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another shooting

And we drove by the mall about 3 pm - fortunately, on an errand that did not involve going shopping.

http://news.yahoo.com/oregon-mall-shooting-least-one-dead-004815249--abc-news-topstories.html

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At least one person is dead and several people are wounded this evening after a masked shooter opened fire at Clackamas Town Center, a mall in suburban Portland, Ore.

Police said the shooter had been "neutralized," but would not say whether the person was alive or dead.

"This is no longer an active shooter," Clackamas County Sheriff's Office spokesman Lt. James Rhodes said. "I believe the shooter has been neutralized and we are securing the mall, securing the scene and treating the wounded."

There was not an exact count of those killed or wounded, he said.

"We believe there's at least one deceased and maybe more," he said. "We know there are multiple wounded. Lifeline has landed to treat at least one of those wounded and we're set up to treat them as we find them as we search the mall."

Hundreds of people were evacuated from the busy mall full of holiday shoppers after the shooting began at around 3:30 p.m. PT.

Witnesses described seeing a gunman who looked like a teenager with a white hockey mask, wearing what was believed to be a black, bulletproof vest and carrying an assault rifle.

The person entered the mall through a Macy's store, ran through the upper level of Macy's and opened fire near the mall food court, firing multiple shots, one right after another, with what is believed to be a black, semiautomatic rifle, according to witness reports.

Witnesses described the shooter as being on a mission and determined, looking straight ahead.

Those interviewed said that Macy's shoppers and store employees huddled in a dressing room to avoid being found.

Evan Walters told ABC News Radio that he was locked in a store for his safety and he saw two people shot and heard multiple gunshots.

"It was over 20, and it was kind of surreal because we hear pops and loud noises," he said. "We're next to the food court here and we hear pops and loud noises all the time, but we don't -- nothing like that. It was very definite gunshots."

 

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2 dead as well as the shooter.  At least one other with traumatic injuries, most of the rest are not life threatening.

 

 

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You re Okay right ?

 

Re:: Youre Okay, right ?

  Multiple gun-shoots, is that right ?
   

cj wrote:
(we drove by)
OP -- Shootings in a large American city from the OP, our own Cj.
  None of my business but this isnt a news headline for Cj then ? Sorry, I havent been getting enough sleep the last six days. All the typeos might have left their clue. Whatever is with me, How truly terrible and shocking news, when there are shootings. However you did mention the drive by. That will clear your sinuses from your nose cavity. Oh My darling. Each and everyone here in cyberland  all send out cyber hugs to you and your own family (especially me). If you yourself were anywhere near this all happening. How truly shocking and disturbing to hear of such a thing.  It is safe to say that you are not only welcomed on the forum but a valued and need member. So, This is a concern to everyone. Good to hear you werent actually caught up in the cross-fire. If I understand there was a shooting near to where you were ? I dont know how the police in your large city could even handle a situation such as this, nor the even the time it takes for the first responders (ex. the ambulances) to arrive on the scene. These situations must be quite formidable and daunting to law enforcement, I'd imagine, with it so quickly unfolding. Ambulance drivers will often seek out a parking lot of a mega-mall to sit and park, at least in this country. I travel the vast distance to even shop in any of the three to four cities, where I currently am. Somehow, I have noticed these drivers in areas, waiting to go to an emergency.  I dont remember the layout of that  larger city. Most have the congestion, with all that sprawl of the major city.   My cousin  has moved up all the way over to the same city recently. All I remember was traveling through only once when I was younger and the mess and maze the freeway system was. It is probably very pleasant inside the city itself. But, We might have missed all that as I was driven. I may have only been driven by the city. I do hope you are well psychologically. Yes, I have no t.v., K? Meaning I wouldn't have ever even heard of this happening at all. And, No I dont know what the police do in such a serious situation to be honest. Where I am currently staying and living and not much in terms of violence. People might yell at it other and that is about it. Although the F.B.1. has sent sweeps through looking to discover dead bodies, about three different times in the last 5-6 years, they sent in teams to do that here. These killers like remote areas, out of the way areas, to dump the bodies, I hear. I did witnessed the teams searching for them too. Again, I am really tired here. You are alright or was this just a headline ??? I seem to be tired no matter what time of the day or night it is. Glad you are unharmed. 
 
  In America, in the District of Columbia there were those now infamous shootings, done by the nutjob and his young male companion, dubbed the "D.C. Snipers". People were being shot at and even killed while re-fueling. In the large Washington city area. The media was empathizing these things have tendency to grip the large city in fear, like this terrible giant's grim influencing the peace of mind of the bulk of the citizenry . A fear, fundamental, for any who lived with those snipers' shootings, taking its toll. 

