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My heart pains for each and every one of you.  You think that love is nothing more than a chemical reaction in the brain, rather than the brain's chemical reaction is a response to what we call love.  You harden your hearts, and truely don't understand faith, nor belief.  If you would only truely open your hearts up to our Savior Jesus He will open Himself up to you.  The hatred in this world has blinded you from what is right and true.  Goodbye friends, I hope you see the light of truth someday.

 

GOD'S NOT DEAD! HE'S SURELY ALIVE! HE'S LIVING ON THE INSIDE, ROARING LIKE A LION!

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


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To answer your question, it means that the many martyrs for Jesus Christ and His testimony in the Bible did not die in vain. They wait in the glory of heaven for the end of all things earthly.

What kind of god needs people to die for it? The same kind of god that needs a spaceship?

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My sources say that Nietzsche ended up in a lunatic asylum and wanted to be called "the Crucified One." But in a sense, Nietzsche was right.

That is what syphillis can do to you. It doesn't pray away.

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The Bible teaches that the reprobate, the non-elect, are spiritually dead, unless God makes them spiritually alive.

Please produce chapter and verse for that or please stop lying.

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Jesus did miracles, but the Jewish rulers did not believe him. Can you prove something to a dead man?

All of his miracles are the kind that were done by street performers in his day and still done in revival tents to this day. What kind of idiot would take a charlatan seriously? I've seen the old water into wine trick dozens of times. Rose from the dead? If he had dropped in on Pilate and Herod that might be something but he only visited people who could benefit from making up the story.

 

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THIS WEBSITE IS A HATE CRIME CENTER FOR CYBER BULLYING.  BE GONE WITH YOU ALL!

Get thee behind me, Satan. I need a good butt fuck. -- JC

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(as for A-Nony, I don't think he was teasing. He's just had enough of passive-aggressive christians. )

Resisting my sense of humor is not going to happen, I'll just keep apologizing to those who take offense.  And then when opportunity occurs, I'll offend them again.  They either have to develop a rhino hide, or avoid me.

Taking offense doesn't make sense. I still haven't figured what connection there might be between my post and your response.

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Come on now Beyond, we both know the answer to this.. really, it's so simple it's obvious.. even a child about to be hit by a bus could tell you..

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God moves in mysterious ways.

And sometimes drives in them.

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If I offered you a cookie and you refused it why would i still give it to you?  Ultimate evil? I think not! The rope has been and will be dangling out there for you to grab until the end.  Sin is crime in God's eyes, all crimes have consequences, yet God offers you away OUT.  its called REPENTANCE and ACCEPTANCE.  How is it ultimate evil to offer freedom? 

Except that sin and crime in this case are the arbitrary and capricious creations of that same god. So are repentance and acceptance arbitrary and capricious creations. So why do you blather on about a stupid game your god created for its own amusement?

 

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Yes God knows all, but WE as humans do not.  That is WHY we must REPENT.  Because of our limited knowledge as flesh and blood using the "well God knows all" excuse is pointless and silly.  When you REPENT, and i mean truely REPENT, then YOU know as HUMAN that you are going to make it into His presence.  We cannot know the mind of God. We are limited to our own.

That is just a cop out. Your god deliberatedly made it so we do not know all and cannot know its mind. It invented the arbitrary rules of the game. It invented the capricious limitations on humans. All of this just for its own amusement.

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The rope is still there for you to grab on to.  He offers it freely.

Its rope, its rules.

 

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Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

That is because in Peter's day there was no place to plug in a toaster oven.

 

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You REALLY don't get it do you.

Should we not punish rapists for raping? should we not punish murderers for killing? Thiefs for stealing?  No they go to JAIL!

Unless of course your god orders the rape, pillage and murder. Then it is a good thing.

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How would it be more moral to force someone to love you? I go back to my wife...what would happen if i FORCED my wife to love me?

One could suggest some degree of coercion has to used at present but if you deny it, if you have not tried force how do you know?

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Love is not really love unless it is willful love.  Love starts as a choice.  There are many people that have murdered raped and stolen that finally realized their wrong, grabbed that rope that Christ is throwing out to us, they REPENTED, and are now redeemed and no longer are murderers rapists or thiefs.  God gives us a way OUT.  HE DOES NOT HOLD US UNDER.

Don't count on it. Jews still haven't apologized to the Caananites and Philistines and dozens of other ites.

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You ever heard "is the glass half full or is it half empty?" Well my friend I can tell you see the glass as half empty, but I assure you that it is half full. 

and don't even try that rubbish of atheist morals.  If it weren't for theism in general there would be NO morals to consider. any moral that you have comes from various aspects of theism.

Since the basic rules of human interaction with each other are the same as with all other social species that implies there is an antelope god and a wolf god who taught them morality. Even an ant god. The mind boggles.

