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(I think I spelt it rite) The FCC want to turn the net over to 3 or 4 big companies. I thought thet government was supposed to watch over public assets for the people of the country rather then be favoring the private enterprise of a few billion dollad Corporations. As I understand it, we paid for the damn thing and many of these greedy companies recieved subsidies to run the cables necessary for the internet. I'm suggesting --if you disagree with this intended robbey you fins an online petion and voice your concerns as to wether you'd prefer this not to happen. But be carefull here. Sneaky greedy as coprporate entities have become they will put up fake petitions to divert public interests and just throw the input away. So, go online and state your case if interested. 

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 This does not surpise me.

 This does not surpise me. We've had 36 years of Reagan's deregulation, which is pro monopoly and anti competition. The GOP have been masters at selling anti free market concepts as free market concepts. 

 

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 I've been arguing net

 I've been arguing net neutrality since the 90's. It's hopeless. Big corporations got elected in to office and they will make new laws to change thing to profit from it.


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 I've been arguing net neutrality since the 90's. It's hopeless. Big corporations got elected in to office and they will make new laws to change thing to profit from it.

government process in the country is sickening. Greed greed greed. The bastid fat cats can't get enough money, and then also want to take over public assets that we paid for. 

 

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 I've been arguing net neutrality since the 90's. It's hopeless. Big corporations got elected in to office and they will make new laws to change thing to profit from it.

government process in the country is sickening. Greed greed greed. The bastid fat cats can't get enough money, and then also want to take over public assets that we paid for. 

 

They need to regulate capitalism.


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 I've been arguing net neutrality since the 90's. It's hopeless. Big corporations got elected in to office and they will make new laws to change thing to profit from it.

government process in the country is sickening. Greed greed greed. The bastid fat cats can't get enough money, and then also want to take over public assets that we paid for. 

 

They need to regulate capitalism.

We'd be asking capitalists to regulate capitalism. The 2008 financial robber was  mostly create by the deregulation of Wall Street bankers. The Glass-Steagle acr prohibites investment banks from using people's bank accounts for investment. IOW. the money in the bank is/was divides into two, theirs and yours. They went to congress and got Glass-Stegale repealed, and look what happened. Congress was just as responsible for what happed as the Wall Stree Robbers.

 

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Old Seer wrote:

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digitalbeachbum wrote:

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 I've been arguing net neutrality since the 90's. It's hopeless. Big corporations got elected in to office and they will make new laws to change thing to profit from it.

government process in the country is sickening. Greed greed greed. The bastid fat cats can't get enough money, and then also want to take over public assets that we paid for. 

 

They need to regulate capitalism.

We'd be asking capitalists to regulate capitalism. The 2008 financial robber was  mostly create by the deregulation of Wall Street bankers. The Glass-Steagle acr prohibites investment banks from using people's bank accounts for investment. IOW. the money in the bank is/was divides into two, theirs and yours. They went to congress and got Glass-Stegale repealed, and look what happened. Congress was just as responsible for what happed as the Wall Stree Robbers.

 

So what would solve this dilemma? Another revolution?


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digitalbeachbum wrote:They

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They need to regulate capitalism.

Who will regulate the regulators?


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They need to regulate capitalism.

Who will regulate the regulators?

the the Bums and your posts. There is no answer to the problem. We are all predatory by nature, it is one of the items that make one a person. The predator characteristic is important for one's survival---except in a society of understanding people.

Being that predator is part one part of one's person it has to be regulated, but, it cannot be regulated in a society that as been formed as it's pime operational process. As you say, who will regulate the regulators, especially when the regulators basic social principals are also predatory bound.

The prime moving force to create a civil society is predatorism, so ther-fore it can be understood to be a self defeating social process. For example- a pride of lions can only exist as long as the members cannot successfully prey upon their own kind. They can't so so because they lack the intellectual ability to adjust themselves to prey upon one another. There-for they are stuck where their at and can only prey upon the defensless in the area. The off-setting forces in the lion pide keep them from anialating the pride. In the case of "people" this is not so. In the Old Seers study we had to re-define "people". To us "people is neither male nor female and became understood to mean ---an intellectual person or being and considered neither animal or human. The term is our use (keep certian elements catigorized) it simply expesees--intelect. Here=in lies peoples problem. I staed of being as the lion people can reason to be a predatior and make adjustments to it's use. It becomes the prime social value. Everyoone becomes a predatory entity as thy mainsay of society and "the prey" (misue of people) becomes everyone. 

The problem cannot be solved. The masses have to change social values and place the values in the person to p[erson catagory not the material and money catagory. That is to say--the masses have to live together in accordance of what will keep them at peace with each other rather then predatory status via wealt and personal powers over each other. We Smurfs know that a predatory social structure isn't needed to live on planet earth. A predatpory structure is prefered in the world only becasue the elements of "person" are not properly recognised in what they are, so all merely become trained to follow the leaders who are the main predators.

There's more but I'll cut it here.

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They need to regulate capitalism.

Who will regulate the regulators?

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The problem cannot be solved. The masses have to change social values and place the values in the person to p[erson catagory not the material and money

There is a solution and you stated it. If there is a solution then it can be solved but it requires people to be devoted to a common cause.

Currently capitalism has no common cause unless you are greedy, even then most greedy people are out for their own gain.


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The problem cannot be solved. The masses have to change social values and place the values in the person to p[erson catagory not the material and money

There is a solution and you stated it. If there is a solution then it can be solved but it requires people to be devoted to a common cause.

