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Congrats to America. Mission

Congrats to America. Mission successful. Saddam is dead and al qaida is taking over Iraq, a country they never could even penetrate while he was alive.

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Yep. Saddam was a better

Yep. Saddam was a better choice, but you'll never convince those who supported the war that it was wrong.

Their will be a documentary 30 or 40 years from now showing that people in power at the time either wanted to setup a puppet government or they just wanted the oil.

 


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digitalbeachbum wrote:Yep.

digitalbeachbum wrote:

Yep. Saddam was a better choice, but you'll never convince those who supported the war that it was wrong.

Their will be a documentary 30 or 40 years from now showing that people in power at the time either wanted to setup a puppet government or they just wanted the oil.

 

 

  I don't believe US alliances with foreign nations are neccesarily based upon what is right ( ie, ethical )  but are based upon what is beneficial at the moment to our own national interest. Political pragmatism trumps moral principal. Consider our very cozy relationship with Stalin during WW II.  Stalin's appalling treatment of his own people was legendary but all that was set aside by Presidents Roosevelt and Truman  to form an alliance with the Soviets in order to defeat the Axis powers.  It achieved that goal.

 

  Ironically, but perhaps not surprisingly, post war alliances shifted in the complete opposite direction as Stalin and the Soviet Union became our most feared enemy while the US set about rebuilding the two nations it had worked so hard to destroy.  The ultimate flip-flop.

 

  As far as Islamic terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda and Isis are concerned,  in the 1980's wasn't the US government under President Reagan assisting the Afghan "Freedom Fighters" by sending them war materiel ( Stinger shoulder fired missiles, etc ) to combat the Soviet invaders ?   The Soviets pulled out of Afghanistan ( achieving the goal ) but the downside was that many radical Mujahideen turned their hatred away from the Soviets and then toward the US government which ironically had given them them military means to defeat the Russians in the first place.

 

Pragmatism and expediency drive these baffling and ever shifting agreements.   If you expect consistency regarding governmental alliances you'll just spend a lot of time being frustrated.  That's just the way it is.


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 It was not that long ago.

 It was not that long ago. that Christianity was as barbaric as far too much of the Middle East is today. The west is civil because of secular common law, in spite of Christianity, not because of it. All the gods of Abraham are petulent childish bullies who at best favor club minions. Liberals watering down these characters do not change the words in those books. Strip away secular law in the west and it would not take long for the west to regress back into tribal violence.

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ProzacDeathWish

ProzacDeathWish wrote:

digitalbeachbum wrote:

Yep. Saddam was a better choice, but you'll never convince those who supported the war that it was wrong.

Their will be a documentary 30 or 40 years from now showing that people in power at the time either wanted to setup a puppet government or they just wanted the oil.

 

 

  I don't believe US alliances with foreign nations are neccesarily based upon what is right ( ie, ethical )  but are based upon what is beneficial at the moment to our own national interest. Political pragmatism trumps moral principal. Consider our very cozy relationship with Stalin during WW II.  Stalin's appalling treatment of his own people was legendary but all that was set aside by Presidents Roosevelt and Truman  to form an alliance with the Soviets in order to defeat the Axis powers.  It achieved that goal.

 

  Ironically, but perhaps not surprisingly, post war alliances shifted in the complete opposite direction as Stalin and the Soviet Union became our most feared enemy while the US set about rebuilding the two nations it had worked so hard to destroy.  The ultimate flip-flop.

 

  As far as Islamic terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda and Isis are concerned,  in the 1980's wasn't the US government under President Reagan assisting the Afghan "Freedom Fighters" by sending them war materiel ( Stinger shoulder fired missiles, etc ) to combat the Soviet invaders ?   The Soviets pulled out of Afghanistan ( achieving the goal ) but the downside was that many radical Mujahideen turned their hatred away from the Soviets and then toward the US government which ironically had given them them military means to defeat the Russians in the first place.

 

Pragmatism and expediency drive these baffling and ever shifting agreements.   If you expect consistency regarding governmental alliances you'll just spend a lot of time being frustrated.  That's just the way it is.

I don't disagree with you about our history. We sleep with so many whores that I'm surprised The Constitution isn't covered in herpes.