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Instead of bitching all the time about how greedy employers have turned you into a slave, why not sue them?

Your wages have been driven down by the hiring of illegal aliens for unskilled labor positions. So why not sue employers in your line of work that have hired illegals on done things like pay them less than minimum wage and other labor code violations? Seems like your due a lot of money compensatory and punative damages from these criminal employers. Even the ones you didn't work for because they still illegally drove down your wages.

I've ask many people why aren't employers jailed and sued for hiring illegals. Everyone just scratches their heads because the government/media complex doesn't want to talk about it. It is another taboo topic, an unenforeced law. The powers that be want cheap labor at any cost.

We'll get a debate about building a wall on the border, but never a debate about jailing employers of illegals. The politicians and media conservative and liberal won't discuss this. I sent letters to my congresspersons, they just send me back a form letter about how they want to raise the minimum wage and equal pay for women. Raising the minimum wage just means employers will hire more illegals to get around this law.

Donald Trump is the biggest hipocrite out there. Even if he didn't hire many illegals, his subcontractors did. He got rich off the cheap labor rates they produced especially in construction/hotel industry.

Why don't illegals sue past employers for labor code violations? Shouldn't we give them the right to sue?

 

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 First off the term is

 First off the term is "leagl advice", not " leagle advise".

Secondly, boarders are arbitary human invented constructs and humans will always migrate to where they think they can get them.

It isnt a matter of suing anyone. It is a matter of changing attitudes of weath and power so that more humans no matter where they live or migrate to can survive.

It isnt a race or natonality issue, it is a class issue. 

 

 

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Brian37 wrote: First off

Brian37 wrote:

 First off the term is "leagl advice", not " leagle advise".

LMFAO. Do you mean "legal advice"?

 

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Secondly, boarders are arbitary human invented constructs and humans will always migrate to where they think they can get them.

No. Boarders are people who receive meals while staying somewhere in exchange for money or services, or they are pirates, or it is a shortened name for someone who is a snowboarder, surfboarder etc. Borders are arbitrary constructs, but then again, so is government and you are a big supporter of that, so I don't know how borders being arbitrary has anything to do with the conversation.  

 

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It isnt a matter of suing anyone. It is a matter of changing attitudes of weath and power so that more humans no matter where they live or migrate to can survive.

It isnt a race or natonality issue, it is a class issue. 

So you support hiring illegal aliens?  

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Brian37 wrote: First off

Brian37 wrote:

 First off the term is "leagl advice", not " leagle advise".

Secondly, boarders are arbitary human invented constructs and humans will always migrate to where they think they can get them.

It isnt a matter of suing anyone. It is a matter of changing attitudes of weath and power so that more humans no matter where they live or migrate to can survive.

It isnt a race or natonality issue, it is a class issue. 

 

 




i can't believe you of all people had the gall to correct someone else's spelling...and didn't even get that right.

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EXC wrote:I've ask many

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I've ask many people why aren't employers jailed and sued for hiring illegals. Everyone just scratches their heads because the government/media complex doesn't want to talk about it. It is another taboo topic, an unenforeced law. The powers that be want cheap labor at any cost.
Arguably, because they (and/or we) would rather have illegals do the work than have higher prices at the store.  If employers committed to only hiring citizens, the obligations of minimum wage, 40-hour work week and safe working conditions would adjust prices substantially.  It would be interesting to see how many Americans would be willing to work for the wages illegals are paid; i.e., if minimum wage were abolished. 

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iwbiek wrote:Brian37

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Brian37 wrote:

 First off the term is "leagl advice", not " leagle advise".

Secondly, boarders are arbitary human invented constructs and humans will always migrate to where they think they can get them.

It isnt a matter of suing anyone. It is a matter of changing attitudes of weath and power so that more humans no matter where they live or migrate to can survive.

It isnt a race or natonality issue, it is a class issue. 

 

 




i can't believe you of all people had the gall to correct someone else's spelling...and didn't even get that right.


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I've ask many people why aren't employers jailed and sued for hiring illegals. Everyone just scratches their heads because the government/media complex doesn't want to talk about it. It is another taboo topic, an unenforeced law. The powers that be want cheap labor at any cost.
Arguably, because they (and/or we) would rather have illegals do the work than have hire prices at the store.  If employers committed to only hiring citizens, the obligations of minimum wage, 40-hour work week and safe working conditions would adjust prices substantially.  It would be interesting to see how many Americans would be willing to work for the wages illegals are paid; i.e., if minimum wage were abolished. 


Better to abolish inflation, right after raising minimum wage to a reasonable level. Like $20/hour.

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Brian37 wrote: It isnt a

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It isnt a matter of suing anyone. It is a matter of changing attitudes of weath and power so that more humans no matter where they live or migrate to can survive.

 

So we don't need government or deadly force to enforce rules like minimum wage? We should just suggest what people should do and then bitch about how bad they are on the internet if the break the rules? No punishment except to be called a greedy dick by you?

So you don't have any problem with the laws favoring the rich, because you are due a lot of money under the current laws, you just don't want to go to court and claim your fortune?

Why would any rich person ever change their attitude about breaking the labor laws if they know they won't be sued or jailed?

 

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Well we can now definitively

Well we can now definitively say that EXC is smarter than Brian.

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Vastet wrote:Well we can now

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Well we can now definitively say that EXC is smarter than Brian.