Currently capitalism has no common cause unless you are greedy, even then most greedy people are out for their own gain.

is--I say there's no solutution is because a predatory society cannot be fixed as any attempt to fix wouldn't work. Itr has been modifies for (for example) to capitalism and then there's predatory capitalism as they've created it. But that's just a mental trick. That's like saying lions that don't eat meat aren't predators. or- if a lion is allowed only to take one bit out of a zebra it isn't a predator, and lions that eat the whole zebras are.

it's  like believing if lions were intelligent enough to regulate how much zebra they can have at any one meal off each zebra to preserve the herd, then they're not a predatory. In the world of an Old Seer we don't care what kind of body a lion has, a predator is a predator and regulating it still keeps it a predator. That's what we mean by --a predator society cannot be fixed, it can only be exchanged for the other. So, there's no such thing as capitalism and predatory capitalism. As in any lion pride (or any animal based society) a dominant one will prevail. It's a matter of mentaltiy or social mental presence. change that and you change society. Societies are constructed on a mentality of mutual relative factors. Change the factors and you have a different based society. If you by-pass capitalism you have a differnet relativity base, or values.

One cannot remove the predator of thiere person as it is onje characteristic of person, but, one needen't use it. If the members of a society agree to not use predator characters then it's up to the individual to do the regulating. The any member entering into a predator  mode whould be shunned and avoided---or even removed. If Zebras can exist without being predators then so can people.

In this case the problem wasn't fixed--it was removed. As like a car in a junk yard, it's not fixed but it's been removed from the road.

 

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Old Seer wrote:is--I say

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is--I say there's no solutution is because a predatory society cannot be fixed as any attempt to fix wouldn't work. Itr has been modifies for (for example) to capitalism and then there's predatory capitalism as they've created it. But that's just a mental trick. That's like saying lions that don't eat meat aren't predators. or- if a lion is allowed only to take one bit out of a zebra it isn't a predator, and lions that eat the whole zebras are.

One cannot remove the predator of thiere person as it is onje characteristic of person, but, one needen't use it. If the members of a society agree to not use predator characters then it's up to the individual to do the regulating. The any member entering into a predator  mode whould be shunned and avoided---or even removed. If Zebras can exist without being predators then so can people.

In this case the problem wasn't fixed--it was removed. As like a car in a junk yard, it's not fixed but it's been removed from the road.

 

While I understand the analogy, it isn't quite the same. People can be controlled to a certain point. 

I believe, for example, people who molest kids (predators and abusers) can be controlled. The more violent types need to be locked up, but the lesser ones can be trained provided they conceed their problem within society.

People who are greedy can be trained, but the more serious ones just need to be locked up.


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There are a number of solutions the rich can adhere to in order to avoid the final solution of revolution. As yet, historically, the greed of the rich always outweighs the prudence. But it isn't necessary. It has always and will always be possible for people to learn the lessons history teaches.

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digitalbeachbum wrote:

They need to regulate capitalism.

Who will regulate the regulators?

The environment, the people, and those being regulated. As it has always been. You are the master of the stupid question.

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The masses have to change social values and place the values in the person to p[erson catagory not the material and money catagory.

That won't be possible until material needs are no longer relevant. Until everyone is fed and has shelter bare minimum. As long as people need money to survive, money will override social progress.

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There are a number of solutions the rich can adhere to in order to avoid the final solution of revolution. As yet, historically, the greed of the rich always outweighs the prudence. But it isn't necessary. It has always and will always be possible for people to learn the lessons history teaches.
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digitalbeachbum wrote:

They need to regulate capitalism.

Who will regulate the regulators?

The environment, the people, and those being regulated. As it has always been. You are the master of the stupid question.
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The masses have to change social values and place the values in the person to p[erson catagory not the material and money catagory.
That won't be possible until material needs are no longer relevant. Until everyone is fed and has shelter bare minimum. As long as people need money to survive, money will override social progress.
the world has social problems (accroding to the Psyco Smurfs) is because it operates (otherwise known as SOP) on the predator/capitalist systems. As an Old Seers said at one time, we live on a planet with no shortage of what we need, then when money was invented everything may as well be scarce. it's why we suggest that people go to a hamlet social system and economy. Eveyone knows everyone and if someone deviates all will know. Peredatory process is controlled by the hamlet cutting ties with one that steps into a prdator situation. Howevr --there's no need for a predator system in a hamlet social group--there's not enough people ion  it to revert to it. One predator ruins the society, so the members won't socialize with one as such. In turn the predator is controlled or eliminated by the non-acceptance of it. Every individual does what they do and there's no need for competition. One only gets an amopunt out of it that one puts into it. It's a system based on need rather then greed. In it's economy everyone produces something to put in the middle and can take an equal amount from it.

Your money is your labor. 1 hour of what you produce is 1 hour of what someone else produces. Thats looking at the commercial side of it.

 

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And you're wrong. We would never have got anywhere near where we are if we weren't predatory. We'd have been eaten.

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The environment, the people, and those being regulated. As it has always been. You are the master of the stupid question.

Nice to know know you think of Plato as an idiot, since he was the original one to ask this question.

So if the people are the ultimate regulators, why do we need politicians, beauracrats and taxes to pay for them? Eliminate the middle man.

Sorry but I don't share your slavish devotion to elitism. Yes, The common man is just too stupid to make his own decisions or spend his own money, so we just have to turn over all our power and wealth to elite group of politicians that decide everything for us. Another stupid question, what make these socialist politicians so wise intellegent and non-greedy? They share the same DNA as us lowly peons.

Now for the ad-hominem since you have nothing rational to say...

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digitalbeachbum wrote:MeThen

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Then why do we need government regulators? You can regulate capitalism just by not buying from or working for companies that suck.

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And you're wrong. We would never have got anywhere near where we are if we weren't predatory. We'd have been eaten.
we have to be where we are yoday. We wouldn't be where we are if the 1st world war didn't happen. We are where we are because we're under the authority of those who rule. We are where they want to go, and it is they that create the wars. We are where we are (as you say) because thsi is where predators will take it. They took us here out of their own self interest and what they can get people to believe. But, there is no necessity to be here. The Gazeles aren't going anywhere and they're just fine with it, The lions can only get somewhere because of the Gazelles.

