Could a bible expert...*ahem..rook...ahem* help out here.
here is where you can post, even anonymously..... http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/viewtopic.php?t=2656
"I really don't see how pointing out an obsolete passage from the Bible proves that nobody reads. I will repost my response to your 'dozens' of posts from passages taken out of context and reworded to fit your anti-bible rants.
Ry, the meaning of these scriptures, especially the word slave, is critical to understanding this controversy. For example, in the King James version, the most widely used version in the 1700 and 1800s in America when slavery existed, the word slave was used only once (Jer 2:14), and the word slaves also was used only once (Rev 18:13). Conversely, servant, servants, and other similar words were used almost a thousand times. Therefore, the question “Does the Bible condone slavery” first requires defining the word slave.
"Slavery" in the Bible is actually an ancient form of indentured servitude. Basically, an indentured servant is someone who does services like manual labor or something else in exchange for food and shelter, provided by the master. Slavery is not necessary now as it was then. Times have changed just a little in the two or three thousand years since the Old and New Testament days.
Saying that “God gave guidelines on the treatment of slaves" does not prove that there should be slaves. Slaves WERE a necessary evil which we can definitely live without. The guidelines, when they were used, helped to ease the inhumanity of being a slave. We have rules for war, but that does not make warfare a necessity.
Simply put, life was definitely not as simple as it is today. The Hebrews back then lived "hand-to-mouth". They didn't work for profit, they worked to survive. But an indentured servant was GUARANTEED food and a home, in exchange for doing work. This may have been the most fair and humane option for a family.
It is true that Slavery was an accepted practice in biblical times by many cultures not just Hebrews and later Christians (as well as many cultures thereafter). The greater question is Does God approve of Slavery? Consider Paul in his letter to Philemon about his slave (and brother in Christ) Onesimus. Paul simply put, did not promote slavery.
The argument that the bible condones and promotes slavery has been used before. It was used by people of the seceded south to justify their use of slaves. Now I’m sure you wouldn’t want to use the same argument that the bible condones slavery as these bigots right Ry?
The truth is that in Christianity, God created all humans as equal; none is superior to another.
It’s funny you say that “There are thousands of religions there is only one atheism”. The truth is that many atheists hold many variations on their beliefs just as many monotheistic religions also do. Islam, Judaism and Christianity all worship the same God but obviously there are many differences to their religions. The same is true among atheists. They don’t all believe exactly the same as you state. For example there are some that believe in evolution where as others hold other beliefs that involve extra terrestrials as well as other variations on human origins.
Regarding homosexuality in the bible your misquotes didn’t help your argument. 1 Timothy verses 9-10 say this:
“Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine.”
This in no way makes mention to homosexuality.
Again misquoting the bible in another one of your quotes.
1 Corinthians versus 6-10 says the following:
“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”
By replacing certain words with homosexual it doesn’t help your argument.
Even if the bible did not approve of homosexuality, which I believe is false, it doesn’t state anywhere that we should hate these people. Everyone deserves God’s love according to the bible and ‘gay-bashing’, hating or treating a homosexual less than human is NEVER made mention of in the bible.
Finally regarding the ‘Divine Right of Kings’;
In the Epistle to the Romans, chapter 13, Paul wrote that earthly rulers, even though they may not be Christians, have been appointed by God to their places of power for the purpose of punishing evildoers. Some Biblical scholars believe that Paul was writing, in part, to reassure the Roman authorities who ruled his world that the Christian movement was not subversive. This simply means that Paul didn’t want to make the Christian movement seem like it was going to overthrow the Government. The difficulty posed for later Christians is that the New Testament contained no explicit plan for the government of a mostly Christian society. This is why you won't find that we should have a Republic and vote and that Kings are just ordinary men. It assumed that Christians would always be a minority in a pagan world, and its political counsel was limited mostly to advising members to obey the law and stay out of the way of pagan government. In the western world it came to be associated with Roman Catholicism and other Christian faiths in the Reformation period. The notion of divine right of kings was certainly in existence in the medieval period, however it was in the early modern era, under the ancient régime, that the notion became extensively used as a primarily political mechanism, i.e. for increasing the power of kings within centralized monarchies relative to their nobles and subjects. It was given its most comprehensive formulations by the French bishop Bossuet and King James I of England, but it owes much to the earlier writings of Augustine of Hippo and Paul of Tarsus. Again, the twisting of the Bible for personal and political gain. Happened then, happens now.
Please understand that the essence of Christianity is forgivness and love. Most importantly remember that some things were put in the Bible to show us how NOT to act and some things were put in the Bible to show us how we SHOULD act. With each are also shown consequences and rewards, be it negative or positive. I hope this helps clear things up for you."