Death Sentence/How to kill a person

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There was a report on NPR tonight and they had several guests answer questions from the listeners.

What I do not understand is why we can't find a quick way to kill people. Utah has brought back the firing squad and they use five high powered rifles which one is a blank so no one knows if they did or didn't shoot the person. Then they put a target on the chest and they have the people shoot that target from 25 feet.

There are sand bags protecting the shooters as when the heart is hit, there is often a lot of blood gushing out. The person dies usually in 60 seconds. They die sitting in a chair with supports to keep them from falling off the chair.

Other states are talking about different gases and using carbon dioxide or monoxide, can't remember which one.

One of the callers said that he worked for a vet and they put down dogs and cats quickly and easy, which is very true. One of the guests said that because we are stringent on rules for humans but not so much for animals. It was sort of dumb because she was avoiding the question and I'm guessing her response was political.

However I've always thought the Poison Dart Frog is the best way to kill a human. One prick from a pin with no more than two granules of poison (no more than two grains of salt) would instantly kill a 500lb man. However the poison is hard to come by as it appears the frogs get their toxicity from the bugs they eat in the tropical rain forest. Attempts to breed them in captivity here in the states have made them harmless with no toxicity.

I can't believe this is such a difficult issue. Beheading seems to work quickly but they said they are afraid the person is still alive for several minutes afterward.

And in closing the idea that executions are wrong because what if you put a person to death and then find out years later they didn't do it.


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well, i'm stringently

well, i'm stringently anti-death penalty, but i'm also realistic and i know it's not going to disappear from the states anytime soon. the way we do it is monumentally stupid.

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iwbiek wrote:well, i'm

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well, i'm stringently anti-death penalty, but i'm also realistic and i know it's not going to disappear from the states anytime soon. the way we do it is monumentally stupid.

I've seen some crazy suggestions.

1 - Drop a 5,000 slab on them. Very messy but death is instant.

2 - Inject an air bubble in the blood. No blood but stupid and not instant. Can take days to die.

3 - Draw and quarter. Painful. Bloody.

4 - Keel haul. Ridiculous and made up by drunk pirates who thought it would be different than making people walk the plank.

5 - Concrete shoes then dump them in the ocean. Painful. Agony. Could last up to several minutes.

6 - Run them over with a steam roller. Messy. Painful. Can be quick if done correctly.

7 - Encase them in carbonite. Instant. Not too painful. Will keep them alive, but easy to store away. Can dispose of by injecting them in to the sun.

8 - Bury them alive, but drug them with a knock out drug. When the drug wears off they will be six feet under. Very agonizing. Very painful.

9 - Remove their feet and hands. Remove their tongue. Remove their eyes. Then put them on the street corner so they can hear every shriek of every child at seeing their hideousness, every baby that weeps, every woman who, "Dear god! What is that thing?" Very painful. Tons of revenge.

10 - Teleport them from one location to another so they are inside out, which then they explode. Very messy. Very painful.


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ugh, keelhauling is some

ugh, keelhauling is some nasty business. you basically get dragged along the ship's hull and sliced up by barnacles and shit. nobody punishes like the navy.

"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
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iwbiek wrote:ugh,

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ugh, keelhauling is some nasty business. you basically get dragged along the ship's hull and sliced up by barnacles and shit. nobody punishes like the navy.

I used to play a game called Privateers and Gentlemen. I had this guy who was a complete Navy freak. Since I had been in the USMC he gave me full leeway to do what ever the hell I wanted with my troops and such. There was this gaming session where he threw me a curve ball. Apparently one of the Marines I commanded had been spying and sending information to the enemy. The Captain of our ship let his crew decide how to punish him. If he survived then he was let go at the next port. I argued that he didn't do it, blah blah and they said well you can be keel hauled with him. I didn't know what it was so my friend let me read some real diary notes from Navy guys who witnessed it.

What a fucking mess. It was rare, but some did survive but they were mangled for life and unable to do any thing but beg for food.