 History proves we would have been better off with what we need rather then what we greed. Now then, am I complaining--nope. with out the systems in play throughout history I wouldn'r be here. So, one can be gratyeful, but one still doesn't have to agree with how it was done. In another way others would still be here. The cave floks didn't have much at all bur were still here. The object is, to change it. Now the world is really suck---it has to depend on war to progress and kep the progress going. There is no way we will go another 2000 years without neuclear war. Today they play with war as though "they" can perfect and control war. Haitory has it---that can't be true. So, now what. 

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The environment, the people, and those being regulated. As it has always been. You are the master of the stupid question.

Nice to know know you think of Plato as an idiot, since he was the original one to ask this question.

So if the people are the ultimate regulators, why do we need politicians, beauracrats and taxes to pay for them? Eliminate the middle man.

Sorry but I don't share your slavish devotion to elitism. Yes, The common man is just too stupid to make his own decisions or spend his own money, so we just have to turn over all our power and wealth to elite group of politicians that decide everything for us. Another stupid question, what make these socialist politicians so wise intellegent and non-greedy? They share the same DNA as us lowly peons.

Now for the ad-hominem since you have nothing rational to say...

the system we have is merely some people's invention. The problems come into play when eveyone is forced to participate a predatory system. The people can get out of it if they want to and break off into those hamlet social groups that predatorism is not allowed. That does not get rid of one's predator tendances however. Your predator drive won't be accepted by the others. In such a system predatory prctices aren't feasable and ruin the society, just as it's doing presently. At the ulyimate end of intellectual predatorism it destrys itself. So, eventually the big boy will have to change. History show we are in a learning expeirnce. Bear in mind that what we've been undertaking so far is a lesson learning process. We will learn not to do in the future what we are doing now. Think about it---we won't even need freeways and interstae systems. The Hamlet is where all is going and the only type that can be sustained without killing each other to extinction. Capitalism will get to a pont of non-workablity at some time in the future. You can sell you stock and bet on it. What these systems are today will all passs away in time. Nature gets rid of what doesn't work.

 

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Old Seer wrote:we have to be

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we have to be where we are yoday.

We have every reason to want to be where we are. Individual people did nothing to get us here, it took the entire species. War is the natural state of the universe. I'm half done your first paragraph and you're absolutely completely wrong on EVERYTHING.

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EXC wrote:Nice to know know

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Nice to know know you think of Plato as an idiot, since he was the original one to ask this question.

He asked the question when it had no answer, making him smart. You ask the question when it has had an answer for centuries, making you retarded.

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So if the people are the ultimate regulators, why do we need politicians, beauracrats and taxes to pay for them? Eliminate the middle man.

The people hire people to do it, you braindead shitstain. Most people don't want to run everything, they want a life. You don't even want the easy job of paying for it, you'd never in a million years be willing to do the job yourself.

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Sorry but I don't share your slavish devotion to elitism.

You're the only elitist on the entire site, lying scum.

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The common man is just too stupid to make his own decisions or spend his own money, so we just have to turn over all our power and wealth to elite group of politicians that decide everything for us.

More lies by the ultimate liar. Is your last name Bush? Trump? Clinton?

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Another stupid question, what make these socialist politicians so wise intellegent and non-greedy? They share the same DNA as us lowly peons.

I've answered this stupid question a dozen times. Your inability to comprehend the most basic things suggests you should be in the psych ward.

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Now for the ad-hominem since you have nothing rational to say...

Says the irrational liar and projector who is a broken record of lies and projecions throughout his entire life. Grow up boy.

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the system we have is merely some people's invention.

No, it isn't. God damn read some fucking history.

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the system we have is merely some people's invention.
No, it isn't. God damn read some fucking history.
shows that at one time there was no civil government. It had to have been instituted at some time. I don't think the African Bushman could be considered a civilization. It's where we all came from. If history has it that the Babaloinans were the cradle of civilization (which today we find it wasn't necessarily) then who started it--someone had to. As best I know the Egyptians may hve invented it. If they did, what did they have before it.

 

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the system we have is merely some people's invention.
No, it isn't. God damn read some fucking history.

Wikipedia.

The earliest emergence of civilizations is generally associated with the final stages of the Neolithic Revolution, culminating in the relatively rapid process of urban revolution and state formation, a political development associated with the appearance of a governing elite. The earlier neolithic technology and lifestyle was established first in the Middle East (for example at Göbekli Tepe, from about 9,130 BCE), and later in the Yellow River and Yangtze basins in China (for example the Pengtoushan culture from 7,500 BCE), and later spread. Similar pre-civilized "neolithic revolutions" also began independently from 7,000 BCE in such places as northwestern South America (the Norte Chico civilization)[10] and Mesoamerica. These were among the six civilizations worldwide that arose independently.[11] Mesopotamia is the site of the earliest developments of the Neolithic Revolution from around 10,000 BCE, with civilizations developing from 6,500 years ago. This area has been identified as having "inspired some of the most important developments in human history including the invention of the wheel, the development of cursive script, mathematics, astronomy and agriculture."[12]

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It had to start somewhere by someone. If it didn't exist previous then someonr(people) invented it.The key word here is "emergence". It wasn't before it emerged.

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Here's another from Wiki--Civilization is a people farm, just as I said a while back. Someone has to be the farmer--it's the ones that invent it for thier puposes. Farmers run a farm for thier own gain on the first count

Civilizations are intimately associated with and often further defined by other socio-politico-economic characteristics, including centralization, the domestication of both humans and other organisms, specialization of labour, culturally ingrained ideologies of progress and supremacism, monumental architecture, taxation, societal dependence upon farming and expansionism.[2][3]

 

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Then why do we need government regulators? You can regulate capitalism just by not buying from or working for companies that suck.

It's a tier thing.


