We're ready to help sue Creation Science Evangelism Ministries
Offline YOUTUBE REMOVES RATIONAL RESPONSE SQUAD ACCOUNT! (9-13-07)
YOUTUBE RETURNS RATIONAL RESPONDERS ACCOUNT (9-17-07)
Download the latest RRS (banned) video and post it on your account on any site anywhere.
We wont even pretend later that we still own the copyright!
Link your copy of the above video to this video on youtube!
"Someone" (the lawyers will have to figure it out) flagged our video exposing the criminal actions of the Creation Science Evangelism Ministry, and had our account pulled. Unlike false copyright complaints, we're unsure currently how we can have this rectified at the youtube level. We may in fact decide to stay off youtube and do as Gisburne has done, having you repost thousands of our videos over and over.
Our suggestion for right this minute is to upload as many videos as you can all over the internet exposing the illegal activity that the CSE Ministry has currently been engaging in. They want to silence critics, that is clear, to ensure that this doesn't happen you must become more critical of them than you ever have. DO SOMETHING!
If you don't have a video serving that purpose merely uploading a video critiquing Kent Hovind would be good enough. If you feel like acting as childish as "they"do, feel free to flag their videos like it's your business all day long. We don't condone restricting free speech, but since nobody at youtube seems to care about these egregious and vile actions it's up to us to do anything we can to get youtubes attention. (this account is the main account causing the problems - users are reporting that they are flagging these videos left and right). That they would allow such activity after dozens of warnings from youtube members is extremely horrible mismanagement at best. There are dozens of videos and thousands of comments from angry youtube members who are pissed off that it takes 1 minute for someone to pull down a video if they're willing to claim ownership but it takes 14 days, tons of paperwork, and lawyers to reinstate what is rightfully ours. We are pissed. The Creation Science Ministries picked the wrong people to fuck with.
You have just as much right to CSE material as they do, as they've made their videos public domain. They changed their website recently to reflect a change that will never hold up in a court of law. You can't make videos public domain, and then rescind the copyright. Not only have there been countless fraudulent DMCA take down notices, but tracks have been covered with more illegal activity (by attempting to rescind free copyright usage).
Please keep in mind, Sapient wrote the above after being awake for 46 hours spending almost all of that time trying to defend all youtube atheists, only to have his own account removed. Please consider a paypal donation to help offset what will be lost.
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Creation Science Evangelism has submitted many copyright violations on youtube in the past few days. The owner of the ministries is Kent Hovind who over the last 20 years has been seen as a public liar. He has held many lectures where he spends hours making people more ignorant as to how evolution works. He now sits in a jail cell for having refused to pay $840,000 in taxes. His defense the whole time was that his money belonged to God and nobody else.
He has stated that none of his material is copyrighted, and so far all of the instances of videos that have been pulled would have fallen within the boundaries of fair use.
Here is why this is important Earlier this year the famous "psychic" Uri Geller submitted a false DMCA request takedown notice to have a video of mine removed which included about 8 seconds of material (that ironically painted URI in a positive light). When he submitted this notice, he had to sign off stating that he did in fact own the rights to the video, which he did not. What did I do? The same thing I am going to help many others do.
If you had a video pulled from youtube because of Creation Science Evangelism Ministries please make sure to post information about what happened IN THIS THREAD ON OUR SITE. I will try to help you obtain a lawyer.
Kent Hovinds people didn't learn enough from his jail sentence. Is Eric Hovind the next to spend time behind bars? Here is some more background information, behind the scenes footage and tapes.
Kents in jail, so Eric takes over.
POST YOUR "VIDEO PULLED BY CREATION SCIENCE EVANGELISM" STORIES HERE, so we can avoid the mistakes of Geller and peg these liars for every single infraction instead of just one!
The music video was banned for false copyright by the dishonest fucks at Creation Science Evangelism (see you in court)... here is Eddy performing it live....
Download and reupload you're a fucktard aren't ya Kent.
PASS IT ON NOW, PASS IT ON NOW, PASS IT ON NOW
I animated that Tribute to Kent Hovind toon. I think the Hovinds should be taken down, because it took a lot of hard work to make that cartoon.
