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So an atheist killed three muslims apparently over a parking spot. The atheist blogspot reaction is predictable, he's missing the point of atheism. I disagree with the authour here. Atheism isn't a belief system. It could be that he was anti-religious and that was his motivation, or it could be he really wanted that parking spot. Either way, his actions don't contradict atheism, or any sense of him being an atheist any more than if he gave infinity tons of food to starving orphans in Syria.

 

Atheism isn't a belief system, and it shouldn't be tried to be made into one.

 

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Right, yeah, I agree. He

Right, yeah, I agree. He says, "This isn't what atheists should be." Definitively, there is no "should" or "shouldn't" anything with regard to atheism.

I would've tried to give him the benefit of the doubt and just interpreted it as his feelings on how people ought to treat others, but he goes too far in the third paragraph, followed by this.

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Religion can do that. Ideology can do that. Even atheism can do that.

Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare


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Cpt_pineapple wrote:So an

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So an atheist killed three muslims apparently over a parking spot. The atheist blogspot reaction is predictable, he's missing the point of atheism. I disagree with the authour here. Atheism isn't a belief system. It could be that he was anti-religious and that was his motivation, or it could be he really wanted that parking spot. Either way, his actions don't contradict atheism, or any sense of him being an atheist any more than if he gave infinity tons of food to starving orphans in Syria.

 

Atheism isn't a belief system, and it shouldn't be tried to be made into one.

 

http://freethoughtblogs.com/entequilaesverdad/2015/02/11/remember-that-behind-beliefs-are-people/ 

The guy was mental. I mean to kill three people over a parking space? That's nuts.

The killings have nothing to do with religion.


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ok, why is the fact that

ok, why is the fact that he's an atheist even news? like, was he screaming, "i'm an atheist!" when he killed those people or something? "nothing akbar, motherfuckers!"

"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
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iwbiek wrote:ok, why is the

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ok, why is the fact that he's an atheist even news? like, was he screaming, "i'm an atheist!" when he killed those people or something? "nothing akbar, motherfuckers!"

I like the responses from various atheist leaders who say the same thing. Look people... why are you calling the atheist groups for a comment just because he 'liked' their Facebook page? When religious nuts kill there children does the media go to the pope or the other church leaders to get a response? No.

The media is looking to hype it and give atheists a stab.


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Cpt_pineapple wrote:Atheism

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Atheism isn't a belief system, and it shouldn't be tried to be made into one.

 

This is what all good atheists must believe.

 

I'm not trying to justify this guy, But why the hell are we letting in so many immigrants? I mean they leave their own country because population preesures is pushing them out. So they come over here and we end up having a million problems that are made worse by population pressures(e.g. parking).

 

Should we expect any other outcome except violence when we flood the country with more people, except that all the  people fight and kill?

 

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EXC wrote: I'm not trying

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I'm not trying to justify this guy, But why the hell are we letting in so many immigrants? I mean they leave their own country because population preesures is pushing them out. So they come over here and we end up having a million problems that are made worse by population pressures(e.g. parking).

 

Should we expect any other outcome except violence when we flood the country with more people, except that all the  people fight and kill?

 

 

 

what in the actual fuck??


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iwbiek wrote:ok, why is the

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ok, why is the fact that he's an atheist even news? like, was he screaming, "i'm an atheist!" when he killed those people or something? "nothing akbar, motherfuckers!"

Now now lets not criticise religion , they might get offended like I offend you. 

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Brian37 wrote:iwbiek

Brian37 wrote:

iwbiek wrote:
ok, why is the fact that he's an atheist even news? like, was he screaming, "i'm an atheist!" when he killed those people or something? "nothing akbar, motherfuckers!"

Now now lets not criticise religion , they might get offended like I offend you. 




how about instead of butting into my discussions with others, you actually finish one of ours?

"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
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Cpt_pineapple wrote:EXC

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EXC wrote:

 

I'm not trying to justify this guy, But why the hell are we letting in so many immigrants? I mean they leave their own country because population preesures is pushing them out. So they come over here and we end up having a million problems that are made worse by population pressures(e.g. parking).