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Another stupid question, what make these socialist politicians so wise intellegent and non-greedy? They share the same DNA as us lowly peons.
I've answered this stupid question a dozen times. Your inability to comprehend the most basic things suggests you should be in the psych ward.

NO you don't answer it. Socialist politicians and beauracrats have the same damn DNA as the rest of humanity. The same damn selfish motivation. Calling yourself a socialist that "cares about the workers" doesn't make it so, it makes them a scam artist.

If people don't have time to be watchdogs, it is because they are slaves that spend most of their working hours paying taxes. The political elites don't want you to have any time or money.

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Back to the topic.

Some of the Net Neutrality backing is really just people that want others to subsidize their high bandwith usage. They want premium gasoline but they want to pay the regular price. They scream censorship when it's really 'give me free stuff'.

Speech is going to be regulated. The question is 'Is the government going to do it better than big corporations''? Who knows? The soloution to this has to be encription everywhere so neither government or corporations know what anyone is sending.

 

 

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Back to the topic.

Some of the Net Neutrality backing is really just people that want others to subsidize their high bandwith usage. They want premium gasoline but they want to pay the regular price. They scream censorship when it's really 'give me free stuff'.

Speech is going to be regulated. The question is 'Is the government going to do it better than big corporations''? Who knows? The soloution to this has to be encription everywhere so neither government or corporations know what anyone is sending.

 

 

the concern is. If ATT, Verision, etc (the big guys) want you to pay according to band width or high or low speed connections, and they'll charge more for higher speed connections. If you don't pay top dollar you get 1990 speeds. maybe baak to the 28K modum. Another concern is big companies will censor the net also. If your political point of view doesn't match theirs you probably won't get space. They could,  I suppose, disallow certain input that they deem harmful. Under those circumstanses they may not allow conspiracy sites that promote Gov involvment in WTC 9-11 or sites as such.

 

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Then why do we need government regulators? You can regulate capitalism just by not buying from or working for companies that suck.

It's a tier thing.

Is more about personal status---being as big a Kahoona as one can---Numba waun. The common person is normally OK but the ego trippers want satifaction big time in all respects. It like the USMC rank with "time in grade--that sort of thing.

But it's also about material pursuts, pleasue seeking and affluence.

 

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Then why do we need government regulators? You can regulate capitalism just by not buying from or working for companies that suck.

It's a tier thing.

Is more about personal status---being as big a Kahoona as one can---Numba waun. The common person is normally OK but the ego trippers want satifaction big time in all respects. It like the USMC rank with "time in grade--that sort of thing.

But it's also about material pursuts, pleasue seeking and affluence.

 

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Old Seer wrote:shows that at

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shows that at one time there was no civil government.

No it bloody well doesn't. Read some fucking history. Read some fucking studies on other animals. Social orders were established before society existed, including authority.

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It had to have been instituted at some time.

Funny how you can't show it because it never happened.

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I don't think the African Bushman could be considered a civilization.

Think again.

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If history has it that the Babaloinans were the cradle of civilization (which today we find it wasn't necessarily) then who started it--someone had to.

Bullshit. Every social species acts exactly the same way. The sheer level of your ignorance is mind boggling. You're just like a theist, making shit up as you go without actually looking anything up. And you wonder how you got stuck with a theist label. lol

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Wikipedia.

Doesn't help your argument at all. Did you even bother to look at the pre-civilisations cited that also had structures of authority? No you didn't. You have done 0 research. If you had spent any time researching your delusional claptrap you wouldn't be pulling shit out of your ass.

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It had to start somewhere by someone.

So who made ants, termites, and bees follow an authority structure? Who made the lions and wolves follow an authority structure? Why are you making up bullshit when the truth is screaming in your face?

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NO you don't answer it.

YES I did answer it, hundreds of times. Lying scum.

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Socialist politicians and beauracrats have the same damn DNA as the rest of humanity. The same damn selfish motivation.

Irrelevant.

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Calling yourself a socialist that "cares about the workers" doesn't make it so, it makes them a scam artist.

You're a scam artist and a sociopath and a liar. Keep deluding yourself.

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If people don't have time to be watchdogs, it is because they are slaves that spend most of their working hours paying taxes. The political elites don't want you to have any time or money.

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shows that at one time there was no civil government.
No it bloody well doesn't. Read some fucking history. Read some fucking studies on other animals. Social orders were established before society existed, including authority.
Old Seer wrote:
It had to have been instituted at some time.
Funny how you can't show it because it never happened.
Old Seer wrote:
I don't think the African Bushman could be considered a civilization.
Think again.
Old Seer wrote:
If history has it that the Babaloinans were the cradle of civilization (which today we find it wasn't necessarily) then who started it--someone had to.
Bullshit. Every social species acts exactly the same way. The sheer level of your ignorance is mind boggling. You're just like a theist, making shit up as you go without actually looking anything up. And you wonder how you got stuck with a theist label. lol
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Wikipedia.
Doesn't help your argument at all. Did you even bother to look at the pre-civilisations cited that also had structures of authority? No you didn't. You have done 0 research. If you had spent any time researching your delusional claptrap you wouldn't be pulling shit out of your ass.
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It had to start somewhere by someone.
So who made ants, termites, and bees follow an authority structure? Who made the lions and wolves follow an authority structure? Why are you making up bullshit when the truth is screaming in your face?
You didn't read or go along with the wiki information. Are you also saying they're wrong. How so. It's history as known to be, or the best they can do with archeological works and science. I'd say you trapped yourself---you said--Pre-civilization. That means there was a time when it wasn't --and then came a time when it was. When did civilization begin for the ants. From the way you're seeing things the ants always had civilization and people didn't.

According to hisorical understsnding by most floks--ant colonies aren't considered civilizations. Civilization has to do with intellectual beings that can ubderstand each other by sylibolic languages. Ants don't communicate by word and phrases. Civilization is a reasoned undertaking of a concious plan between individuals.