 


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 I think most of the issue

 I think most of the issue stems from the government wanting it to appear peaceful. Death isn't, no matter how you do it. Death is shit, piss and other bodily fluids going all over with a lot of flopping around. The idea with lethal injection was to dope people up so much that their body remains comatose. They never counted on greedy evil private corporations having morals.

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Beyond Saving wrote:  I

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 I think most of the issue stems from the government wanting it to appear peaceful. Death isn't, no matter how you do it. Death is shit, piss and other bodily fluids going all over with a lot of flopping around. The idea with lethal injection was to dope people up so much that their body remains comatose. They never counted on greedy evil private corporations having morals.

There was a guest on NPR who said that he had been to an execution and also saw an uncle (I believe) legally be overdosed on drugs because he was terminal with cancer.

He said there was no difference between the two events. He actually was in shock because when he was watching the second death he said to himself 'wow, this is the same thing'. He said there was shivering of the body, shaking, drooling, eyes rolling, etc.

The people who don't like the death sentence said they didn't like the execution of their "loved one" because of the body shivering, the shaking, the drooling, eyes rolling, etc.

His point was, "death isn't pretty" and trying to make it smell like roses and look like a sunset is just plain bullshit.

Personally I think executions are only left for the worst offenders. I think most of them should be put in to a tiny cell, let out once a day for one hour to exercise, no personal contact. Every thing automated. Cameras. Food delivered by air tubes in canisters. If people who want to see revenge on their loved ones who were murdered sadistically and brutally, executions aren't revenge. They are a escape clause for the damned.

 


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digitalbeachbum wrote:. I

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. I think most of them should be put in to a tiny cell, let out once a day for one hour to exercise, no personal contact. Every thing automated. Cameras. Food delivered by air tubes in canisters. 

 

 

  Not fully automated, but Black Dolphin prison in Russia is pretty damn close to what you're describing.

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. I think most of them should be put in to a tiny cell, let out once a day for one hour to exercise, no personal contact. Every thing automated. Cameras. Food delivered by air tubes in canisters. 

 

 

  Not fully automated, but Black Dolphin prison in Russia is pretty damn close to what you're describing.

I don't agree with the petty criminals they have there and the slave labor but I guess that is the way Russians do it.

I do agree with the mass murderers and the hardened criminals though. I mean, really bad people who would kill any one for any reason. Yeah. Lock them up and make them do hard time, no tv, no weight room, no comforts of home.


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iwbiek wrote:well, i'm

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well, i'm stringently anti-death penalty, but i'm also realistic and i know it's not going to disappear from the states anytime soon. the way we do it is monumentally stupid.

There is one thing we agree on. We over criminalized everything, and our legal system hurts mostly the working poor and some of the lower middle class. And it isn't cost effective in any case. I'd still rather let one guilty person go free rather than convict one innocent person.

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It's all for a good cause.

It's all for a good cause. The brutality of the US justice system will be the very thing that allows massive groups of people working together to revolt and dismantle the current system when unsustainable policies break the system. It has already created an underground market, an underground communications network, and even its own underground education system. A whole army awaits their moment to seize power. Only questions are when it will begin and who will take command.

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Beyond Saving wrote: I

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 I think most of the issue stems from the government wanting it to appear peaceful. Death isn't, no matter how you do it. Death is shit, piss and other bodily fluids going all over with a lot of flopping around. The idea with lethal injection was to dope people up so much that their body remains comatose. They never counted on greedy evil private corporations having morals.

Bullshit! By your logic the fact the Saudi Royal Family owns and runs businesses they are moral. Gadaffi was a billionaire too. 

Everything humans do is run by humans, IN EVERY ASPECT OF SOCIETY. If business by itself constituted morality businesses would not be subject to lawsuits or recalls. 

Your religion, your political party, your nationality, your race, your status, are your labels, they are not automatic moral codes.

The great depression was a result of wealthy people not giving a fuck about anyone else. 

You are stupidly thinking a pattern for you works for everyone else and just like theocracies and state worship, your god is your title.

The reason you don't have the death penalty isn't because of class, the reason you don't do it is because it is an act of revenge, and far too often the people who get hurt by it have the least resources to defend themselves from it. Just like a Muslim women getting shot in the middle of a soccer game. 