 

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How would it be more moral to force someone to love you? I go back to my wife...what would happen if i FORCED my wife to love me?

What kind of god needs to be loved? The same kind that needs a spaceship?

BTW: Should Darth Vader be punished for slaughtering all the young Jedi?

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GOD'S NOT DEAD! HE'S SURELY ALIVE! HE'S LIVING ON THE INSIDE, ROARING LIKE A LION!

That's just gas. Try Prilosec.

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(as for A-Nony, I don't think he was teasing. He's just had enough of passive-aggressive christians. )

Resisting my sense of humor is not going to happen, I'll just keep apologizing to those who take offense.  And then when opportunity occurs, I'll offend them again.  They either have to develop a rhino hide, or avoid me.

Taking offense doesn't make sense. I still haven't figured what connection there might be between my post and your response.

 

That's okay - I have totally forgotten by now anyway. 

 

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A_Nony_Mouse wrote:Don't

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Don't count on it. Jews still haven't apologized to the Caananites and Philistines and dozens of other ites.

Why should they apologize for crimes committed by their ancestors?

 


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Don't count on it. Jews still haven't apologized to the Caananites and Philistines and dozens of other ites.

Why should they apologize for crimes committed by their ancestors?

For the same reason they demand Germans apologize for Hitler and the Pope for centuries of what they claim was baseless persecution of the innocent. Perhaps the most important reason is for the arrogance of claiming such things are only wrong with done to them and not when they do it to others such as Palestinians today.

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A_Nony_Mouse wrote:For the

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For the same reason they demand Germans apologize for Hitler and the Pope for centuries of what they claim was baseless persecution of the innocent.

LOL   All Jews should apologize for things that weren't their fault because some Jews demand others to apologize for things that weren't their fault? How about we all stop asking people to be sorry for crimes they didn't commit?

 

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Perhaps the most important reason is for the arrogance of claiming such things are only wrong with done to them and not when they do it to others such as Palestinians today.

Not all Jews make or believe such a claim. I do wish the ones that do would stop, however.

 


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the christians to apologize to me for all their past crimes. The threats, the bigotry, the interminable singing. 

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the christians to apologize to me wrote AE

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For the same reason they demand Germans apologize for Hitler and the Pope for centuries of what they claim was baseless persecution of the innocent.

LOL   All Jews should apologize for things that weren't their fault because some Jews demand others to apologize for things that weren't their fault? How about we all stop asking people to be sorry for crimes they didn't commit?

I think people should stop selectively sticking in the word ALL to change the meaning of a discussion and leading up to playing the antisemite card. Lets just stick to what I wrote and ignore your false restatement of it.

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Perhaps the most important reason is for the arrogance of claiming such things are only wrong with done to them and not when they do it to others such as Palestinians today.

Not all Jews make or believe such a claim. I do wish the ones that do would stop, however.

Again drop the ALL crap. If you are a native English speaker you know for a fact that all is never implied to mean more than the comment addresses.

 

 

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the christians to apologize to me for all their past crimes. The threats, the bigotry, the interminable singing. 

They should not have adopted anything from the Torah.

 

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You'd be noting his contention that the OT was scandalous:

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the christians to apologize to me for all their past crimes. The threats, the bigotry, the interminable singing. 

They should not have adopted anything from the Torah.

 

 Remark above

RE :: You'd be noting Marcion's contention that the O.T. was scandalous :

 So good bye to passages like Nehemiah IX which even makes the tiniest reference to a minor portion of the content in the first five books found in the Hebrew sacred scriptures ? Sample Example/reference:

 

.: Nehemiah 9 “You saw the suffering of our ancestors in the land of Egypt .. for you knew how arrogantly the Egyptians treated them. You made a name for yourself, which remains to this day. 11 You divided the sea before them, so that they passed through it on dry ground. ."          

           