Oh, I'm not arguing, i'm presenting information as I understand it. I don't mind being wrong on something, but you're not going along with the consensus of minds.I'm merely quoting them. As I see it, they know what history is. How do you propose to infrom them they're wrong.

 

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You didn't read or go along with the wiki information.

No, I'm saying YOU didn't even read the source material for your own source, else you'd know it destroys your argument completely.

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I'd say you trapped yourself---you said--Pre-civilization.

No I used the terminology used by the wiki article to make it easier for you to understand. Foolish me, I should have known you'd get hung up on semantics instead of learning something.

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According to hisorical understsnding by most floks--ant colonies aren't considered civilizations.

You are absolutely wrong. But then you're apparently asking historians about ants when the correct field is entomology, not history. Which is like asking a geologist about astronomy. Actually no, at least you'd be staying in the same family of science that way. No, you're effectively asking an English major about biology. Ridiculously ridiculous.

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Civilization has to do with intellectual beings that can ubderstand each other by sylibolic languages.

So we can add basic English to the subjects you know nothing about. Intellect has nothing to do with civilisation. I suggest you look up the word, because by definition you can't have civilisation without social stratification, which is just the scientific way of saying you can't have civilisation without authority structures.

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Ants don't communicate by word and phrases.

No they communicate through smells and movements. What's your point?

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Oh, I'm not arguing,

Agreed, you aren't arguing. You're saying abunch of bullshit and I'm ridiculing you for it.

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but you're not going along with the consensus of minds.I'm merely quoting them.

No you aren't. You can't get ONE specialist in any fields pertinent to the discussion to agree with you, because you don't have a fucking clue and I do.

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You didn't read or go along with the wiki information.
No, I'm saying YOU didn't even read the source material for your own source, else you'd know it destroys your argument completely.
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I'd say you trapped yourself---you said--Pre-civilization.
No I used the terminology used by the wiki article to make it easier for you to understand. Foolish me, I should have known you'd get hung up on semantics instead of learning something.
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According to hisorical understsnding by most floks--ant colonies aren't considered civilizations.
You are absolutely wrong. But then you're apparently asking historians about ants when the correct field is entomology, not history. Which is like asking a geologist about astronomy. Actually no, at least you'd be staying in the same family of science that way. No, you're effectively asking an English major about biology. Ridiculously ridiculous.
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Civilization has to do with intellectual beings that can ubderstand each other by sylibolic languages.
So we can add basic English to the subjects you know nothing about. Intellect has nothing to do with civilisation. I suggest you look up the word, because by definition you can't have civilisation without social stratification, which is just the scientific way of saying you can't have civilisation without authority structures.
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Ants don't communicate by word and phrases.
No they communicate through smells and movements. What's your point?
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Oh, I'm not arguing,
Agreed, you aren't arguing. You're saying abunch of bullshit and I'm ridiculing you for it.
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but you're not going along with the consensus of minds.I'm merely quoting them.
No you aren't. You can't get ONE specialist in any fields pertinent to the discussion to agree with you, because you don't have a fucking clue and I do.
have your own little world there. Your input/info doesn't coincide with conventional understanding of thinkinkig and what has already been established by entities that did research. Having been around for a while I'd say I have an appropreate understanding of things.  No civilization has ever worked and none ever will. History is proof of it, and civilization of today is limited just as the ones past. I can't see you to be correct.

If you used the Wiki for information--then- what is wiki correct on and what is not correct. The first paragraph says it all. Either they're wrong in yor opinon isn't. Or do you want to pick what suits you and. As to whether an any colony is a civilization is a personal acceptance. But the floks on wiki (written by those who deal with the subject) don't think it is. There's a lot of agrrement by many, and there's alot of disagreement. After all that I have to go what my experience shows as to what I agree with and not. So the wiki infor helps your case but not mine, is that correct. I can plainly see thay don't agree with you. 

Social scientists such as V. Gordon Childe have named a number of traits that distinguish a civilization from other kinds of society.

This guy here says  there's civilization and then there's "other" kinds of societies. That's what I always understood. Is he correct--Y/N

 

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have your own little world there.

Projection.

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Your input/info doesn't coincide with conventional understanding of thinkinkig and what has already been established by entities that did research.

Blatant lies as proved by your own source material.

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Having been around for a while

Yet learning nothing.

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I'd say I have an appropreate understanding of things. 

But you're wrong.

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No civilization has ever worked and none ever will. History is proof of it, and civilization of today is limited just as the ones past.

Which is irrelevant.

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I can't see you to be correct.

Yet I am.
As an aside, I never claimed a civilisation could last forever. In fact I quite specifically said the opposite. So if you're attempting to claim I claimed otherwise, you can shove your bullshit back up your ass where it came from.

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If you used the Wiki for information--then- what is wiki correct on and what is not correct. The first paragraph says it all. Either they're wrong in yor opinon isn't.

No, you simply aren't willing or able to comprehend how nothing in the article you posted suggests social stratification came after civilisation. In fact, it proves the opposite. Which proves that your ridiculous claim that someone one day just made up all the rules to screw people is absolute bullshit.

