |
| Samson's God-assisted act of terrorism | Jg.16:27-30, BT | 3000 | 288,005+ |
| "The Lord smote Benjamin" | Jg.20:35-37, BT | 25,100 | 313,105+ |
| More Benjamites | Jg.20:44-46 | 25,000 | 338,105+ |
| For looking into the ark of the Lord | 1 Sam.6:19 | 50,070 | 388,175+ |
| God delivered Philistines | 1 Sam.14:12 | 20 | 388,195+ |
| Samuel (at God's command) hacks Agag to death | 1 Sam.15:32-33 | 1 | 388,196+ |
| "The Lord smote Nabal." | 1 Sam.25:38 | 1 | 388,197+ |
| Uzzah for trying to keep the ark from falling | 2 Sam.6:6-7, 1 Chr.13:9-10 | 1 | 388,198+ |
| David and Bathsheba's baby boy | 2 Sam.12:14-18 | 1 | 388,199+ |
| Seven sons of Saul hung up before the Lord | 2 Sam.21:6-9 | 7 | 388,206+ |
| From plague as punishment for David's census (men only; probably 200,000 if including women and children) | 2 Sam.24:13, 1 Chr.21:7 | 70,000+ | 458,206+ |
| A prophet for believing another prophet's lie | 1 Kg.13:1-24 | 1 | 458,207+ |
| God delivers the Syrians into the Israelites' hands | 1 Kg.20:28-29 | 100,000 | 558,207+ |
| God makes a wall fall on Syrian soldiers | 1 Kg.20:30 | 27,000 | 585,207+ |
| God sent a lion to eat a man for not killing a prophet | 1 Kg.20:35-36 | 1 | 585,208+ |
| Ahaziah is killed for talking to the wrong god. | 2 Kg.1:2-4, 17, 2 Chr.22:7-9 | 1 | 585,209+ |
| Burned to death by God | 2 Kg.1:9-12 | 102 | 585,311+ |
| God sends two bears to kill children for making fun of Elisha's bald head | 2 Kg.2:23-24 | 42 | 585,343+ |
| Trampled to death for disbelieving Elijah | 2 Kg.7:17-20 | 1 | 585,344+ |
| Jezebel | 2 Kg.9:33-37 | 1 | 585,355+ |
| God sent lions to kill "some" foreigners | 2 Kg.17:25-26 | 3+ | 585,358+ |
| Sleeping Assyrian soldiers | 2 Kg.19:35, 2 Chr.32:21, Is.37:36 | 185,000 | 770,358+ |
| Saul | 1 Chr.10:14 | 1 | 770,359+ |
| God delivers Israel into the hands of Judah | 2 Chr.13:15-17 | 500,000 | 1,270,359+ |
| Jeroboam | 2 Chr.13:20 | 1 | 1,270,360+ |
| "The Lord smote the Ethiopians." | 2 Chr.14:9-14 | 1,000,000 | 2,270,360+ |
| God kills Jehoram by making his bowels fall out | 2 Chr.21:14-19 | 1 | 2,270,361+ |
| Ezekiel's wife | Ezek.24:15-18 | 1 | 2,270,362+ |
| Ananias and Sapphira | Acts 5:1-10 | 2 | 2,270,364+ |
| Herod | Acts 12:23, BT | 1 | 2,270,365+ |
But how does this compare with Satan? How many did he kill in the Bible?
Well SAB can only find ten, and even these he shares with God, since God allowed him to do it as a part of a bet. Steve's talking about the seven sons and three daughters of Job.
There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job ... And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters.
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And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? Then Satan answered the LORD ... put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face. And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.
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And there was a day when his sons and his daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house...And, behold, there came a great wind from the wilderness, and smote the four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young men, and they are dead; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee. -- Job 1:1-19
So it seems that both Satan and God share the blame (or the credit) for these killings. If so, then the tally would be:
Source/Credit: Steve Wells Skeptics Annotated Bible Check him out: www.skepticsannotatedbible.com
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And heck, that's JUST in scripture. If god was real, TECHNICALLY he's killed every person that EVER lived, and I can't even think of the mindbogglingly huge numbers on that!
GlamourKat makes a good point.