If you can accept that Religion does not automatically make Muslims moral, then why would your paycheck be any different?

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Brian37 wrote:Beyond Saving

Brian37 wrote:

Beyond Saving wrote:

 I think most of the issue stems from the government wanting it to appear peaceful. Death isn't, no matter how you do it. Death is shit, piss and other bodily fluids going all over with a lot of flopping around. The idea with lethal injection was to dope people up so much that their body remains comatose. They never counted on greedy evil private corporations having morals.

Bullshit! By your logic the fact the Saudi Royal Family owns and runs businesses they are moral. Gadaffi was a billionaire too. 

Everything humans do is run by humans, IN EVERY ASPECT OF SOCIETY. If business by itself constituted morality businesses would not be subject to lawsuits or recalls. 

Your religion, your political party, your nationality, your race, your status, are your labels, they are not automatic moral codes.

The great depression was a result of wealthy people not giving a fuck about anyone else. 

You are stupidly thinking a pattern for you works for everyone else and just like theocracies and state worship, your god is your title.

The reason you don't have the death penalty isn't because of class, the reason you don't do it is because it is an act of revenge, and far too often the people who get hurt by it have the least resources to defend themselves from it. Just like a Muslim women getting shot in the middle of a soccer game. 

If you can accept that Religion does not automatically make Muslims moral, then why would your paycheck be any different?




wow. that didn't have a single fucking thing to do with anything he said. i think you just saw that beyond posted something, hit ctrl-v, and went on to something else.

"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
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 Quote:They never counted

 

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They never counted on greedy evil private corporations having morals.

No, everyone here is stupidly thinking I am attacking all weath, and Beyond stupidly thinks that makes him moral. 

Business can be just as evil as religion and political parties. That is because HUMANS think those patters that work for them are the way everyone should do it. No one should ever say all business is bad. But in any of those aspects of life, if you don't keep a check on them, humans will create a monopoly with all of those things at the expense of others.

Name me one aspect of life, that humans are involved in, that is immune to human behavior, good or bad. When you can find me one, you will win the patent on morality.

 

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Brian37 wrote: Quote:They

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They never counted on greedy evil private corporations having morals.

No, everyone here is stupidly thinking I am attacking all weath, and Beyond stupidly thinks that makes him moral.

I have never claimed to be moral. I am most assuredly not according to most. Insofar as killing, I could kill them without losing any sleep. I already agreed once in my life to kill completely innocent people for no reason other than a clearly amoral organization told me to, I grappled with that moral question and concluded that I am capable. They didn't ask me, they asked corporations that produce these drugs for lifesaving reasons, who apparently do have a moral issue.

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Brian37 wrote:Beyond Saving

Brian37 wrote:

Beyond Saving wrote:

 I think most of the issue stems from the government wanting it to appear peaceful. Death isn't, no matter how you do it. Death is shit, piss and other bodily fluids going all over with a lot of flopping around. The idea with lethal injection was to dope people up so much that their body remains comatose. They never counted on greedy evil private corporations having morals.

Bullshit! By your logic the fact the Saudi Royal Family owns and runs businesses they are moral. Gadaffi was a billionaire too. 

Everything humans do is run by humans, IN EVERY ASPECT OF SOCIETY. If business by itself constituted morality businesses would not be subject to lawsuits or recalls. 

Your religion, your political party, your nationality, your race, your status, are your labels, they are not automatic moral codes.

The great depression was a result of wealthy people not giving a fuck about anyone else. 

You are stupidly thinking a pattern for you works for everyone else and just like theocracies and state worship, your god is your title.

The reason you don't have the death penalty isn't because of class, the reason you don't do it is because it is an act of revenge, and far too often the people who get hurt by it have the least resources to defend themselves from it. Just like a Muslim women getting shot in the middle of a soccer game. 

If you can accept that Religion does not automatically make Muslims moral, then why would your paycheck be any different?

I can't not chime in.

WTF dude? Did you cut and paste in the wrong thread?