The only absolute is that we are all human.

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The only absolute is that we are all human.

In my 46 years I have seen a multitude of parties and classes and races and religions all offer a cure all to life. But in all this that is short term focus that loses the fact that we have never been separate from evolution. We fight for resources. To mask it in terms of ideology or political or religious or class labels will never change that.

The rich person and the poor person, the Muslim and Jew, and Hindu and Christian and atheist ALL  WANT THE SAME THING. To live life to old age.

Our strife cannot be about bitching about each other. To assume or expect that others will only say nice things about us is absurd. But what we all have in common is our own back yard, the litteral local invironment we grow used to. That bubble we get caught up in. It allows us to forget that we are the same spiecies with the same disires. The rich man wants the same as the poor man. The Muslim wants the same thing as the Christian or Jew.

Once you strip life of labels it amounts to the same goal from birth to death. We all want food, shelter, and love and a means of survival.

Our species gets too focused on dominance far to often when the compassionate side often struggles to pull the selfish side of our evolution into the future. But more often than not, we progress. I just want to speed things up by scrapping class and religion, and focusing on the things we all have in common.

 

 

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Brian37 wrote:The rich

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The rich person and the poor person, the Muslim and Jew, and Hindu and Christian and atheist ALL  WANT THE SAME THING. To live life to old age.

That is absurd, obviously we don't all want the same thing and I have known people in my life with no desire to live another year let alone live until old age. 

If, if a white man puts his arm around me voluntarily, that's brotherhood. But if you - if you hold a gun on him and make him embrace me and pretend to be friendly or brotherly toward me, then that's not brotherhood, that's hypocrisy.- Malcolm X


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The rich person and the poor person, the Muslim and Jew, and Hindu and Christian and atheist ALL  WANT THE SAME THING. To live life to old age.

That is absurd, obviously we don't all want the same thing and I have known people in my life with no desire to live another year let alone live until old age. 

Holly shit, just like someone who cannot accept that chaos and order exist at the same time.

Of course you don't want the same thing I do otherwise we wouldn't be fighting each other constantly.

But to tell me that you'd prefure to be dominated by me as as absurd as thinking you have all the answers.

It bothers you like most humans that life is a crap shoot.

I want the same thing you do. I don't want your shit affecting me anymore than you want my shit affecting you.

OF COURSE WE DON'T WANT THE SAME THING DUH! BUT WE ARE THE SAME SPECIES.

Regardless of label, we all fear threat. Regardless of label we all seek resources. If resources is all it is about, which it is utimately, then suffering from what all religions and classes suffer from which you suffer from which doesn't solve shit is the truely absurd aspect of an otherwise intelegent species.

The reality of life is when YOU, despite your status locked your keys in your car. It made you human. It made you relatable beyond your status.Get that and maybe you might see where I am comming from.

 

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Brian37 wrote:Holly shit,

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Holly shit, just like someone who cannot accept that chaos and order exist at the same time.

Of course I accept that- it is the entire basis of laissez faire economics that the chaos of an unregulated free market creates a rather efficient order. It is precisely the point I have been on here arguing for years.  

 

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Of course you don't want the same thing I do otherwise we wouldn't be fighting each other constantly.

But to tell me that you'd prefure to be dominated by me as as absurd as thinking you have all the answers.

I don't think I have all the answers. I think you should find answers for yourself without including me. 

 

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It bothers you like most humans that life is a crap shoot.

It doesn't bother me at all. I accept that it is a crap shoot and accept the results. You are the one that wants government to protect people from the crap shoot. 

 

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I want the same thing you do. I don't want your shit affecting me anymore than you want my shit affecting you.

You just said you didn't. Obviously you do want my shit affecting you because you support laws that make my shit take care of your shit. I am all for a government that doesn't force us to interact at all unless we decide to do so on our own free will in a free and unregulated market. Our current government gives neither of us that option because it insists that we be responsible for each others needs like food and healthcare and more than a few desires as well.

 

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OF COURSE WE DON'T WANT THE SAME THING DUH! BUT WE ARE THE SAME SPECIES.

Wait a minute, one sentence ago you said we do want the same thing. Make up your mind. Man, you are worse than my ex-wife trying to decide where she wants to eat out for dinner.  

 

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Regardless of label, we all fear threat.

Maybe. I would say most, not sure about all. Some people seek threats. Ever hear of masochists? 

 

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Regardless of label we all seek resources.

Again, perhaps most- certainly many, but I don't think you can say all and we obviously all seek a different amount of resources. Some people dedicate their entire lives to getting as many resources as possible, others are content with significantly less. 

 

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If resources is all it is about, which it is utimately, then suffering from what all religions and classes suffer from which you suffer from which doesn't solve shit is the truely absurd aspect of an otherwise intelegent species.

I don't think that is all it is about. The desire for any resource is but one desire of many that humans have. I don't suffer, don't believe in it. 

 

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The reality of life is when YOU, despite your status locked your keys in your car. It made you human. It made you relatable beyond your status.Get that and maybe you might see where I am comming from.