If god created man, and if man is meant to die and go to heaven, then technically god kills everyone!
hahahah.....
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the only quirk I have with this post is that it can be interpreted as satan existing and being a good guy wich would make brian a satan worshipper.. Brian, are you slaughtering goats and virgins whilst drinking their blood?
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No but I'm subliminally making a point to people who will visit this site as a result of the Blasphemy Challenge, who might be wondering why an atheist would ever commit himself to hell if there actually was one.
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Didn't you forget every single person on Earth at the time of the great flood, sans Noah and his family?
Shit. See you mentioned this. Still, had to be in the millions at least....
Science works whether you believe in it or not.
Look also at the number of people God has given life to as opposed to Satan. To be honest, I'd rather be created and *then* die, instead of never existing at all.
Besides, Christians believe that God has conquered death and has even better things in store in the next life, so if you believe he exists (I'm assuming you're saying he does as you accuse him of 'smiting' people), then there is nothing to fear about this life coming to an end (providing you haven't placed all of your values in it).
So God just creates problems only to solve them? He gives man life and then takes it away when he wants to?
So if I say that the tooth fairy imprisoned other fairies, I am affirming that the tooth fairy exists? (Circular reasoning)
"The issue is always the same - the government or the market. There is no third solution." - Mises
That sounds a little biased, since you already exist. Find me one non-existent person who minds not existing.
Okay. Do you believe it should be immoral to kill a Christian? You'd be doing them a favor, after all. (Start countdown until some dumbass thinks I'm endorsing killing Christians here...)
I believe you're not familiar with the debate tactic of assuming the other side's position to be true for the purposes of discussion, even if you don't believe that it is, in order to point out a flaw or contradiction inherent to that position. Sapient doesn't believe God killed those people, and it's probably safe to say he doesn't believe most of those victims ever existed in the first place.
Do you fear your life coming to an end, then?
Götter sind für Arten, die sich selbst verraten -- in den Glauben flüchten um sich hinzurichten. Menschen brauchen Götter um sich zu verletzen, um sich zu vernichten -- das sind wir.
Why do atheists get all gooshy and emotional about people dieing or being killed? First off you begin with the assumption that it's bad to die. And then you conclude that if God causes people to die then God must be bad. The problem with this is that anything having to do with good or bad can be nothing but oppinion.
Now for me, my concept of good and bad as a Christian is based on rights. God took away my right to kill therefore it's bad for me to kill. God didn't take away His own right to kill, LoL. Therefore there's nothing wrong with God killing people.
My view of the afterlife is based on the Book of Revelations in the Bible:
1. we all die, some are killed - there's nothing wrong with this and nothing to worry about. Some expect hell but there will be no hell at this point.
2. We will all come back to life for judgement.
3. Those who are Christians will continue to live on with God.
4. Those who aren't Christians will be throwin into the pit of fire where they die. Revelations calls this the second death. They remain dead, nothing wrong with that.
Realy though I would like an atheists who realy believes it's bad to die to give a logical(not emotional) reason for believing this.
If I tell people the Gospel, it's not because I care about whether or not they go to heaven or hell. I do it because I honestly believe that this is God's will and purpose for my life... weeeeeeeee!!!
Is it just me or...does it seem that God took a prozac before jumping into the NT. None of these deaths occur in that portion. Why the sudden case of bi-polar disorder?
Following those events...
O.T.: God gets bored and makes humanity, promptly loses it over a piece of produce and begins reign of fear and terror by inducing psychological harm to the populace. He begins by simultaneously mixing miracles and false hopes with destruction and murder by such horrible methods as making a man's "Bowels fall out" and commanding a two bear team to consume a town's fourty-two children for making fun of a bald man. The end result being an almost Stockholm Syndrome-like mass effect amongst the populace. At the time, according to the bible itself his presense could be physical or audible in nature, to one or more witnesses.
N.T.: God, quickly tiring of his new toy, sticks with the tried and true false hope shtick, makes a few promises of everlasting awesomeness and blahblah, and sends his PR guy/son to sort us all out and build the bridges (and towns, cities, armies, families, and even souls) he burned in the O.T. Unlike the O.T. however, God has not been seen or heard from since.