Actually, I think Brian is a closet right wing/economic libertarian, he is too confused to understand he's even in the closet. He doesn't seem to think government needs to use deadly force to enforce laws like minimum wage. Employers can do as they please.

He seems to think economic inequality can be achieved just by calling people dicks or heros based on if they pay market rate or higher. Politically, he doesn't seem to differ at all from economic free market types, he mearly suggests employers pay a higher wage to avoid his nasty comments.

I'm actually more socialist for wanting the govenment to jail people that hire illegal aliens. I'm all for regulation of the supply of cheap labor.

 

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Vastet wrote:Well we can now

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Well we can now definitively say that EXC is smarter than Brian.

Maybe not.


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Vastet wrote:Well we can now

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Well we can now definitively say that EXC is smarter than Brian.

Maybe not.


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Beyond Saving wrote:Vastet

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Well we can now definitively say that EXC is smarter than Brian.

Maybe not.

Yes BS, throw insults and make up shit about my postion if you can't defend your own positon.

And please do remind everyone what an idiot I am since you must believe they all are too much of an idiot to decide for themselves.

Whomever throws the most and nastiest insults wins the title of most rational and will be the last poster standing, that's how it works here in 'rational' land.

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EXC wrote:Beyond Saving

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Vastet wrote:
Well we can now definitively say that EXC is smarter than Brian.

Maybe not.

Yes BS, throw insults and make up shit about my postion if you can't defend your own positon.

And please do remind everyone what an idiot I am since you must believe they all are too much of an idiot to decide for themselves.

Whomever throws the most and nastiest insults wins the title of most rational and will be the last poster standing, that's how it works here in 'rational' land.

I didn't say anything about yoour position, I've shredded that in the past. I only pointed out the complete ridiculousness of your claim that brian is a libertarian. Which is either an intentional lie, or proves you are dumber than shit.

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EXC wrote:Beyond Saving

EXC wrote:

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Vastet wrote:
Well we can now definitively say that EXC is smarter than Brian.

Maybe not.

Yes BS, throw insults and make up shit about my postion if you can't defend your own positon.

And please do remind everyone what an idiot I am since you must believe they all are too much of an idiot to decide for themselves.

Whomever throws the most and nastiest insults wins the title of most rational and will be the last poster standing, that's how it works here in 'rational' land.

I didn't say anything about yoour position, I've shredded that in the past. I only pointed out the complete ridiculousness of your claim that brian is a libertarian. Which is either an intentional lie, or proves you are dumber than shit.

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Beyond Saving wrote:I only

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I only pointed out the complete ridiculousness of your claim that brian is a libertarian. Which is either an intentional lie, or proves you are dumber than shit.



QFT. the only kind of personal liberty brian seems to defend is the freedom to "blaspheme." he doesn't come out and say he wants the government to enforce his half-baked ideas because he has no clue how to enforce his ideas. i've never called brian an adherent of any ideology because he's never thought anything through. an ideologue has a coherent position.

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I object. That EXC can't

I object. That EXC can't understand Brian doesn't mean he's dumber than Brian. Dumb, sure. But dumber than Brian? The post counts just don't support that hypothesis.

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Beyond Saving wrote: I

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I didn't say anything about yoour position, I've shredded that in the past. I only pointed out the complete ridiculousness of your claim that brian is a libertarian. Which is either an intentional lie, or proves you are dumber than shit.

So I see you've fallen for the same irrational trap that the leftist use against you. You've become just as irrational as them.

If you oppose some welfare entitlement, say school lunch program, does this mean you want "children to starve"? Even though you're pretty nasty to me, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you probably don't get a morbid thrill out of seeing chlldren with bloated bellies. So there is a distinction between what you want(no starving chldren) and you want the government to do(no massive welfare entitlements). Am I correct?

A fine example of this are the anti-abortionists. Few if any have ever thought about what they really want the goverment to do. They just follow marcing orders from corporate religious headquarters. I ask the 'Do you want to jail women the had abortions?" No. 'If abortion were legal in Mexico and Canda, do we force women to take a pregnancy test at the border?' No. Do we sent the military into Canada to shut down their clinics? No. Remember this is what we do to make drugs illegal.

So isn't the whole debate over abortion quite silly if 99% of the so called anti-abortion crowd are really libertarians on this issue? The pro-life crowd are just moral masterbaters to make themselves feel moral superiority. Apparently, Brian is the same way with employers paying less than minimum wage to illegal aliens. What does it mean to say you are pro-living wage if you don't want to see the people that break the law jailed and fined?

The problem is you are still brainwashed by your 6th grade civics indocrtination on government. Since you haven't figured it out yet, here is what government is:

Men with guns enforcing a set rules about what everyone(except of course the rule makers) must do or not do. Government is not a magically entity that should provide you everything you wish for as Brian believes.

Therefore it follows that, the definition of one's politial view are the rules one supports for enforcement. Not what one wishes people would do or not do as Brian and you appently believe. So unless your definition of government is people calling others dicks or heros on the internet, I don't see how you can say Brian is not a libertarian on the issue of minimum wage.

Why would it be surprising that people are not really as they present themselves? Haven't you been around any pious Christians and then find out they aren't so moral and pious after all? My whole adult life has been continuous revalations that people and entities are not what the seem on the surface. People create a kind of Fraudian shield to cover their inner id.

Like coming to this forum of 'rational' atheists only to discover it is actually dominated by the most irrational people that absolutely despise having their beliefs challenged more than any religious person.

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