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I really cannot stand the equation to bigotry in the face of criticism or blasphemy. This is bullshit. While it may be true that some can hate without good reason, saying that no country is perfect nor their politicians or actions, is not bigotry. Everyone, including my believing family and friends have criticized me personally while not liking something I do, but I do not take it as if they hate me personally. This is the same stupid logic that caused Issac Hayes, after years of being part of a show (South Park) that criticized and blasphemed every race and religion, quit when they got to his Scientology. Israel does not do everything right anymore than America has. I'd advise my liberal friends that we had slavery, genocide of Native Americans, sexism, and imprisonment of Japanese Citizens. Without the ability to criticize, we do neither good for free speech of the majority or minority. Are there bigots who hate Israel? Yes, but that should not allow Israel or it's supporters the right to create taboos. To do such makes us no better than the fascist states that do censor.
 

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 Everyone, including my believing family and friends have criticized me personally while not liking something I do, but I do not take it as if they hate me personally.

 

      I understand the difference.  I criticize the shit out of you Brian, as do many other around here, but I doubt that any of us ..no matter how angry we may become...even come close to hating you.  

 

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This is the same stupid logic that caused Issac Hayes, after years of being part of a show (South Park) that criticized and blasphemed every race and religion, quit when they got to his Scientology. Israel does not do everything right anymore than America has. I'd advise my liberal friends that we had slavery, genocide of Native Americans, sexism, and imprisonment of Japanese Citizens. Without the ability to criticize, we do neither good for free speech of the majority or minority. Are there bigots who hate Israel? Yes, but that should not allow Israel or it's supporters the right to create taboos. To do such makes us no better than the fascist states that do censor.
 

                                 Hate speech laws are a pathetic scam that is perpetrated by mostly the political Left.  It is draconian, unconstitutional, and is almost always selectively enforced.

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I understand the difference.  I criticize the shit out of you Brian, as do many other around here, but I doubt that any of us ..no matter how angry we may become...even come close to hating you. 

 

Not even when I talk about ABBA? Damn, I'm doing something wrong.

 

 

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  Hate speech laws are a pathetic scam that is perpetrated by mostly the political Left.  It is draconian, unconstitutional, and is almost always selectively enforced.

 

I am for anti discrimination laws, but not "hate speech" laws. You cannot force humanity to always like you nor can you force them to only say nice things about you. The only thing we have in common is that we want to be free from physical harm. So the common law is already in place. You don't act out in violence and you don't call for violence. Merely offending someone is not a justification for censorship.

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  Hate speech laws are a pathetic scam that is perpetrated by mostly the political Left.  It is draconian, unconstitutional, and is almost always selectively enforced.

 

I am for anti discrimination laws, but not "hate speech" laws. You cannot force humanity to always like you nor can you force them to only say nice things about you. The only thing we have in common is that we want to be free from physical harm. So the common law is already in place. You don't act out in violence and you don't call for violence. Merely offending someone is not a justification for censorship.

 

     I agree with anti-discrimination laws if they do not involve hiring quotas.  A person's merits should be the deciding factor.

Also you stated  "Merely offending someone is not a justification for censorship."    I agree with you on that, too.  ( WTF ! )

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  Hate speech laws are a pathetic scam that is perpetrated by mostly the political Left.  It is draconian, unconstitutional, and is almost always selectively enforced.

 

I am for anti discrimination laws, but not "hate speech" laws. You cannot force humanity to always like you nor can you force them to only say nice things about you. The only thing we have in common is that we want to be free from physical harm. So the common law is already in place. You don't act out in violence and you don't call for violence. Merely offending someone is not a justification for censorship.

 

     I agree with anti-discrimination laws if they do not involve hiring quotas.  A person's merits should be the deciding factor.

Also you stated  "Merely offending someone is not a justification for censorship."    I agree with you on that, too.  ( WTF ! )

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MUEHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, my evil plan is working, you will become an ABBA fan!

 

                               

  Actually, I don't have a problem with ABBA, just that your level of admiration seems out of proportion.   Back in the late 70's when I was in junior college I had a girlfriend who was from New York  and she liked disco.  We went dancing a few times so I have probably shaken my "booty" to ABBA.

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Actually, I don't have a problem with ABBA, just that your level of admiration seems out of proportion.   Back in the late 70's when I was in junior college I had a girlfriend who was from New York  and she liked disco.  We went dancing a few times so I have probably shaken my "booty" to ABBA.

wow, what was it like dancing in all that polyester?  'cause that shit doesn't really breathe, does it?

i don't know why, but all photos of the '70s give off a creepy vibe to me, like the ones that were in our old textbooks when i was a schoolkid in the early '90s.  maybe it's all the weird, dark, halloweeny colors that seemed to be favored back then: pumpkin orange, chocolate brown, etc.  the women wore such heavy make-up and the men had those pedophile mustaches and blow-dried, wavy hair.  ick...

not to mention how weird '70s porn is, and i'm not just talking about the masses of body hair.  it tried so hard to be respectable, artistic, and in many ways that seems so much more pervy than the straight-to-video, no-frills fucking that is stock in trade today.  what is that weird george c. scott movie where he goes to rescue his daughter from the porn/snuff underground, and when he finds her she screams at him and calls him a cocksucker?  seriously, who calls their father a cocksucker, of all things?  only in the '70s, and that movie epitomizes my impression of that decade.