Hmmm, we have a problem then because I purchased a new car and with my new car it is impossible for me to lock my keys in my car (Hitchens bless keyless entry) So does that mean you can no longer relate to me? That I am no longer human to you? 

I think your inability to relate to me simply because I am a business owner and I have different political views from you says far more about you than it does about me. You have your stereotype mold and you force me into it. You constantly assign malicious intent to anyone richer than you and seem completely incapable of considering that they are simply humans that are acting in a very human way. You are quick to condemn the actions of others when you have no way of knowing how you would react in a similar situation. 

But if it does humanize me a little bit, while I might not lock my keys in the car anymore I did have a DOH! moment a couple weeks ago. I bought some apples and was making some apple sauce to go on my ice cream. I was talking politics to my father and grabbed some cinnamon which I applied quite generously. I had already given it a few good shakes when I realized it was the wrong color- I had grabbed the ground Chipotle powder... yeah that was a waste of perfectly good apples. See, I be human and my shit stinks.    

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Protection from the crap

Protection from the crap shoot? No.

More like keeping someone from loading the dice in their favor before they hand them to me.

I'd also like to see some people have to play the game before they win big.

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Brian37 wrote:The rich

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The rich person and the poor person, the Muslim and Jew, and Hindu and Christian and atheist ALL  WANT THE SAME THING. To live life to old age.

Once you strip life of labels it amounts to the same goal from birth to death. We all want food, shelter, and love and a means of survival.

Our species gets too focused on dominance far to often when the compassionate side often struggles to pull the selfish side of our evolution into the future. But more often than not, we progress. I just want to speed things up by scrapping class and religion, and focusing on the things we all have in common.

1 - No we all don't want the same thing. Depending on the age of the person, usually, what they want is based on short term goals. Very few people say, "I want to live to 100".

2 - I thought we all wanted to live to an old age? Now we want food, shelter and love? Besides, food and shelter are a given, so worrying about it is pointless. Your body will take care of it so clear your mind to think about other things.

3 - Dominance? I thought we wanted food, shelter, love and old age?

4 - Speed things up? Please... make up your mind what we want.

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It is my fault for using "want" instead of "need". BUT all semantics aside, we want different things, that is true, I DO NOT expect that to change.

BUT we all need the same things. We need shelter to survive the elements. We need food otherwise we would die. We need some level of socialising from love to working to get something out of life.

"Want" is the difference between our differneces of the degree of everything we need. It is the gap, but it still amounts to the same needs. Our wants simply reflect the degree of what we think we need.

I need food, but I want caviar. I need transportation, but I want a Lamborginni. I need love, but that can come from parents, co workers, or a spouse. I need love,, but I want to socialize in different ways than others.

YES WE ARE DIFFERENT AND WE WANT DIFFERENT THINGS TO DIFFERENT DEGREES. But evolution doesn't change our core needs.

My point is that we as a species needlessly create bubbles we often isolate ourselves in because it a failure to know that we both have wants and needs at the same time and forget that every human has both wants and needs. And far too often we confuse the two as being the same.

We have never been a separate species merely because we have different boarders or political labels or different religions. Ulltimately non of that bullshit matters. Evolution was around long before our current labels and will be around long after all 7 billion get replaced with future generations with different labels and different boarders.

In the end it still amounts to birth and death and what we do in between. And what do we all do between birth and death? We seek shelter. We seek food. And we seek conformation from those around us as a form of socializing. Doing it in different ways which we do, doesn't change evolution having always produced these universal actions.

Again in no way am I suggesting we be monochromatic, just a suggestion that our focus should be not on our differences, those will always exist, but our focus should be on those core universal evolutionary triats.

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Brian37 wrote:In my 46 years

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In my 46 years I have seen a multitude of parties and classes and races and religions all offer a cure all to life. But in all this that is short term focus that loses the fact that we have never been separate from evolution. We fight for resources. To mask it in terms of ideology or political or religious or class labels will never change that.

The rich person and the poor person, the Muslim and Jew, and Hindu and Christian and atheist ALL  WANT THE SAME THING. To live life to old age.

Our strife cannot be about bitching about each other. To assume or expect that others will only say nice things about us is absurd. But what we all have in common is our own back yard, the litteral local invironment we grow used to. That bubble we get caught up in. It allows us to forget that we are the same spiecies with the same disires. The rich man wants the same as the poor man. The Muslim wants the same thing as the Christian or Jew.

Once you strip life of labels it amounts to the same goal from birth to death. We all want food, shelter, and love and a means of survival.

Our species gets too focused on dominance far to often when the compassionate side often struggles to pull the selfish side of our evolution into the future. But more often than not, we progress. I just want to speed things up by scrapping class and religion, and focusing on the things we all have in common.

 

You need to define "human". In your eggzamples a dog would also be human. There are about 4 different applications of "human" in the world. 1- Mentality.  2- Physical.  3- Intellectual.   4- Imperfect.  Smiling

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