 

Should we expect any other outcome except violence when we flood the country with more people, except that all the  people fight and kill?

 

 

 

what in the actual fuck??

How crowded without an exit does a place need to be before you start killing?

 

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somebody killing three

somebody killing three people over a parking space cannot be demonstrably linked to overpopulation. you might as well say it's EVOLUTION.

"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
--Hunter S. Thompson


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iwbiek wrote:somebody

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somebody killing three people over a parking space cannot be demonstrably linked to overpopulation. you might as well say it's EVOLUTION.

Clearly there couldn't be more than one explanation to explain every problem in the world, that would require thinking and hitting keys other than Ctrl v.

If, if a white man puts his arm around me voluntarily, that's brotherhood. But if you - if you hold a gun on him and make him embrace me and pretend to be friendly or brotherly toward me, then that's not brotherhood, that's hypocrisy.- Malcolm X


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Beyond Saving wrote:iwbiek

Beyond Saving wrote:

iwbiek wrote:
somebody killing three people over a parking space cannot be demonstrably linked to overpopulation. you might as well say it's EVOLUTION.

Clearly there couldn't be more than one explanation to explain every problem in the world, that would require thinking and hitting keys other than Ctrl v.

OK, time to update my paste buffer. I'm sure I must sound like Brian37's Religion is the root of all evil or Vastet's wealthy hoarders are the root of all evil. You're right overpopulation, religion and hoarding are all driven by the genes we evolved.

There is no political or social will to eliminate them, so just accept this.

So I'll blame it all on the human genome. So the solution is obvious, genetically modified babies without any desire to be religious, republican, hoarders, violent, overpopulate the earth or watch Fox news.

At least my paste buffer is better than the PC one of 'blame it all on mental illness'.

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lol wealthy hoarders are the

lol wealthy hoarders are the root of all evil lol. Yet another lie by the master of lies.

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. . with a purple turban

Beyond Saving wrote:

iwbiek wrote:
.. you might as well say it's EVOLUTION.

Clearly there couldn't be more than one explanation to explain every problem in the world, that would require thinking and hitting keys other than Ctrl v.

 

 

 Midas, Pan and Apollo; Midas and the Ass's Ears, from Ovid, the Metamorphoses, Book XI

 

Bk XI:146-171 Pan and Apollo compete before Tmolus

 "Hating wealth, Midas lived among woods and fields, and the mountain caves Pan always inhabits. But he remained
dull-witted, and, as before, his foolish mind was destined once again to hurt its owner. Mount Tmolus, stands steep and high,
commanding a wide view of the distant sea, its sloping sides extending to Sardis on the one side, and as far as tiny Hypaepae on
the other. While Pan was there, playing light airs on his reeds glued together with wax, he boasted of his pipings, to the gentle
nymphs, and dared to speak slightingly of Apollo’s song compared with his own, and entered an unequal contest with Tmolus, the
god of the mountain, as judge.
The aged judge was seated on his mountain-top and shook his ears free of the trees. Only an oak-wreath circled his dark hair,
and acorns brushed against his hollow temples. Looking at the god of the flocks he said: ‘There is nothing to prevent my judging.’
Pan sounded the rustic reeds, and entranced Midas (who chanced to be near the playing) with wild pipings. Following this, sacred
Tmolus turned his face towards that of Phoebus: his forests followed.
Phoebus’s golden hair was wreathed with laurel from Parnassus, and his robes dyed with Tyrian purple, swept the earth. He
held his lyre, inlaid with gems and Indian ivory, in his left hand, and the plectrum in the other. His attitude was that of a true artist.
Then with skilled fingers, he plucked the strings, and Tmolus, captivated by their sweetness, ordered Pan to lower his pipes in
submission to the lyre.