 

 


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danatemporary wrote: Sorry,

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Sorry, I havent been getting enough sleep the last six days. All the typeos might have left their clue. Whatever is with me,

 

 

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As much as public shootings

As much as public shootings like this suck, there are far more gang murders, domestic murders and highway death than things like this.

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danatemporary wrote: Re::

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Re:: Youre Okay, right ?

  Multiple gun-shoots, is that right ?
   

cj wrote:
(we drove by)
OP -- Shootings in a large American city from the OP, our own Cj.

 

Yes, I am fine - we were on the freeway that goes by the mall, so were no where near the firing. 

 

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I dont know how the police in your large city could even handle a situation such as this, nor the even the time it takes for the first responders (ex. the ambulances) to arrive on the scene. These situations must be quite formidable and daunting to law enforcement, I'd imagine, with it so quickly unfolding. Ambulance drivers will often seek out a parking lot of a mega-mall to sit and park, at least in this country. I travel the vast distance to even shop in any of the three to four cities, where I currently am. Somehow, I have noticed these drivers in areas, waiting to go to an emergency.  I dont remember the layout of that  larger city. Most have the congestion, with all that sprawl of the major city.   My cousin  has moved up all the way over to the same city recently. All I remember was traveling through only once when I was younger and the mess and maze the freeway system was. It is probably very pleasant inside the city itself. But, We might have missed all that as I was driven. I may have only been driven by the city. I do hope you are well psychologically. Yes, I have no t.v., K? Meaning I wouldn't have ever even heard of this happening at all. And, No I dont know what the police do in such a serious situation to be honest. Where I am currently staying and living and not much in terms of violence. People might yell at it other and that is about it. Although the F.B.1. has sent sweeps through looking to discover dead bodies, about three different times in the last 5-6 years, they sent in teams to do that here. These killers like remote areas, out of the way areas, to dump the bodies, I hear. I did witnessed the teams searching for them too. Again, I am really tired here. You are alright or was this just a headline ??? I seem to be tired no matter what time of the day or night it is. Glad you are unharmed. 

 

Portland OR is about 600,000 people in the "metro" area.  It is a vast sprawl.  The freeways are rather minimal - at least compared to somewhere like California.  This particular mall is about 4 miles from my home.  The mall is huge and has been added onto more than once so there are nooks, store rooms, crannies, where people were hiding.  The police had to search very carefully to be sure to get everyone out and to make sure there wasn't anyone else injured who had fallen behind something.  The mall is still closed today.  Public transit has been rerouted - there is a max train and bus stops all in the mall parking lot.

This is very unusual for Portland.  Yes, we have shootings and such - it is a lot of people and they aren't all nice.  The news reports said about 100 police responded - even from the surrounding tiny towns, like Boring and Estacada.  Both towns of less than 3000 people.  In the videos I saw last night about 6 pm there were a couple of dozen ambulances in the parking lot and people were still being escorted out of the mall.

They have identified the shooter, the two dead and the injured person.  More weren't killed or injured because the AR-15 jammed.  The shooter had stolen the weapon from someone else.

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Brian37 wrote:As much as

Brian37 wrote:

As much as public shootings like this suck, there are far more gang murders, domestic murders and highway death than things like this.

 

All too true, Brian.  This one could have been a lot worse if the shooter's gun hadn't jammed.  There had been a children's event earlier in the day and so there were a lot of families still there shopping.  Thank goodness for lousy weapon makers and worse marksmen.

I think it is the unexpectedness that makes these incidents stand out.  Like the guy in the Colorado movie theater.  Who expects to be watching a movie or shopping at the mall when some nut job starts blasting away?  But we have heard of gang murders, domestic violence, traffic accidents almost every day and so we have become inured to that type of violence.

 

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cj wrote:This is very

cj wrote:

This is very unusual for Portland.  Yes, we have shootings and such - it is a lot of people and they aren't all nice.  The news reports said about 100 police responded - even from the surrounding tiny towns, like Boring and Estacada.  Both towns of less than 3000 people.  In the videos I saw last night about 6 pm there were a couple of dozen ambulances in the parking lot and people were still being escorted out of the mall.

 

In the interest of being excrutiatingly accurate, Estacada and Boring responders were not there.  However, other nearby small towns were.  From the latest sheriff's report, http://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/index.ssf/2012/12/clackamas_town_center_shooting_16.html

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Police officers from Portland, Milwaukie, Gladstone, Oregon City, Canby, West Linn, Lake Oswego, Molalla, Woodburn and Sandy

 

Some of these places are smaller than others, some are immediately adjacent to Portland, some are not.  For example, there is no real boundary between Portland and Milwaukie, or Milwaukie and Gladstone.  Oregon City is separated from Gladstone by the Clackamas River.  Canby is about 8 miles south of Oregon City and they are separated by a lot of farm land.  And so on.

I'm impressed that so many responded from these communities and that a couple of them sent all of their on duty officers.

 

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