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I was having a discussion with a friend on how some people he was gaming with had ended up being people he had no interest in associating with after observing their behaviour towards a mentally challenged individual. He was concerned he'd been a bad judge of character. I said something to him, which he suggested was quotable. So lets put it through peer review shall we?

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Quote:Beneath everyones

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Beneath everyones exterior lies a darkness. The judging of character can only go so far without acknowledging this. Everyone has the capacity to be a self indulged asshole who stomps on people for fun. In most cases, it is ones personal ethics or fear of the judgement of society which keeps things in check.
But many people don't even like to acknowledge this reality to themselves. They are blind.
When blinded people who restrain themselves only out of fear of society have access to an anonymous forum, they feel free to express their true selves, and the things they can say and do are equal to the greatest darkness our species has ever been party to.

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Know your enemy . .

Re :: Know your enemy

OP's 'issue' (not so much actual remarks)

Briefly, Know your enemy THAT is the best way to intelligently find a way to best respond to them or you can choose to ignore the issue(s). Whatever the case the trick is not to allow them to win.

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Vastet wrote:Quote:Beneath

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Beneath everyones exterior lies a darkness. The judging of character can only go so far without acknowledging this. Everyone has the capacity to be a self indulged asshole who stomps on people for fun. In most cases, it is ones personal ethics or fear of the judgement of society which keeps things in check. But many people don't even like to acknowledge this reality to themselves. They are blind. When blinded people who restrain themselves only out of fear of society have access to an anonymous forum, they feel free to express their true selves, and the things they can say and do are equal to the greatest darkness our species has ever been party to.

 

I agree that at some time or another every one has a darkness in their mind, but this darkness can be abolished with training.


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digitalbeachbum wrote:Vastet

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Beneath everyones exterior lies a darkness. The judging of character can only go so far without acknowledging this. Everyone has the capacity to be a self indulged asshole who stomps on people for fun. In most cases, it is ones personal ethics or fear of the judgement of society which keeps things in check. But many people don't even like to acknowledge this reality to themselves. They are blind. When blinded people who restrain themselves only out of fear of society have access to an anonymous forum, they feel free to express their true selves, and the things they can say and do are equal to the greatest darkness our species has ever been party to.

 

I agree that at some time or another every one has a darkness in their mind, but this darkness can be abolished with training.

nothing arises and nothing is abolished.

"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
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iwbiek wrote:digitalbeachbum

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Vastet wrote:
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Beneath everyones exterior lies a darkness. The judging of character can only go so far without acknowledging this. Everyone has the capacity to be a self indulged asshole who stomps on people for fun. In most cases, it is ones personal ethics or fear of the judgement of society which keeps things in check. But many people don't even like to acknowledge this reality to themselves. They are blind. When blinded people who restrain themselves only out of fear of society have access to an anonymous forum, they feel free to express their true selves, and the things they can say and do are equal to the greatest darkness our species has ever been party to.

 

I agree that at some time or another every one has a darkness in their mind, but this darkness can be abolished with training.

nothing arises and nothing is abolished.

 

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Vaset I don't think life is

Vaset I don't think life is as simple as a quote, nor do I think anger is always bad. I have said which is similar to this quote, we DO have to remember that we all are the same species. It is when we fail to do so the dark side of our evolution can cause us to treat others as sub human. We are all capable of doing both good and bad because we are all part of the same evolution.

 

 

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I never said life was as

I never said life was as simple as a quote, nor that anger or anything else was bad, or anything similar to anything you attribute to me. Don't put words in my mouth.

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Vastet wrote:I never said

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I never said life was as simple as a quote, nor that anger or anything else was bad, or anything similar to anything you attribute to me. Don't put words in my mouth.

It's called reading between the lines.


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It's called a strawman.

It's called a strawman.

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Vastet wrote:I never said

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I never said life was as simple as a quote, nor that anger or anything else was bad, or anything similar to anything you attribute to me. Don't put words in my mouth.

it's brian, dude.  try to say anything remotely clever and he's sure to come around and try to one-up you by saying you're oversimplifying things and it's all about evolution, blah blah blah.

