Noah was black?
I just got into a heated debate in another forum where this religious guy thinks that I am racist because I told him the story of Ham.
Slavery and the Bible
The "just and righteous" Noah (Gen.6:9, 7:1) plants a vineyard, gets drunk, and lies around naked in his tent. His son, Ham, happens to see his father in this condition. When Noah sobers up and hears "what his young son had done unto him" (what did he do besides look at him?), he curses not Ham, who "saw the nakedness of his father," but Ham's son, Canaan. "A servant of servants shall he [Canaan] be unto his brethren." This is a typical case of biblical justice, and is one of many Bible passages that have been used to justify slavery.
And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. ... And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. Gen.9:20-25
He missed my point. I was showing how immoral the bible is but he thinks I am using it to justify slavery.
"You are interjecting your own racism and LIES, into this book you call "bible"
I asked you to show me in the bible where it says that Ham was cursed to be black and you bring in Gen. 9:20-25, WHICH CLEARLY SAYS NO SUCH THING...
It says absolutlely NOTHING about color and you are telling me to put on your own racist googles and assume some bs, someone told you to ASSUME...
The passage you quoted from YOUR BIBLE CLEARLY SAYS: "CURSED BE CAANAN".....not "CUSED BE HAM".
(which I apologized for since I did say it was Ham that was "cursed" because I was typing too fast and didn't catch that).
"Now all you need to do is go back and research and find out that Ham was black (Hamites) (Cushites) (Shemites)(Japethites) can all be esily researched to find out these all all N!#%&*! PEOPLES..
Now who is Caanan? Who are the Caananites? For one they are the ancestors of the Hittites who are CAUCASOID MOUNTAIN DWELLERS, who migrated to what is now the Caucaus mountain area or the Black Sea...They are your Khazars who now pretend to be the seed of Abraham but are not...Yet they control the Middle EAST (Israel) and all of Africa and the mixed seed Arabs are their servants because of the military might bestowed upon them by the United States...
Back to the story..Now if Ham was black, Shem was black, Cush was black, then AS YOU CAN CLEARLY see now what you pretended you couldnt see before, THE CURSE WAS NOT ON HAM...THE CURSE WAS ON CAANAN...which stands to sound reasoning that of everyone else was black, CAANAN WAS CURSED TO BE AN ALBINO...More than likely what a typical n!#%&*! albino looks like today...
Now common sense tells yo from the name that Ham was black, Cush was black as those very terms re used to describe certain tribes of Africans who exist this very day... "
A little help please. I asked why he used the bible to justify things when the bible condones slavery and made Ham's son black. This is what I thought the story meant. Maybe I misinterpreted what it is saying. PUhlease correct me if I am in error.