In the vastness of astronomical space, that which seems impossible might very well be inevitable.
Thanks Chris for being here. I spoke to Eddy Goombah tonight who wants to be involved and help anyway possible. In solidarity with you I have posted your video at the end of my most recent video. I'm looking forward to seeing if the feds take care of this instead of us having to take this to civil court. Civil court is boring, I don't think the Hovinds have enough money to cover our lawyers fees when they lose, and I don't want a public apology video from them, which is the likely punishment for losing (precedent: Crook case). Anyone who had a video removed should just contact the feds who are familiar with the Hovind crime ring, and see if they can help.
... more developments to come... Operation Spread Eagle underway.
"I basically subscribed after I checked out that thread that Sapient posted on expenses and the like. Groceries are one of the most important items, so I'm hoping I'm helping there and I'm hoping I help Sapient break even. If I can help stop him from dipping into the retirement fund, I'll be happy." - The Sarge
Would those whose videos got yanked be willing to make them available? If I could download them, I'll post them under my account.
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hey brian, couldnt the reason why the song about hovind getting pulled is because there's actual photos of hovind at the end? they're portraits so they probably do own the rights to those...
but has anyone seen the video cse posted about their copyright policy from 2005? sounds like their footing is their shit needs to be unedited.
well i guess i understand from the 2nd video up there about the copyright policy, sounds like they changed their claim since hovind said in a video 'they arento copyrighted' and now they're claiming there are terms to there being no copyright, which would then contradict their initial claim when hovind said there was no copyright..
Sapient! I hope you decide to fight your suspension on you tube. Don't give in to those cowardly fucks. Did they give a reason for your suspension? What is your contact with you tube officials?
I see no way to fight it at youtube level. It was pulled due to flagging or youtube choice to remove due to content. Youtube has a long set of rules that almost all of us violate on a daily basis. The problem is selective enforcement. Apparently the only way to get youtube to listen is to flag videos or submit fraudulent copyright claims. So will you do what youtube has taught you is the only action that works? Flag all of CSE ministry videos? It's amazing that we are huge proponents of free speech yet the only way to ensure that the community at large has free speech is to restrict the free speech of one. I guess two wrongs can make a right... on youtube.
This is offensive, indecent, and objectionable to me...
FLAG IT! It's an offensive insult to your intellect and to the year 2007.
This sort of attempt at rewriting history, which is illegal... you're not allowed to rescind copyright after giving it to the public domain is obscene to me...
P.S...
"I basically subscribed after I checked out that thread that Sapient posted on expenses and the like. Groceries are one of the most important items, so I'm hoping I'm helping there and I'm hoping I help Sapient break even. If I can help stop him from dipping into the retirement fund, I'll be happy." - The Sarge
LOL, now they edited that out, too!
Why waste time? You can get rid of all their stuff by visiting this website!
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Just saw a video posted yesterday from CSEministry claiming that all their material was copyrighted on 1 January 2005 see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPer-FjPJJE
I think this a clear fabrication, does this add or subtract from the claim / Operation SpreadEagle?
Oh, and as usual they have disabled adding comments!
woops, sorry didn't see the above, already been linked too!
from YouTube terms Terms of Use page
www.youtube.com/t/terms
Section 6. Your User Submissions and Conduct
Half way through part C.
You also hereby grant each user of the YouTube Website a non-exclusive license to access your User Submissions through the Website, and to use, reproduce, distribute, display and perform such User Submissions as permitted through the functionality of the Website and under these Terms of Service. The above licenses granted by you in User Videos terminate within a commercially reasonable time after you remove or delete your User Videos from the YouTube Service. You understand and agree, however, that YouTube may retain, but not display, distribute, or perform, server copies of User Submissions that have been removed or deleted. The above licenses granted by you in User Comments are perpetual and irrevocable.
As I understand this, it is saying by CSEministry posting Kent Hovind videos they/it is allowing other users to reporoduce these videos as long as they are reporoduced on YouTube, which the banned videos were. Am I right?
Thanks I have written my letter, and made a video that will be up soon to allow reposting....