"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
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Vastet wrote:It's called a

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It's called a strawman.

Please re-read his statement and show me where he said "your said this or that".

I see him saying that he "thinks this" and he "thinks that".

Stating his opinion or feeling about your statements is an opinion and nothing more.


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I'm not sure this is true

I'm not sure this is true for true for the reasons you believe.

 

If you ran another (exaggerated) test where you left a person alone in a room with a puppy and told them they could torture the puppy if they wanted and no-one would ever find out, would they torture the puppy? If they have an innate darkness confined only by societal opinion then you'd expect they probably would. I doubt that many puppies would be tortured though.

 

I think people troll on forums because they don't consider the forum important (unlike the welfare of a puppy), and so don't care if they bruise the feelings of others on it. And it only harms those who allow themselves to be harmed by it.. there is no intrinsic harm in trolling.

 

Your quote really only applies to people with low levels of empathy - i.e borderlines, narcissists and psychopaths. People with high empathy generally don't want to harm others for fun. I wonder why you think this quote of yours applies generally.. would you consider that you have a generally low level of empathy?

 

 

 

 


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digitalbeachbum wrote:Vastet

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It's called a strawman.

Please re-read his statement and show me where he said "your said this or that".

I see him saying that he "thinks this" and he "thinks that".

Stating his opinion or feeling about your statements is an opinion and nothing more.

He directed his response to me and proceeded to lecture me on subject matter which had nothing to do with the topic or anything I've ever said. If you want to act as stupid as he is feel free, but don't expect me to not point it out. I'm hardly the only one who sees it. You're just making more of a fool of yourself with every word you type.

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~snip~

I don't really think much of it actually, I was surprised he valued it so much. Hence exposing it to others.

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Vastet wrote:Quote:Beneath

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Beneath everyones exterior lies a darkness. The judging of character can only go so far without acknowledging this. Everyone has the capacity to be a self indulged asshole who stomps on people for fun. In most cases, it is ones personal ethics or fear of the judgement of society which keeps things in check. But many people don't even like to acknowledge this reality to themselves. They are blind. When blinded people who restrain themselves only out of fear of society have access to an anonymous forum, they feel free to express their true selves, and the things they can say and do are equal to the greatest darkness our species has ever been party to.

Except of course the guillotine lovers. They're they ones' that are totally justified.

 

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Here's a GIFT

GodsUseForAMosquito wrote:
Stuff

That's not really a good analogy, because most people are generally not attracted to actual suffering and torture, and for most people, they're more able to get even more enjoyment out of just playing with the puppy.  Plus its cleaner, and they don't have to deal with any possible aftermath, the only aftermath of playing with a Happy Puppy is the happy puppy loves you even more and plays even more.

Not having to deal with the aftermath is also part of what makes people so vicious on the Internet.  There's an unwritten rule that what's on the Internet doesn't matter.  This is where the "The Internet : Serious Business" Meme came from.  This gives people a lot of incentive to be vicious because they can always retreat behind the "No harm Done" defense.   Furthermore, they generally don't have to see any tangible effects of their bullying.  Even if the recipient, kills themselves, that just means they stop posting as far as the troll is concerned.  Any mental breakdown they suffer is translated through the glory of text into simple, easily digested, sterile words.

For further reading, check out the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory

When you say it like that you make it sound so Sinister...


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EXC wrote:Vastet

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Beneath everyones exterior lies a darkness. The judging of character can only go so far without acknowledging this. Everyone has the capacity to be a self indulged asshole who stomps on people for fun. In most cases, it is ones personal ethics or fear of the judgement of society which keeps things in check. But many people don't even like to acknowledge this reality to themselves. They are blind. When blinded people who restrain themselves only out of fear of society have access to an anonymous forum, they feel free to express their true selves, and the things they can say and do are equal to the greatest darkness our species has ever been party to.

Except of course the guillotine lovers. They're they ones' that are totally justified.