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Vastet wrote:
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have your own little world there.
Projection.
Old Seer wrote:
Your input/info doesn't coincide with conventional understanding of thinkinkig and what has already been established by entities that did research.
Blatant lies as proved by your own source material.
Old Seer wrote:
Having been around for a while
Yet learning nothing.
Old Seer wrote:
I'd say I have an appropreate understanding of things. 
But you're wrong.
Old Seer wrote:
No civilization has ever worked and none ever will. History is proof of it, and civilization of today is limited just as the ones past.
Which is irrelevant.
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I can't see you to be correct.
Yet I am. As an aside, I never claimed a civilisation could last forever. In fact I quite specifically said the opposite. So if you're attempting to claim I claimed otherwise, you can shove your bullshit back up your ass where it came from.
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If you used the Wiki for information--then- what is wiki correct on and what is not correct. The first paragraph says it all. Either they're wrong in yor opinon isn't.
No, you simply aren't willing or able to comprehend how nothing in the article you posted suggests social stratification came after civilisation. In fact, it proves the opposite. Which proves that your ridiculous claim that someone one day just made up all the rules to screw people is absolute bullshit.
still haveing a problem with this. Well hey, if you believe that ants arew civilized so you do. Not to many floks woul;d agree with you. I don't think sociologists would say a cow herd is civilization. My Oldest daughter is laughing at you. She just completed a 5 year stint in colage last year and one of here majors was "sociology". I'm not deliberately kickng you in the gut, but common---get real here. Wiki and other documentations do not support your calim. 

 

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still haveing a problem with this.

Oh look you're still making shit up.

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Well hey, if you believe that ants arew civilized so you do.

Ants have a civilisation, as any entymologist would agree. It is a fact.

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Not to many floks woul;d agree with you.

Wrong.

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I don't think sociologists would say a cow herd is civilization.

Because a cow herd isn't a civilisation. Wow you're dumb lol. How could a servile species bred in captivity as a food source be a civilisation?

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My Oldest daughter is laughing at you.

How unfortunate you had children. But unsurprising they are as ignorant and stupid as yourself.

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She just completed a 5 year stint in colage last year and one of here majors was "sociology".

Next time send her to a real school.

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I'm not deliberately kickng you in the gut, but common---get real here.

The only one you're kicking in the gut is yourself. Well, now your daughter as well. I have a lot more than 5 years education in psychology, psychiatry, and sociology. More like 20 years. You and your daughter are literally stupid.

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Wiki and other documentations do not support your calim. 

Yes, they do. Learn to read moron. There is literally 0 evidence and 0 non-theist professionals in the fields discussed who would disagree with me. But feel free to keep living in never never land.

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still haveing a problem with this.
Oh look you're still making shit up.
Old Seer wrote:
Well hey, if you believe that ants arew civilized so you do.
Ants have a civilisation, as any entymologist would agree. It is a fact.
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Not to many floks woul;d agree with you.
Wrong.
Old Seer wrote:
I don't think sociologists would say a cow herd is civilization.
Because a cow herd isn't a civilisation. Wow you're dumb lol. How could a servile species bred in captivity as a food source be a civilisation?
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My Oldest daughter is laughing at you.
How unfortunate you had children. But unsurprising they are as ignorant and stupid as yourself.
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She just completed a 5 year stint in colage last year and one of here majors was "sociology".
Next time send her to a real school.
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I'm not deliberately kickng you in the gut, but common---get real here.
The only one you're kicking in the gut is yourself. Well, now your daughter as well. I have a lot more than 5 years education in psychology, psychiatry, and sociology. More like 20 years. You and your daughter are literally stupid.
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Wiki and other documentations do not support your calim. 
Yes, they do. Learn to read moron. There is literally 0 evidence and 0 non-theist professionals in the fields discussed who would disagree with me. But feel free to keep living in never never land.
and I send a complaint to managment. You're out of line here buster, and there are rules in this site asking it's members to be repecful of other. All you're doin here is trolling around and attempting do degrade as is common for you.. One would thinlk with all that psychology you'd know yourself better and understand to be civilized around others. I've done nothing to warrent such treatment and neither has anyone esle I've noticed your disrepect toward. I merely intend to have honest discussions and pass on things I think are worth while as others do here also.

 

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and I send a complaint to managment.

Go for it shit-for-brains.

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You're out of line here buster, and there are rules in this site asking it's members to be repecful of other.

Yet another topic you know nothing about. To educate you, there is one forum on this site, called 'kill 'em with kindness'. That forum is the only place on this site where rules about respectful conversation are enforced. This is not that forum. And if it were, I'd have already warned you for being disrespectful to me. Since we aren't there, I returned your disrespect with disrespect. If you can't take it, shut your fool mouth.

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All you're doin here is trolling around and attempting do degrade as is common for you.

Oh look that's a perfect description of what you're doing.

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One would thinlk with all that psychology you'd know yourself better and understand to be civilized around others.

Which simply proves you also know nothing about psychology.

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I've done nothing to warrent such treatment

Yes you have. You disrespected me and you posted a load of horseshit that noone credible would agree with, then posted a link that proves how full of shit you are while pretending it corroborated your fantasy. If that doesn't deserve disrespect, nothing does.

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neither has anyone esle I've noticed your disrepect toward.

Everyone I'm disrespectful to has earned that disrespect a dozen times over. Go fuck yourself and your passive aggressive holier than thou hypocrisy.

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I merely intend to have honest discussions and pass on things I think are worth while as others do here also.

No you aren't. You are here to advertise your cult of smurfs and their idiotic beliefs. That is all you've ever done here. That is why you are labelled a theist.

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and I send a complaint to managment.
Go for it shit-for-brains.
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You're out of line here buster, and there are rules in this site asking it's members to be repecful of other.
Yet another topic you know nothing about. To educate you, there is one forum on this site, called 'kill 'em with kindness'. That forum is the only place on this site where rules about respectful conversation are enforced. This is not that forum. And if it were, I'd have already warned you for being disrespectful to me. Since we aren't there, I returned your disrespect with disrespect. If you can't take it, shut your fool mouth.
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All you're doin here is trolling around and attempting do degrade as is common for you.
Oh look that's a perfect description of what you're doing.
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One would thinlk with all that psychology you'd know yourself better and understand to be civilized around others.
Which simply proves you also know nothing about psychology.
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I've done nothing to warrent such treatment
Yes you have. You disrespected me and you posted a load of horseshit that noone credible would agree with, then posted a link that proves how full of shit you are while pretending it corroborated your fantasy. If that doesn't deserve disrespect, nothing does.
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neither has anyone esle I've noticed your disrepect toward.
Everyone I'm disrespectful to has earned that disrespect a dozen times over. Go fuck yourself and your passive aggressive holier than thou hypocrisy.
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I merely intend to have honest discussions and pass on things I think are worth while as others do here also.
No you aren't. You are here to advertise your cult of smurfs and their idiotic beliefs. That is all you've ever done here. That is why you are labelled a theist.