Bk XI:172-193 Midas and the ass’s ears

The judgment of the sacred mountain-god satisfied all opinions, and yet Midas’s voice alone challenged it and called it
unjust. The god of Delos did not allow such undiscriminating ears to keep their human form, but drew them out and covered them
with shaggy grey hair, and made them flexible at the base, and gave them powers of movement. Though the rest was human, he
was punished in that sole aspect: he wore the ears of a slow-moving ass. He was anxious to conceal his ass's ears, and tried to detract
from the shameful ugliness of his head with a purple turban. But the servant who used to trim his long hair with a blade, found it
out, who, since he dare not reveal the disgrace he had seen, but eager to broadcast it to the four winds, and unable to keep it to
himself, went off quietly and dug a hole in the soil. In a tiny voice, he whispered to the hollow earth, and buried his spoken
evidence under the infill, and stole away having closed up the hidden trench. But a thick bed of quivering reeds began to shoot up
there, and as soon as they had grown, at the end of the year, they gave the burrower away: stirred gently, then, by the wind they
repeated the buried words, and testified against his master"

 

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Vastet wrote:lol wealthy

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lol wealthy hoarders are the root of all evil lol. Yet another lie by the master of lies.

So I'm now the I'm Satan of you delusional little world. Quite an honor.

But then their is:

Vastet wrote:

Your lack of empathy is irrelevant to a minority hoarding resources until it forces a revolution.

And this one:

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The goal is the elimination of poverty and the wealth hoarding that causes it.

Time to take those memory pills again.

 

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 No fan of Che or Marx or

 No fan of Che or Marx or Ayn Rand for that matter. Humans are diverse in their desires views and goals, that has to be taken into account. It is no different than any ecosystem. It isn't either/or. It isn't nanny state vs anarchy. Mixed economies, some inequity, inforced with balance and anti monopoly concepts. 

But, only an idiot thinks the current state of global corportism isn't hording or a race to the bottom. It is. There is a huge difference between an exploitive extraction market, which is what we have now, and healthy productivity which is about improving and problem solving. 

I've attacked idiots who want to end the private sector, as if you could on a planet of  7 billion, and use the products of wealth like FB and twitter. But no, we don't have to live as if we are our own islands that never affect others. The problem isn't all wealth, the classes are needed. My problem is there is far too much wealth monopolizing law making as if no one else has a right to vote their own self intrests. 

When you have 85 uber billionaires controling half the world's GDP, that is a waste of resources which could be used to wipe out poverty. I have noted pleanty of wealthy people who have the right attitude. I simply think there are not enough with that mindset. I have absolutely no simpathy for those at the top who bitch knowing they have way more money than they actually need. The ones who don't bitch and understand, I have no problem with. Weath is not the issue, attitudes are the issue. 

There is no such thing as a utopia, where one political party, economic view, religion will get 100% of what it wants all the time. Sagan's Pale Blue dot is our reality and we are in the same boat. 

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Brian37 wrote: No fan of

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 No fan of Che or Marx or Ayn Rand for that matter. Humans are diverse in their desires views and goals, that has to be taken into account. It is no different than any ecosystem. It isn't either/or. It isn't nanny state vs anarchy. Mixed economies, some inequity, inforced with balance and anti monopoly concepts. 

Of course you aren't. You don't even know what any of them believed.

 

Brian37 wrote:
 

I've attacked idiots who want to end the private sector, as if you could on a planet of  7 billion, and use the products of wealth like FB and twitter. But no, we don't have to live as if we are our own islands that never affect others. The problem isn't all wealth, the classes are needed. My problem is there is far too much wealth monopolizing law making as if no one else has a right to vote their own self intrests. 

Yet you keep voting for the people passing those laws. Why, you routinely defend those very laws. 

 

Brian37 wrote:

When you have 85 uber billionaires controling half the world's GDP, that is a waste of resources which could be used to wipe out poverty. I have noted pleanty of wealthy people who have the right attitude. I simply think there are not enough with that mindset. I have absolutely no simpathy for those at the top who bitch knowing they have way more money than they actually need. The ones who don't bitch and understand, I have no problem with. Weath is not the issue, attitudes are the issue. 

Really? Prove it. (I know you won't look it up, but the top 100 richest people in the world are worth a combined $2 trillion. Obama wants to spend twice that just this year.) Aren't stats a lot easier when you just make shit up?

 

 

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EXC wrote:So I'm now the I'm

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So I'm now the I'm Satan of you delusional little world. Quite an honor.

Delusions of grandeur.

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But then their is:

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