Even if any of it made enough sense for me to deem any of this possible, I still don't see why people who believe what this book says don't see God sauntering off to some other corner of existance as a good thing.
Come on. Less bowels falling out all over. I think everyone here can admit that's a positive no matter which side of the fence you're on.
Oh! Almost forgot. My reason(s) for why it's bad to die....The experience is less than desirable.
First off, there are no guarantees, and if you count the bible as defining proof of the afterlife, we have some talking to do about what real empirical evidence is. This lack of guarantees leads to a feeling of insecurity, terror and fear of the unknown. A rather primitive response.
Second, in case you haven't noticed, there's a good chance that shit's going to hurt like hell. The odds of a painless, sudden death against the odds of dying in any of the other billion ways is slim. Don't think your going out comfy.
Third, hypothetically, if you are correct about the existance of god, and we'll even go two steps further, that it's the Christian god and the only one to exist, then there is also a good chance one could end up in Hell. That place doesn't exactly invoke images of joy and happiness.
The Hell factor revolves around time of death, how you died, what you were doing when you died, where you were when you died, various levels of sin, your (non)belief in God, God's views on your people, God's opinion of your life (actions and inactions), God's current mood, whether or not Hell exists, and whether or not God exists.
Given the current situation where we are unable to entirely prove the (non)existance of God one way or another to any degree of universal acceptance, this leads once again to the possible experience of fear, terror and insecurity in a portion of the dying populace.
Those are my reasons for why experiencing the end-stages of dying is shitty. I will concede however that acutally being dead probably isn't that bad. Actually, it's probably a lot like standing around the watercooler in an office building. Kinda boring.
If you, or someone that you know is suffering from stockholm syndrome, get the facts at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome
Have a happy Secularmas!
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Two Points...
One: When I ask Christians why there is evil in this world, most reply "Because God gave us Free Will", but they also believe God has set plan and is all-knowing, if he is all knowing then he knows what all our choices are (and they are set for us) then how do we really have free will?
Two: a quote... "If I were not an atheist, I would believe in a God who would choose to save people on the basis of the totality of their lives and not the pattern of their words. I think he would prefer an honest and righteous atheist to a TV preacher whose every word is God, God, God, and whose every deed is foul, foul, foul."-Isaac Asimov
Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear. - Thomas Jefferson
You do have to keep in mind what the Bible says is the main reason for death: humans brought death into the world (Rom 5:12). Humanity killed us all. God/Jesus offers you new life, for FREE, he died once for all and is the only one who can save us (Rom 5:17-18). Even if God killed so or so many, he's the one who gave life in the first place, he has the full rights to take it. But he doesn't, he wants us all to live and made it possible by dying himself.
Ok ,so here are my questions. From reading what you have written and what others have posted about your facts here, are we suppose to live forever? It is human nature to die, everyone does, so why blame that on God as if he killed them? If everyone lived forever, there would be no room for all of us, or is that Gods fault for not making the earth big enough? I know of everything you have written on who God has killed, but isn't that his call? If you start something in your life, say a relationship, isn't it your call to end the relationship? (not in killing them, but in the sense you have control) What about abortion? On paper, women have killed about 45 million inocient people, ON PAPER! (not including people who did it at home) Is that Gods fault? Satan is the ruler of this world, so people didn't documment in the bible when someone was murdered or killed. Thats satan right there! These are just questions I have, no disrespect. I just want to see what you believe and your answers to these questions.
There's nothing wrong with abortion. God in the Babble killed actual people, not just fetuses - and look how many miscarriages there are! If God exists, he's the greatest abortionist ever!
Science works whether you believe in it or not.
in genesis, god created adam and eve and told them not to eat the fruit from the tree of life if they do they will die, it was the only law that was layed down, satan was around when god told adam and eve this, so what happens?
satan disguised as a serpant tells them that they will not die,(which means hes calling god a lier) and convinces them to eat it. this means that the devil is the one who is responsible for the fall of man, not god.satan stands against god and will ruin anything god stands for and even twist things to make god look evil in the eyes of man.
the isrealite eventually become gods people and they know what god wants of them and he lays down some laws for them to abide by to seperate them from the other nations, when they done what he wanted he protected them from the other nations by helping them or whatever, when they didnt do what he asked, he warned them that they are straying and if they didnt change he would withdraw his protection.