Dear YouTube,
This group is currently submitting false DMCA requests on youtube, people are talking with lawyers. I made a video exposing this group (CSEministry) led by a man who sits in prison right now for evading $840,000 in taxes. He is a criminal!! You have been allowing this grave injustice to happen, forcing dozens of people to create individual lawsuits. I made a video standing up to these people and working to do the thing that you should be doing, protecting you and us from abuse of DMCA. I have been removed as a result. My video even included a phone call to a federal prosecutor right at the beginning. I had to call her because your listed phone number is voicemail and rational and intelligent emails exposing this effort to silence critics have gone unnoticed. When you receive a take down notice for a video speaking poorly of creation science from "Creation Science Evangelism Ministries" aren't you the least bit suspicious? Most informed people are aware that claims offered by the creation science community aren't generally backed up by courts, and for good reason. You know as well as we do that trying to silence critics by submitting false DMCA requests is a no no. Many many attempts have been made to try and draw your attention to this matter, it would seem youtube is an unreasonable organization. It would seem your staff is completely unaware even after multiple emails from multiple users explaining the situation which you should not allow to occur. Why must we all fight in court for months? You can look at the videos for yourself and see that (from what I've seen) every single video fit within someones right to their own copyright or fair use.
Please consider reviewing these videos and reinstating all of them immediately. Please also consider reinstating my account. I was doing what you should have been doing.
Rationally yours,
Brian Sapient
www.RationalResponders.com
Youtube account: RationalResponse
(restore our account and we'll keep building your business with the same fervency we always did)
Here are the videos we believe you have removed that should be reviewed, please apply fair use law, we know you know it.
Acorvettes:
"Kent Hovind complete calls from jail (1-4)"
"Kent Hovind complete calls from jail (2-4)"
"Kent Hovind complete calls from jail (3-4)"
"Kent Hovind complete calls from jail (4-4)"
pienaldo:
"Kent Hovind"
"Kent Hovind 2"
"Kent Hovind 3"
"Beware of false prophets"
EGarrett01:
"Kent Hovind destroyed by Evolution Grad Student 1/3"
"Kent Hovind destroyed by Evolution Grad Student 2/3"
"Kent Hovind destroyed by Evolution Grad Student 3/3"
ExtantDodo:
"Kent Hovind - Truth in Arguements"
"Critical Analysis of Kent Hovind's Age of the Earth"
"Critical Analysis of Kent Hovind's Dinosaurs and the Bible"
thewayofgrowingpains:
"Kent Hovind vs Kent Hovind"
"Kent Hovind Believes In Evolution"
"Educating Kent Hovind"
RabidApe:
"'Dr.' Kent Hovind"
"Rabidape is having a CONTEST!!!!"
Desertphile:
"Correcting Kent Hovind Lies, 'Lies in textbooks'"
"Correcting a few of Rev Kent Hovind's Lies"
SecularOpinion:
"Understanding Creationism Pt1a: Meet Kent Hovind"
"Understanding Creationism Pt1b: Meet Kent Hovind"
johnplex:
"Kent Hovind: 10 Years In Prison For "Dr. Stupid""
Chrisboe4ever:
"Tribute to Kent Hovind"
qxdc:
"Kent Hovind vs. 2nd law of thermodynamics"
jesusaveswithcoupons:
"FOR ENDISCOMI 1-- Kent Hovind is a Fruitcake"
trebob27:
"Evolution of the eye (marked for deletion in 1 month)"
Kabane52:
"Kent Hovind is a Conspiracy Theorist kook"
socratesone:
"Kent Hovind gets pwended!"
You've also removed the video that exposed this activity from the Rational Response Squad!
Please repost. This video is not copyrighted, and we mean it!
"I basically subscribed after I checked out that thread that Sapient posted on expenses and the like. Groceries are one of the most important items, so I'm hoping I'm helping there and I'm hoping I help Sapient break even. If I can help stop him from dipping into the retirement fund, I'll be happy." - The Sarge
Even if they own them, you are completely within your rights to share them for several seconds in a video for the purposes of parody, criticism, or commentary. It is the person who submits the copyright take down notice without copyright who is breaking the law, not the original filmmaker.