Vas, I'm going to chime in and then disappear from this conversation. The one line you crossed was insulting his daughter. While he brought her up (which wasn't logical), insulting her wasn't needed.

As for you Old Seer, you've been around here long enough to know Vas's process. He's intelligent but lacks any patience for those who aren't 1) logical 2) post fallacies or 3) are named Brian37

 


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and I send a complaint to managment.
Go for it shit-for-brains.
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You're out of line here buster, and there are rules in this site asking it's members to be repecful of other.
Yet another topic you know nothing about. To educate you, there is one forum on this site, called 'kill 'em with kindness'. That forum is the only place on this site where rules about respectful conversation are enforced. This is not that forum. And if it were, I'd have already warned you for being disrespectful to me. Since we aren't there, I returned your disrespect with disrespect. If you can't take it, shut your fool mouth.
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All you're doin here is trolling around and attempting do degrade as is common for you.
Oh look that's a perfect description of what you're doing.
Old Seer wrote:
One would thinlk with all that psychology you'd know yourself better and understand to be civilized around others.
Which simply proves you also know nothing about psychology.
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I've done nothing to warrent such treatment
Yes you have. You disrespected me and you posted a load of horseshit that noone credible would agree with, then posted a link that proves how full of shit you are while pretending it corroborated your fantasy. If that doesn't deserve disrespect, nothing does.
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neither has anyone esle I've noticed your disrepect toward.
Everyone I'm disrespectful to has earned that disrespect a dozen times over. Go fuck yourself and your passive aggressive holier than thou hypocrisy.
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I merely intend to have honest discussions and pass on things I think are worth while as others do here also.
No you aren't. You are here to advertise your cult of smurfs and their idiotic beliefs. That is all you've ever done here. That is why you are labelled a theist.

Vas, I'm going to chime in and then disappear from this conversation. The one line you crossed was insulting his daughter. While he brought her up (which wasn't logical), insulting her wasn't needed.

As for you Old Seer, you've been around here long enough to know Vas's process. He's intelligent but lacks any patience for those who aren't 1) logical 2) post fallacies or 3) are named Brian37

 

I was trying to get the conversation back to normal, he takes things the wrong way, and seems to think  to intent to to explain ones selve or information is an intent to harm. I definetly did not start the rukus, and anyone knows it's his forte to denigrate when he gets the chance. I try my best to tolerate and stay on subject but the worse he makes it. When I came on and saw he was still having problems within the works and tred to straighten it out be he thinks it's a counter attack when it's not intended as such. He takes any attempt to reason with him an attack. I can't imagine anyone doing what he does unless it's done by purposefull intent. That behaviour isn't normal for anyone. If he can't tolerate the minor foibles of others then he can stay out of the converstaion. I have people to answer to while being here and they would never tolerate such processes by me. I would hear about it due time.

I represent a number of other intellectuals who I respect their findings and 3 of them are highly successful pschyciatrists with many years of experience and now retired. I'm not tolerating his impatience anymore, and if he has a the psychology he says he has then he should know how to overcome the tendaces to denigrate others. How in the world is any new person going to feel comfortable posting here when they can expect to be attacked because Vastet disagrees with their postings and lauches an attack on their persons. The record is clear and posted where the initial insults came from when there was nothing in my subject matter to warrant it.  The record is evidence. When I post I expect critical analysis, and I don't expect to be right every time and no one is. Disagreement with another isn't an excuse to denegrate any person.   If we are asked to tolerate him then he can learn to tolerate floks who he thinks are stupid.

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Somehow I missed your tier thingy

digitalbeachbum wrote:

EXC wrote:

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Me

Then why do we need government regulators? You can regulate capitalism just by not buying from or working for companies that suck.

It's a tier thing.

Do you men "stratified society".

 

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digitalbeachbum wrote:Vas,

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Vas, I'm going to chime in and then disappear from this conversation. The one line you crossed was insulting his daughter. While he brought her up (which wasn't logical), insulting her wasn't needed.

The way I see it, the moment he used her to insult me, she became fair game. If he'd simply mentioned her in passing or attempted to use her education as an argument from authority; then it wouldn't have warranted the return fire. But he claimed she was actively insulting me, thereby allowing return fire.

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I have not disrepected him

A lie.

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I was trying to get the conversation back to normal

Hardly.

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he takes things the wrong way

No, you do.

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and seems to think  to intent to to explain ones selve or information is an intent to harm

Not even remotely true.

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I definetly did not start the rukus, and anyone knows it's his forte to denigrate when he gets the chance.

Lol. You did start the ruckus. And while it may be a specialty of mine to insult someone while proving the insults are true, I don't seek out such opportunities. They are always delivered to me. I always start off in a peaceful tone, unless someone comes in swinging.

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I try my best to tolerate and stay on subject but the worse he makes it.

Translation: you repeat your false information after I've refuted it, ignoring the refutation.

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When I came on and saw he was still having problems within the works and tred to straighten it out be he thinks it's a counter attack when it's not intended as such.

An insult couched in your own ignorance is not my problem, it's yours. I'm not the one having trouble understanding reality, you are. When you claim I'm having a problem understanding something when I understand something MUCH better than yourself, it is an attack. There's no other way to take it. I tried to take it as an opportunity to educate you, but you decided to ignore reality and suggest I'm the one who's uneducated, while posting a link that was evidence for my argument.

Some people refuse to be reasoned with. You're one of them.

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He takes any attempt to reason with him an attack.

