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humm... yeah.  i have this friend that is an atheist and he keeps going on about evolution, religion being flawed and God not being real.  i was wondering if you knew some ways i could "refute" him and convert him to christianity?

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I think you hit your head

I think you hit your head and wandered into the wrong forum by accident...

Just in case you've forgotten where you are, this is an atheist forum. So, the answer to your question which you will undoubtably recieve is:

You don't. Your friend is right.

"Physical reality” isn’t some arbitrary demarcation. It is defined in terms of what we can systematically investigate, directly or not, by means of our senses. It is preposterous to assert that the process of systematic scientific reasoning arbitrarily excludes “non-physical explanations” because the very notion of “non-physical explanation” is contradictory.

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I guess you could first see

I guess you could first see if he is interested in reading some Christian books on the evedince for Christianity and see if he would be willing to investigate the claims they make.


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simple theist wrote: I

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I guess you could first see if he is interested in reading some Christian books on the evedince for Christianity and see if he would be willing to investigate the claims they make.

 

I think the assumption you make, that this person hasn't done the above, is a bad assumption. Many here have certianly studied what you have, espcially Rook and we still reject Christianity as absurd. 


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sapphen wrote: humm...

sapphen wrote:
humm... yeah. i have this friend that is an atheist and he keeps going on about evolution, religion being flawed and God not being real. i was wondering if you knew some ways i could "refute" him and convert him to christianity?

 I think your friend may be on to something.


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sapphen wrote:

sapphen wrote:
humm... yeah. i have this friend that is an atheist and he keeps going on about evolution,
Going on? I think you mean trying to teach you the truth. Yes, evolution is a very interesting subject.
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religion being flawed
Flawed? Try absurd. Religious beliefs are quite disgusting
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and God not being real.
After 1000's of years and billions on billions of people making the claim that there's a god, not one flyspeck of evidence has been presented.
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i was wondering if you knew some ways i could "refute" him and convert him to christianity?
You can't refute facts and he will most likely never convert to believing in a fantasy.

People who think there is something they refer to as god don't ask enough questions.


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Hmm.  I'm not quite sure

Hmm.  I'm not quite sure what your intention is with this thread, Sapphen.  Care to elaborate?

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Humm yeah, I have this

Humm yeah, I have this theist friend who keeps going on about:

special creation

6000yr old earth

global flood

immaculate conception

knowledge = evil

talking burning bushes

talking snakes

zombies

plagues of locusts

parting of seas

divinely inscribed tablets

half god / half man

something called a trinity

a loving god

a vengeful god

walking on water

turning water to wine

more zombies

an omnimax god

freewill

envious god

wrestling god

god sacrificing himself to himself for his own rules

stoning children

stoning women

she bears mauling children

 

...and a whole plethora of other magical, fucked up mythology.

I was wondering if you knew some ways I could "open his eyes" let him know that mythology is not something on which he should base his life?

{Edit for clarity} 

 


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pariahjane wrote: Hmm. I'm

pariahjane wrote:
Hmm. I'm not quite sure what your intention is with this thread, Sapphen. Care to elaborate?

 

Come on people. He's trolling. Or are you all just playing along? 


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pariahjane wrote:
Hmm. I'm not quite sure what your intention is with this thread, Sapphen. Care to elaborate?

 

Come on people. He's trolling. Or are you all just playing along?

This is Trollville, after all. 

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sapphen wrote: humm...

sapphen wrote:
humm... yeah. i have this friend that is an atheist and he keeps going on about evolution, religion being flawed and God not being real. i was wondering if you knew some ways i could "refute" him and convert him to christianity?

why does he have to be converted to christianity? what have you got against the other religions of the world? heck, go straight to the source and see if you can get him to worship Horus.

 

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well although horus is

well although horus is kinda cool... i just think Jesus will be best for him.


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sapphen wrote: well

sapphen wrote:

well although horus is kinda cool... i just think Jesus will be best for him.

You should convince your friend to worship Santa Claus because Santa provides gifts in December, Jesus provided nothing.  There's really a North Pole and Santa does have a house there that your friend can visit (but unlike Fairbanks, North Pole Alaska has a sales tax).  Reindeer have also been confirmed to be real.

With all this great evidence you can convert your Atheist friend to a scientifically proven religion of Santaism.  Forget your silly notion of worshipping some Jew on a stick because there's no Hell with Santa, just a lump of coal and you get another year to improve. 


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I'm pretty damn certain

I'm pretty damn certain that, since this is "Trollville" and all, this guy is just a troll.

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sapphen wrote: well

sapphen wrote:

well although horus is kinda cool... i just think Jesus will be best for him.

You can't beat Horus, ever. 

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LOL ophios... funny nice

LOL ophios... funny

nice responses guys... i hope you do understand that i was kidding but there was some interesting replies.  i pose another question to you and i understand if you can not answer it;

what if some crazy rich guy came to you and told you that he would give you 3 million dollars, in cash, non-taxed, completely legal... if you where to convense an atheist to believe there was a God.  not in religion or any sect therein but just to believe in God.  how would you do it?  if 3 million dollars isn't enought, how much would it take?