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iwbiek wrote:not to mention

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not to mention how weird '70s porn is, and i'm not just talking about the masses of body hair.  it tried so hard to be respectable, artistic, and in many ways that seems so much more pervy than the straight-to-video, no-frills fucking that is stock in trade today.  what is that weird george c. scott movie where he goes to rescue his daughter from the porn/snuff underground, and when he finds her she screams at him and calls him a cocksucker?  seriously, who calls their father a cocksucker, of all things?  only in the '70s, and that movie epitomizes my impression of that decade.

The movie that you are talking about is Hardcore.

I barely remember it, but I do remember the scene and ending. The girl was never "forced" into porn like we are lead to believe throughout the whole film. Instead, she entered it on her own free will and stated that it made her feel a sense of belonging and love that Scott had never given her as a daughter.

The film more or less ends with the daughter walking away from the father, and we are left with the impression that she is going to remain on the streets and he has lost her. Or so I am guessing.

That film was seen as one of the contributors to the idea of an underground snuff industry. To my knowledge there has never been any conclusive evidence that such an industry exists (although it would not surprise me if one did) and there were several others that did so.

I can not remember the name of the film, but it involved a scene near the end where it looks like the camera film is wrapping up the movie and pretend to know that they are not on film, then they proceed to torture and kill a girl. However, I DO remember that the scene is so corny, so badly acted and the effects are so fucking cartoonish that how anyone could have remotely taken it seriously is a mystery to me.

I remember a whole series of movies along that line in the 80s that were made in Japan. In fact, one of them, called Flower of Flesh and Blood, involves a guy kidnapping a girl and slowly mutilating her over several days. In fact, actor Charlie Sheen was so convinced that he had seen a genuine snuff film, that he turned it over to the FBI and caused an investigation. The director was lucky enough to have several hours of behind the scenes footage so that he could prove it was a fake, along with the actress in the film. Oddly enough, the serial killer in the movie is the director. Who spends most of the film with an odd Samurai helmet on his head.  I will say that for it's time, the film looks somewhat realistic. But it was a rather pointless film in the Guinea Pig series. Almost all of them were.

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wow, what was it like dancing in all that polyester?  'cause that shit doesn't really breathe, does it?

 

   Hey now, let's not get carried away !   I never dressed in the all white outfits, neck chains, etc.  Just trying new experiences to please a girlfriend.

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The movie that you are talking about is Hardcore.

I barely remember it, but I do remember the scene and ending. The girl was never "forced" into porn like we are lead to believe throughout the whole film. Instead, she entered it on her own free will and stated that it made her feel a sense of belonging and love that Scott had never given her as a daughter.

The film more or less ends with the daughter walking away from the father, and we are left with the impression that she is going to remain on the streets and he has lost her. Or so I am guessing.

That film was seen as one of the contributors to the idea of an underground snuff industry. To my knowledge there has never been any conclusive evidence that such an industry exists (although it would not surprise me if one did) and there were several others that did so.

I can not remember the name of the film, but it involved a scene near the end where it looks like the camera film is wrapping up the movie and pretend to know that they are not on film, then they proceed to torture and kill a girl. However, I DO remember that the scene is so corny, so badly acted and the effects are so fucking cartoonish that how anyone could have remotely taken it seriously is a mystery to me.

I remember a whole series of movies along that line in the 80s that were made in Japan. In fact, one of them, called Flower of Flesh and Blood, involves a guy kidnapping a girl and slowly mutilating her over several days. In fact, actor Charlie Sheen was so convinced that he had seen a genuine snuff film, that he turned it over to the FBI and caused an investigation. The director was lucky enough to have several hours of behind the scenes footage so that he could prove it was a fake, along with the actress in the film. Oddly enough, the serial killer in the movie is the director. Who spends most of the film with an odd Samurai helmet on his head.  I will say that for it's time, the film looks somewhat realistic. But it was a rather pointless film in the Guinea Pig series. Almost all of them were.

sounds like you and i saw the same episode of "the dark side of porn."  that's a great documentary series.

on a related note, i recently downloaded and watched "deep throat," just out of curiosity.  now that was a trippy experience, and not for the sex.  the sex scenes were decidedly underwhelming imo.  not only do i not find linda lovelace in the least attractive, i was also surprised at the complete lack of a clear money shot at any point in the film.  in fact, one of the things that irritated me about the film is that it constantly cut away from the sex scenes.  you would think a movie that built its reputation on blowjobs would have a decent blowjob at some point.