Ridiculous.

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I can't imagine anyone doing what he does unless it's done by purposefull intent. That behaviour isn't normal for anyone.

Lol. How long have you lived in that cave?

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If he can't tolerate the minor foibles of others then he can stay out of the converstaion.

Not happening. You say something stupid, I'm calling you on it. Period. You are damn lucky you weren't posting this nonsense when there was still a few dozen people of my education level or higher posting regularly. You'd be swamped by information showing how false your claims are. A lot of the people calling your shit out would make my counterattacks mild by comparison.

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I have people to answer to while being here and they would never tolerate such processes by me. I would hear about it due time.

My opinions answer to noone but me. I spend my free time here, it isn't my job that I get paid for. I don't represent the Rational Response Squad in my posts, I represent myself. I volunteer a service for them, a position that I was given during a time when spam filled the site regularly. I was made a moderator to contain that spam, as most of the old mods had either permanently departed or only frequented the site irregularly.
These days the administration has found a way to block the spam so there's not much for me to do. I believe as wholeheartedly in free speech as Brian Sapient does. You have to cross a hell of a line to see me actually use the moderation tools. I can't remember the last time I did. digitalbeachbum can attest to how rarely I use those tools. You basically have to be breaking the law, or spamming or trolling in multiple topics simultaneously, or being incredibly insensitive to someone going through a crises to even provoke a warning from me.
As far as anyone, yourself included, is concerned; I'm an individual beholden to noone for my opinions.

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I represent a number of other intellectuals who I respect their findings and 3 of them are highly successful pschyciatrists with many years of experience and now retired.

When was the last time any of you studied entymology or sociology? Having a piece of the puzzle doesn't make you an expert on the puzzle.

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I'm not tolerating his impatience anymore, and if he has a the psychology he says he has then he should know how to overcome the tendaces to denigrate others.

I do. I also know how to exacerbate them. When confronted by willful ignorance and stubborn stupidity, I use everything at my disposal to contain or destroy it. The greatest problem our species is facing is the propagation of false information as if it were true. It is a serious and significant threat to our survival. I refuse to just idly stand by while members of my species try to destroy my species, intentionally or otherwise. I won't silence you or anyone else, I believe wholly in free speech. But I won't just be silent either.

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How in the world is any new person going to feel comfortable posting here when they can expect to be attacked because Vastet disagrees with their postings and lauches an attack on their persons.

Never happened, never will happen. I don't start insulting people until I'm insulted. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

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The record is clear and posted where the initial insults came from when there was nothing in my subject matter to warrant it.  The record is evidence.

False. Just because you never saw the instigating incident doesn't mean there wasn't one that can still be referenced years later. Maybe you should spend some time reading through topics that predate you. There's a good 6 years of those topics. The fact is that you can not point to a single occasion where I attacked someone unprovoked in my nearly 11 year stint here.

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When I post I expect critical analysis, and I don't expect to be right every time and no one is.

You have yet to post a useful analysis of anything. 90% of the time it's a giant wall of text that noone reads because they get half a paragraph in before they conclude you don't know what you're talking about, or you're talking about something bizarre. You aren't generally a dick so people don't jump at the opportunity to ridicule you, the way they do beligerent theists, But the lack of response to so many of your posts should tell you something.

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Disagreement with another isn't an excuse to denegrate any person.   If we are asked to tolerate him then he can learn to tolerate floks who he thinks are stupid.

You have never been asked to tolerate me, and you won't be. You are free to ignore me, or leave, or whatever else you want to do. It won't make me ignore you, but we're all free to do and say what we like. That's why this is the best forum on the internet.

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Observe his recent post. Any attempt to to straighten things out only brings on another attack.

Says the guy who has 2 of his last 3 posts nearly exclusively dedicated to personal attacks. lol

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Old Seer wrote:I was trying

Old Seer wrote:

I was trying to get the conversation back to normal, he takes things the wrong way, and seems to think  to intent to to explain ones selve or information is an intent to harm.

I represent a number of other intellectuals who I respect their findings and 3 of them are highly successful pschyciatrists with many years of experience and now retired.

I'm not tolerating his impatience anymore

These are the general rules seperate from Killem with Kindness rules. We still have to be repectful of others---regardless. Notice the term, distructive shenanigans etal.

I don't think telling him that your daughter was laughing at him did any good. He needs to grow a tougher skin. I don't think his response to that comment was worthwhile.

I'm not a shrink and I don't know of any of us who are either.

That's the problem. Tolerating others is the key to success.

Killing them with kindness would be great but we live in a world of egos. I have had some issues with people here and I just stop talking to them, I won't even read their postings.

As you might have noticed, most of the people don't post here any more because of this shit. Personally I dislike it. I'd rather see more people on here discussing stuff, but because of the rough talk we've lost people over the years.

 


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Vastet wrote:The way I see

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The way I see it, the moment he used her to insult me, she became fair game. If he'd simply mentioned her in passing or attempted to use her education as an argument from authority; then it wouldn't have warranted the return fire. But he claimed she was actively insulting me, thereby allowing return fire.

I don't know if she was behind him laughing or if he was speaking metaphorically, but I would have ignored it. Kinda pointless to respond to a person who isn't actually posting here.

Both of you need to grow thicker skin.


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You are welcome to your

You are welcome to your opinion. I have a different one. He wanted to get a rise out of me by bringing his kid into it, so I smacked his kid too. That's how shit works.

Most of the people who stopped posting didn't stop because it can get rough. These days the site is tame in comparison to what it once was. Most stopped because the theists stopped coming.

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I'm putting this aside

and letting it be. Only one more item, He dosen't insult unless he's insulted first. Check his post 22, but you know you don't need to. Well , maybe I do need a thicker skin as you say. Thanks for your concern. OK, lets move on, what's next.

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There was no insult in post

There was no insult in post 22. Grow a brain.

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