Should we care that smart women aren't having kids?

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Should we care that smart women aren't having kids?

Should we care that smart women aren't having kids? | Sadhbh Walshe | Comment is free | theguardian.com

 I just thought this was interesting and strange, especially in light of upper education's appreciation of feminism and how feminism has gone along with untraditional family structures as well as tolerance of abortion. There's a couple things about feminism to be considered from this: 
  1. Will feminism decay over time because smart women aren't having kids?
  2. Has this trend always existed, and does it explain how feminism changed from it's first to second and third waves since smart women themselves didn't have kids, but others' kids had to interpret feminism for themselves?

 


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I think the last paragraph is the crux of the matter

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Anyone who is genuinely concerned with falling birthrates should be supporting policies such as paid maternity leave, subsidized day care, flexible work schedules, affordable health care and so on that would make it feasible for more women who want babies to have them. As for the women who don't, we should be grateful in the knowledge that they are intelligent enough to make the choice that is best for them and then back off with the judgement.

 

1. Aren't there enough people in the world already? Intelligence is not inherited through a single gene. Very intelligent children can have very normal parents and very intelligent parents can have very normal children. I don't think that smart women having 10-20 children will do anything more than add to an overgrowth of humans on this planet.

2. And what about the smart men? I have three grown sons and one grandson. Why aren't smart men having larger families? Are they "losers" as well?

3. Let's review what having children does to your body. Permanently. Never mind, I don't want to gross everyone out.

4. Let's review how much it costs to raise a child: $241,000+ from birth to age 18. (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/average-cost-raise-kid-241-183700681.html) "The USDA's latest estimates include expenses for housing, food, transportation, clothing, health care, education and child care, as well as miscellaneous expenses, such as toys and computers." Private school and/or college are not included in this estimate. That is of course, an average. It is twice as much in the Northeast and half as much for less well to do families in rural areas.

5. Let's review who does most of the work. It still is usually the mother who takes primary responsibility and does most of the housework and chores associated with raising a family. Yes, there are exceptions and that is a good thing. However, even if you earn more than your husband, you still are most likely the one who is picking them up from school when they throw up and cleaning the bathroom as they continue to throw up once they get home. It is wonderful that more men are assisting and actively cleaning up vomit. But it still isn't common.

What the hell does any of this have to do with feminism?

People forget history. Everyone forgets history. If it happened before your grandparents' time, it never happened. It has nothing to do with being smart or being a feminist.

 

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Evolution doesn't give one

Evolution doesn't give one shit who wins. More numbers equals more opportunity to gain resources. Yea, so? I don't think smart women need pop out more babies, because those babies are not clones of them. Just because you pass your jeans on does not mean you ween the entire world off off their superstitions.

 

I think smart women don't need to fuck more, I think our entire species needs better education.

 

If our species level of poverty and crime and war is to be blamed on anything, it should be blamed on men and superstition and credulity, not women.

 

 

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Argotitan wrote:I just

Argotitan wrote:
I just thought this was interesting and strange, especially in light of upper education's appreciation of feminism and how feminism has gone along with untraditional family structures as well as tolerance of abortion.

I'm not sure what feminism's tolerance of abortion has anything to do with actual abortions that happen. From my understanding, it's poor and/or uneducated people that get abortions at higher rates.


Argotitan wrote:
Will feminism decay over time because smart women aren't having kids?
Women who aren't smart don't want fair treatment? I think you may be defining the word too narrowly.


Argotitan wrote:
Has this trend always existed, and does it explain how feminism changed from it's first to second and third waves since smart women themselves didn't have kids, but others' kids had to interpret feminism for themselves?
We haven't evolved to want to have kids; we've evolved to like sex. For a long time, those two were pretty much the same thing, but now we've figured out how to have our cake and eat it, too. Aside from birth control superstitions, people have been practicing birth control for thousands of years.



Also, regarding the content of the article itself:

misguided article wrote:
It seems that women these days are too clever for their own good, at least when it comes to making babies.
Who says having babies is for their own good? How does having a baby help a woman unless she wants a baby?


Satoshi Kanazawa wrote:
"If any value is deeply evolutionarily familiar, it is reproductive success. If any value is truly unnatural, if there is one thing that humans (and all other species in nature) are decisively not designed for, it is voluntary childlessness."
How can he possibly make that claim? For better or for worse, we evolved to like sex, not making babies. While they are linked, they are not the same thing. Evolution did good to get us where we are, but it fucked up in the regard to make us actually want to have babies. It got us to like sex, it even got us to want to care for our babies with oxytocin and all that jazz, but it missed on giving us an actual incentive to have a baby.

This guy doesn't know what he's talking about.


misguided article wrote:
That said then, Kanazawa finds it paradoxical that intelligent women apparently don't possess the desire to pursue what should be the ultimate goal of their biological existence, (hence the loser reference).
Should? Says who? Him?


misguided article wrote:
He says that it's not yet known why intelligent women are having less babies but says it's not the reason most people assume, that women with higher IQs are more likely to go to college and have demanding careers. Basically he seems to come to the paradoxical conclusion that intelligent women just aren't all that wise.
This would make more sense to him if he'd eschew his retarded world view, which is demonstrably wrong.
 


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lot of highly educated and successful gen X women who have not had children and would have liked to. I think we need more flexibility in work/life so women can have children while still earning/contributing their expertise.

Shared child care either at work or in local areas, employers freeing up men to take on a child care role more of the time. Kids at the office - yes - I know how that sounds but we have a 5-week-old at our office and it works ok most the time. Men taking on and being encouraged to take on rearing of children to partners they're not married to. A lot of men would put more time into this if the right were not denied them post-divorce. 

Maybe the culture has to change. In Australia even breast feeding in public can lead to problems. Though I was delighted to see an Australian women's cricketer who took her bub on a tour of England and breast-fed between scoring a century. Lovely timing, I thought. 

 

 

 

 

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