these are violent times, nations trying to get as much territory as possble so wars were inevitable,to cut a long story short he sets events in motion so that jesus is born and he dies as a ransom sacrafice for our sins.adam was created perfect, jesus was perfect, it was life for life to balance the scales so to speak.
when all this happens, all the heavanly angels are looking on, god could have wiped the devil out after eden, but then the other angels may have questioned if satan was right and they would never know , so gods sovergienty would have been called into question by the angels.
so from eden onwards up to the present day satan is responsible for what is happening to people and the earth, all this death and killing is satans fault. to blame god is one of the devils ploys to turn people against god.
the greek word for satan is diabolos-"slanderer"
this is why god is not popular and is unjustly accused of killing people, satan is the one who cuased and causes death and often uses religion to do his bidding now and in the past
The Greek word for the devil is diabolos (dia-bolos: throwing apart in two parts; splitting in two - note two*). Satan is a Hebrew word with etymology relating to the concept of opposition.
According to the rebellious interpretations, which existed throughout the history of religion, the Devil / Satan refers to human reason and the doubt* it creates. The endless dialogue that we maintain inside our heads; fear; calculations; the illusion of choice - this is Satan / Devil.
If you can't control your mind, you need somebody to blame. You chose what you were taught was Satan, but there are no external creatures - you are your own "heaven" or "hell".
Yes, I can read both ancient Greek and Hebrew.
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*note that doubt implies at least two viewpoints
The real problem here is that all you loser goths have nothing better to do than to find gaps and errors in all the other religions that you don't believe in. If you don't believe in something, that's ok. i don't believe in the spaghettin monster... but i don't go around spending my whole life trying to disprove it just because i don't believe in it. yes... the spaghetti monster... just as absurd as you trying to disprove christianism.... (which i don't believe in by the way)....
Get a life man.. believe what you want to believe and leave everybody else alone... losers...
if you want to put up how many people god killed, then you are assuming it's real... and if it's real, then another part goes along with it.... that life BELONGS to god and he has the right to do with it what he pleases.... and ANOTHER thing goes along with it... that physical life is NOT the end of this world... hence, physical death is not bad. What's really bad is spiritual death.
But no, you inept, angst-filled, want-to-hate-the-whole-world losers don't even care about that. You don't even care if your statements make sense to anybody else. All you care about is that it makes sense to your furtherly stupid goth friends (yes, furtherly stupid)
If you're going to make a point, make it right... shiiit...Then why are you posting? You tell RRS what do to, thus violating your own "leave beliefs alone" policy. Hypocrite.
Why don't they celebrate thanksgiving in England? They should be thankful the puritans left.
And your idiotic post makes a lot of assupmptions (very few if any RRS members are goths for one thing.)
Science works whether you believe in it or not.
"I basically subscribed after I checked out that thread that Sapient posted on expenses and the like. Groceries are one of the most important items, so I'm hoping I'm helping there and I'm hoping I help Sapient break even. If I can help stop him from dipping into the retirement fund, I'll be happy." - The Sarge
See header picture for picture of everyone in a bright environment with white shirts and smiles to blow that notion out of the water. Why do people who seem to be irreligious that have a problem with us, always appear to be shitty thinkers who make bad assumptions, therefore acting as foolish as theists themselves?
"I basically subscribed after I checked out that thread that Sapient posted on expenses and the like. Groceries are one of the most important items, so I'm hoping I'm helping there and I'm hoping I help Sapient break even. If I can help stop him from dipping into the retirement fund, I'll be happy." - The Sarge
"Admittedly, once one decides in one’s own mind to reject the fallacy of God, the world indeed becomes a scary and lonely place, but one of truth not delusion."
My guess would be half (AT LEAST!) the people who claim to be freethinkers that have a problem with the RRS are lying about it. Look how many who made that claim were caught at it.
Science works whether you believe in it or not.
I do believe that there is evil exists because of free will, but I don't think that God has a "plan" that we are forced to follow. God can still allow free will and be all-knowing. We still have a choice, even if God already knows what choice we will make.
God knew us before we were ever formed in our mothers womb, so we are never fetesus but people. Have you ever talked with women years later after having an abortion? Majority of them