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sapphen wrote: LOL

sapphen wrote:

LOL ophios... funny

nice responses guys... i hope you do understand that i was kidding but there was some interesting replies.  i pose another question to you and i understand if you can not answer it;

what if some crazy rich guy came to you and told you that he would give you 3 million dollars, in cash, non-taxed, completely legal... if you where to convense an atheist to believe there was a God.  not in religion or any sect therein but just to believe in God.  how would you do it?  if 3 million dollars isn't enought, how much would it take?

 

I really don't know if there is enough money in the world. I put much more value in truth and knowledge then i do in money. I would not want the other atheist to delude himself. In fact a lot of atheists would be able to see right through any arguments i gave him for god's existence. Arguing for god's existence, i think, always involves , i think necessarily, logical contradictions and/or using "god" in a meaningless way.  


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fair enough.

fair enough.


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Id just give him a few

Id just give him a few thousand to fake belief.Id never try to convince someone into the delusion.


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sapphen wrote: LOL

sapphen wrote:

LOL ophios... funny

nice responses guys... i hope you do understand that i was kidding but there was some interesting replies. i pose another question to you and i understand if you can not answer it;

what if some crazy rich guy came to you and told you that he would give you 3 million dollars, in cash, non-taxed, completely legal... if you where to convense an atheist to believe there was a God. not in religion or any sect therein but just to believe in God. how would you do it? if 3 million dollars isn't enought, how much would it take?

That guy's name is Hank right and all you need to do is kiss his ass and he'll give you a million dollars.  When you kissed Hank's ass was it hairy? 


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sapphen wrote: humm...

sapphen wrote:
humm... yeah.  i have this friend that is an atheist and he keeps going on about evolution, religion being flawed and God not being real.  i was wondering if you knew some ways i could "refute" him and convert him to christianity?

Please, were you a true Christian, you'd simply read him Genesis. You're just a heretic heathen yourself for not having enough of the Holy Spirit in you to tell this infidel he's going to hell for having faith in science.

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sapphen wrote: LOL

sapphen wrote:

LOL ophios... funny

nice responses guys... i hope you do understand that i was kidding but there was some interesting replies.  i pose another question to you and i understand if you can not answer it;

what if some crazy rich guy came to you and told you that he would give you 3 million dollars, in cash, non-taxed, completely legal... if you where to convense an atheist to believe there was a God.  not in religion or any sect therein but just to believe in God.  how would you do it?  if 3 million dollars isn't enought, how much would it take?

Heh. I'd do it. Then after I'd collected the cash, I'd use the same strategy with a few modifications to deprogram them(since the strategy worked the first time).

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Yeah fuck science! Its

Yeah fuck science! Its blasphemy!
we all know the bible is the only truth.
So what if its way outdated and shit.
Its the word of god dammit,how could any sane person refute it!
Its old,therefore true,wait religion predates the bible,countless gods beforehand.............

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I'm not sure which is

I'm not sure which is funnier, sapphen post, or the posts of those who think sapphen is being serious (or perhaps pretending he's serious). Anyway, continue to entertain me, minions!

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sapphen wrote: humm...

sapphen wrote:
humm... yeah. i have this friend that is an atheist and he keeps going on about evolution, religion being flawed and God not being real. i was wondering if you knew some ways i could "refute" him and convert him to christianity?

That's OK, sapphen.  I knew you were making a little Trollville joke.

 

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sapphen wrote:

sapphen wrote:
i pose another question to you and i understand if you can not answer it;

what if some crazy rich guy came to you and told you that he would give you 3 million dollars, in cash, non-taxed, completely legal... if you where to convense an atheist to believe there was a God. not in religion or any sect therein but just to believe in God. how would you do it? if 3 million dollars isn't enought, how much would it take?

I would Smiling I'd just learn how to do the Derren Brown thing and repeat it (including telling them what I did afterwards)

 

 

 

 

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BGH wrote: Humm yeah, I

BGH wrote:

Humm yeah, I have this theist friend who keeps going on about:

knowledge = evil

a loving god

a vengeful god (First loving... THEN vengeful...)

an omnimax god

freewill (first omnimax... THEN freewill...)

envious god

wrestling god

god sacrificing himself to himself for his own rules

stoning children

stoning women (first loving... THEN these two...)

WHAT!?!? Could there be anything more god damned ridiculous,  zillion times contradictory mess of a world-view??

Or is this sarcasm? 

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sapphen wrote: what if some

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what if some crazy rich guy came to you and told you that he would give you 3 million dollars, in cash, non-taxed, completely legal... if you where to convense an atheist to believe there was a God. not in religion or any sect therein but just to believe in God. how would you do it? if 3 million dollars isn't enought, how much would it take?

As the offer doesn't state that he must stay that way or how smart the atheist is I'll find a dumb one, trick him with an overly complicated string of psudo-logic, get the cash, tell the poor guy how and why I tricked him, then give him 10% for his trouble. 


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simple theist wrote: I

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I guess you could first see if he is interested in reading some Christian books on the evedince for Christianity and see if he would be willing to investigate the claims they make.

"The Case for Christ" by Lee Stroebel. Lee was an atheist until he got wise and discovered the TRUTH.