 

Part of why the capacity for cruelty exists is because it already exists.

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Nu 1, Nu 10 Nu 11 Nu 12 Nu 17 etc etc

Nu 1, Nu 10 Nu 11 Nu 12 Nu 17 etc etc

The beginning of this topic (the top first third on the 1st page) made me realize how many of these topics become A GIANT ROCHACH blot and end up telling more about the individual than anything strictly related to the larger issue.


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Vastet wrote:digitalbeachbum

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It's called a straw man.

Please re-read his statement and show me where he said "your said this or that".

I see him saying that he "thinks this" and he "thinks that".

Stating his opinion or feeling about your statements is an opinion and nothing more.

He directed his response to me and proceeded to lecture me on subject matter which had nothing to do with the topic or anything I've ever said. If you want to act as stupid as he is feel free, but don't expect me to not point it out. I'm hardly the only one who sees it. You're just making more of a fool of yourself with every word you type.

Let me get this straight. You asked for a "peer review" and yet when some one posts their opinion you immediately go on the defense, shout "strawman" and then proceed to name call any one who either speaks up in defense of the other person because their opinion differs from your opinion?

 

 

 


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How bout you look up peer

How bout you look up peer review you fucking idiot. When scientists review a paper on gravity they don't talk about evolution.

You are cordially invited to shut the fuck up before I consider you legally retarded.

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      re:: Dana IS ALL ABOUT Boundaries (smile) :)

Nu 16 a (lyric) "And, They call it puppy love .."

 

 

 


  

 

Nu. 16 a (only)
http://www.rationalresponders.com/forum/32522 User::thelilith:Hiya Intro. Nu 1 , Nu 4 and Nu 5. does mention the topic of Trolls (in it).

Irrespective of one's propensities, No one benefits from Trolling, their behaviour only serves to be disruptive and steps outside the boundaries which allow for discourse to have any sort of chance of taking place (in the first place).

Most boards generally have Trolls expelled really for the sake of the others, instead of indulging them (facts of life). Usually the process is too quick to be considered fair in any sense of the word in other boards.


p.s. : Amenities (double meaning) of trollville, let's say, not offered enough, IMO.


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Vastet wrote:How bout you

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How bout you look up peer review you fucking idiot. When scientists review a paper on gravity they don't talk about evolution. You are cordially invited to shut the fuck up before I consider you legally retarded.

Woe is me. A drunk is threatening me with verbal abuse. I don't think I'll every sleep or eat again until I'm forgiven by you for my opinions.

 


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digitalbeachbum wrote:Vastet

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How bout you look up peer review you fucking idiot. When scientists review a paper on gravity they don't talk about evolution. You are cordially invited to shut the fuck up before I consider you legally retarded.

Woe is me. A drunk is threatening me with verbal abuse. I don't think I'll every sleep or eat again until I'm forgiven by you for my opinions.

 

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Ktulu wrote:digitalbeachbum

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How bout you look up peer review you fucking idiot. When scientists review a paper on gravity they don't talk about evolution. You are cordially invited to shut the fuck up before I consider you legally retarded.

Woe is me. A drunk is threatening me with verbal abuse. I don't think I'll every sleep or eat again until I'm forgiven by you for my opinions.

 

Smiling

I'm sad that I said what I said... The Internet is a horrible place to express your feelings. You are so disconnected from every one even though so many words exchanged.

 

 


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digitalbeachbum wrote:Vastet

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How bout you look up peer review you fucking idiot. When scientists review a paper on gravity they don't talk about evolution. You are cordially invited to shut the fuck up before I consider you legally retarded.

Woe is me. A drunk is threatening me with verbal abuse. I don't think I'll every sleep or eat again until I'm forgiven by you for my opinions.

 

I don't drink retard. Maybe you should lay off the sauce yourself. It explains why you can't say anything without proving I take shits with higher IQ's than you.

Since only a retard, who doesn't know the first thing about logic or peer review or staying on topic, has anything to say, clearly I'm not going to get the peer review I asked for. Just a bunch of delusional idiocy.

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