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sounds like you and i saw the same episode of "the dark side of porn."  that's a great documentary series.

on a related note, i recently downloaded and watched "deep throat," just out of curiosity.  now that was a trippy experience, and not for the sex.  the sex scenes were decidedly underwhelming imo.  not only do i not find linda lovelace in the least attractive, i was also surprised at the complete lack of a clear money shot at any point in the film.  in fact, one of the things that irritated me about the film is that it constantly cut away from the sex scenes.  you would think a movie that built its reputation on blowjobs would have a decent blowjob at some point.

Haha. I actually have never seen Deep Throat.

I can't remember what I saw that info about snuff rumors. I think it was one of those "the enigma of snuff films" or some such documentary on one of those channels.

I do not recall ever having watched the dark side of porn either.

However, someone else did tell me that Deep Throat was vastly overrated.

I was unfortunate enough to catch a bit of a film about a girl whose vagina has teeth. A rather corny comedy/horror that did give me second thoughts about sex for maybe a day or two after viewing it Smiling

 

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Haha. I actually have never seen Deep Throat.

I can't remember what I saw that info about snuff rumors. I think it was one of those "the enigma of snuff films" or some such documentary on one of those channels.

I do not recall ever having watched the dark side of porn either.

However, someone else did tell me that Deep Throat was vastly overrated.

I was unfortunate enough to catch a bit of a film about a girl whose vagina has teeth. A rather corny comedy/horror that did give me second thoughts about sex for maybe a day or two after viewing it Smiling

 

yeah, don't waste your time with deep throat.  or any other '70s porn, ftm.

you should check out the dark side of porn.  it's a british series, and despite its name, it's not anti-porn.  it just talks about the seedier stuff like AIDS scandals, bestiality videos, the psychological effects of one-off amateur videos on their subjects, and the supposed snuff industry.  the snuff episode mentioned all the stuff you mentioned and also came to the conclusion that, while things like murders have definitely been intentionally filmed, there is no evidence for a "snuff film industry."

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MUEHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, my evil plan is working, you will become an ABBA fan!

 

                               

  Actually, I don't have a problem with ABBA, just that your level of admiration seems out of proportion.   Back in the late 70's when I was in junior college I had a girlfriend who was from New York  and she liked disco.  We went dancing a few times so I have probably shaken my "booty" to ABBA.

To quote Ronald Regan, "There you go again". I really hate that they are known for "Dancing Queen"( I like it as a dance song, but hate that they are known for it), They had 12 albums with an average of 12 songs from 74 to 82. Unless someone listens to every single song, they will be stuck on that stereotype like you have in calling them disco.

 

"Watch Out" was not disco (Sounds more like KISS), and is my FAVORITE ABBA SONG. Ironically I didn't know about it as a kid. But it doesn't surprise me knowing my overall taste in music since I was a kid. That song kicks ass!

"Hey Hey Helen" was not disco

"So Long" Was not disco

"Knowing Me Knowing You" was not disco,

"The Winner Takes It All" was a love ballad, and hardly disco

"King Kong Song" (not one of my favs) also not disco.

" Sorry Casandra" not disco

"Our Last Summer" not disco

"The Day Before You Came" not disco

"SOS" not disco

 

"Voulez Vous"

"Dancing Queen"

"Take A Chance On Me"

 

Are about the only three I consider absolute disco.

 

And as far my fandom being "Out of proportion". Bologna. You have guys who prattle off sports stats who are mere fans. You have Harry Potter fans and Star Wars fans and so on and so on. It is merely what I am into.

 

 

 

 

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To quote Ronald Regan, "There you go again". I really hate that they are known for "Dancing Queen"( I like it as a dance song, but hate that they are known for it), They had 12 albums with an average of 12 songs ... ( snip )   ...as far my fandom being "Out of proportion". Bologna. You have guys who prattle off sports stats who are mere fans. You have Harry Potter fans and Star Wars fans and so on and so on. It is merely what I am into.

 

 

 

 

 

    Well for example, the Bee Gees have a long and varied musical catalog of which the vast majority is not disco.  Yet for a while they were seriously involved with that genre of music.   Disco was a short-lived fad and some bands exploited it and others didn't.  Hell even Rod Stewart hopped on the disco train for a short while does that make him a disco icon ?  They can do what the hell they want, who cares ?  Besides, I'm not stereotyping anything.

 

  Personally I don't care if you like / love ABBA or not. 

 

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Personally I don't care if you like / love ABBA or not. 

 

 

you and everybody else on this site.

and the beegees were fuckin' gods.  they wrote so many great soul tunes, including "how can you mend a broken heart?", which al green fuckin' nailed, and "you don't know what it's like," which they wrote for otis redding, but unfortunately he died before he could record it, so they made it into a hit themselves.

there was some great disco.  the whole some girls album from the stones, for example, or a lot of blondie's output.

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  they wrote so many great soul tunes, including "how can you mend a broken heart?", which al green fuckin' nailed, and "you don't know what it's like,"

Oddly enough, the only Beegess that IU liked was the early ones that had : "To love somebody, Holiday, and I started a Joke."

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