Yes. You can't rescind copyright once you've given it outpublic unless you state when the copyright will end from the beginning.
Furthermore you can't enforce the "no edit" rule. If you want to edit any piece of material owned by anyone within the rules of fair use, CSE could never defend themselves against them.
"I basically subscribed after I checked out that thread that Sapient posted on expenses and the like. Groceries are one of the most important items, so I'm hoping I'm helping there and I'm hoping I help Sapient break even. If I can help stop him from dipping into the retirement fund, I'll be happy." - The Sarge
Is it possible to set up a page with the video material which was removed, I would really like to see them!
LOL!!!! check out the wikipedia page on Kent Hovind!
"Kent E. Hovind is an American Fucktard and Young Earth creationist"
Haha, once more wikipedia shows its reliability and truth!!!
Operation Spread Eagle, Kent Hovind, Creation Science, Evangelism Ministries, Eric Hovind, Jo Hovind, Liar, Evolution, Copyright, Fraud, Youtube, Fair Use Law, EFF.
"I basically subscribed after I checked out that thread that Sapient posted on expenses and the like. Groceries are one of the most important items, so I'm hoping I'm helping there and I'm hoping I help Sapient break even. If I can help stop him from dipping into the retirement fund, I'll be happy." - The Sarge
Here's some good news. The story got mentioned on the Bad Astronomy Blog:
www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2007/09/14/kent-hovind-creationist-liar-and-...
Which I found out because I go to one of the larger blogs on the internet, Crooks & Liars:
www.crooksandliars.com/2007/09/17/mikes-blog-round-up-454/
So maybe the word just got out to a million more people. Every day Hovind helps spread the word that he's an asshat by using censorship rather than facts to promote his agenda.
here's rapid apes newest video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw9_XUEKlHU
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Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo. -- H. G. Wells
I'm trying to get RabidAp3 on the phone. He interpreted the law incorrectly (best I can tell). And it's unfortunate, because after we release this information, his info will contradict.
I spoke to Rob Kasunic this morning (for 90 minutes) who works at the Library of Congress. He gave me an official quote on the record, "Youtube is not required by law to pull videos down when a DMCA request is sent in." He went on to explain that youtube could face liability if they are incorrect when getting involved in such matters, however they are allowed to ignore a DMCA take down notice or change their stance on one should they choose to.
http://www.kasunic.com/
http://www.loc.gov/help/contact-general.html
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"I basically subscribed after I checked out that thread that Sapient posted on expenses and the like. Groceries are one of the most important items, so I'm hoping I'm helping there and I'm hoping I help Sapient break even. If I can help stop him from dipping into the retirement fund, I'll be happy." - The Sarge
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw9_XUEKlHU
http://www.youtube.com/user/RabidAp3
wierd it worked for me, but there's his channel
I stuttered and stammered all the way through it, but I made a video that basically puts "Operation Spread Eagle" into a 3 minute video. Spread it around.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ANh_Yrm_JA
As far as I understand things, that's correct, isn't it? If not, will someone please let me know? I will take that video down and post a new video with corrections. I made this video so you can easily tell someone about OSE without having to type a lot. All you have to do is this:
you: MAN! SHIT'S GOIN' DOWN ON YOUTUBE!
your friend: What do you mean?
you: No time! Click the link!
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=SnerdWilliams Independent Atheist Movement Forums
It looks awesome, and your facts were very accurate.
Can you send it to me on skype?
"I basically subscribed after I checked out that thread that Sapient posted on expenses and the like. Groceries are one of the most important items, so I'm hoping I'm helping there and I'm hoping I help Sapient break even. If I can help stop him from dipping into the retirement fund, I'll be happy." - The Sarge
I don't have skype and I don't know what it is. Sorry. I could send you the file in an e-mail, but you've shown us that you're taint-deep in work so you don't have time to check e-mail. If you could get someone else to send it to you, I could give the file to them and they could skype it to you. My internet skills basically revolve around forums, YouTube, and porn. Sorry.
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=SnerdWilliams Independent Atheist Movement Forums