   Marcion, who came to Rome in AD 139, embraced such asceticism (hard to fault in part). He stands out because his teachings helped the church formally recognize those books that belong in the New Testament. According to Marcion, Yahweh is a demiurge, an evil god who occupies a lower plane of being than the pure spirit from which all things come. Yahweh created the physical world and is not Jesus’ father. Christ is the son of the loving, pure spirit and source of all, and He rescues us from the capricious Yahweh. Marcion removed all Old Testament references from Luke and ten of Paul’s letters, using this abbreviated canon to promote his aberrant views.Marcion wrote only a single work, Antitheses (Contradictions), in which he set forth his ideas. Some of these information about his teachings is drawn straight from those who were actively trying to debunk his ideas. Later historians called for a distinguishing between the doctrine of Marcion himself and that of his followers. Marcion "'was no Gnostic dreamer. He wanted a Christianity untrammeled and undefiled by association with Judaism. Christianity was the New Covenant pure and simple. Abstract questions on the origin of evil or on the essence of the Godhead interested him little, but the Old Testament was a scandal to the faithful and a stumbling-block to the refined and intellectual gentiles by its crudity and cruelty, and the Old Testament had to be set aside. The two great obstacles in his way he removed by drastic measures. He had to account for the existence of the Old Testament and he accounted for it by postulating a secondary deity, a demiurgus, who was god, in a sense, but not the supreme God; he was just, rigidly just, he had his good qualities, but he was not the good god" .. One of his critics wrote: "Let Marcion's eraser be ashamed of itself: except that it is superfluous for me to discuss the passages he has left out, since my case is stronger if he is shown wrong by those he has retained" [and] "the absolutely good god of Marcion, after so long a time, bestirred himself to destroy. I suppose, however, that by this time he bad ceased to be the absolutely good god; he had now sojourned a considerable while even with the Creator, and was no longer (like) the god of Epicurus purely and simply. For see how he condescends to the curse pre-eminence of both His attributes as the good God and Judge, that, as He had made clemency the preamble of His benediction so He should place severity in the sequel of His curses; thus fully developing His discipline in both directions, both in following out the blessing and in providing against the curse. (source written in the New Advent -- Catholic Encyclopedia).

 

 


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A_Nony_Mouse wrote:I think

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I think people should stop selectively sticking in the word ALL to change the meaning of a discussion and leading up to playing the antisemite card. Lets just stick to what I wrote and ignore your false restatement of it.

All you wrote was "Jews". Does that not mean "everyone who is Jewish"?  I think you should be more precise in your wording.

 


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the christians to apologize to me for all their past crimes. The threats, the bigotry, the interminable singing. 

I'll go along with that. I want an apology and I want all of these Mega churches that are raking in millions of dollars to open their doors to the I.R.S. and lose all their exemptions.

If all these big churches in my current city can interject all of their political agendas into the city council and the city council celebrates the New Year with a "prayer" breakfast before they start shoving new laws onto the books, then I think the churches ought to have to foot the bill.

Plus, I don't think it is fair that churches get to use the city sheriff's department to hold up traffic on some of the main roads on Sundays and have special stoplights. If they want to go worship, let them wait in the traffic jam they cause like all of the rest of us.

 

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danatemporary wrote:

A_Nony_Mouse wrote:

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the christians to apologize to me for all their past crimes. The threats, the bigotry, the interminable singing. 

They should not have adopted anything from the Torah.

 

 Remark above

RE :: You'd be noting Marcion's contention that the O.T. was scandalous :

 So good bye to passages like Nehemiah IX which even makes the tiniest reference to a minor portion of the content in the first five books found in the Hebrew sacred scriptures ? Sample Example/reference: ...

One does not need to invoke any old timer to see Christian god is entirely different from the jewsh god. The Christian attempts to put lipstick on the Jewish just do not work. They have to invoke faith and hellfire just to get the idea accepted.

However I was referring to the things named, threats, bigotry and the joyful noises. One judges people by what they do when in power not when a fearful minority. Look to self-proclaimed jewish Israel in their own news sources to see what they are really like.

But just sticking with the OT it is as selectively quoted for the good parts as is church history. Theory against practice. Do welcome the stranger into your midst as opposed to the mandated bigotry parts but if they stick around too long circumcise them.

 

 

 

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I think people should stop selectively sticking in the word ALL to change the meaning of a discussion and leading up to playing the antisemite card. Lets just stick to what I wrote and ignore your false restatement of it.

All you wrote was "Jews". Does that not mean "everyone who is Jewish"?  I think you should be more precise in your wording.

As native English speakers know, the use of some and all is not a required part of making a statement about a named group.

In this case, were I not to point it out to you, you would not note I do not say some English speakers. I am equally certain I can go back over your posts and find dozens of failures to use that qualifier because it is implied by context.

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A_Nony_Mouse wrote:As native

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As native English speakers know, the use of some and all is not a required part of making a statement about a named group.

In this case, were I not to point it out to you, you would not note I do not say some English speakers.

Yea, and when you say "as native English speakers know" I assume you are referring to ALL of them, or at least the vast majority. So, is this assumption correct?

 

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I am equally certain I can go back over your posts and find dozens of failures to use that qualifier because it is implied by context.

Well, if you'd like to do so, be my guest. I'm sure I could use to be more precise in my wording.

 


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the christians to apologize to me for all their past crimes. The threats, the bigotry, the interminable singing. 

They should not have adopted anything from the Torah.

 

 

As far as can be told, Torah is a mixture of older faith-based myths and legends. No doubt we should be filled with rage at Sumer and the Hittites. And the Kings and Queens of sedge and bee. 

Personally, I think the NT shows the christians were perfectly mental of their own volition and certainly less tolerant than jewish communities historically and with far less cause. 

But as pleasurable as discussing my general loathing of monotheism is, it's really the singing I'm most annoyed about, Nony.

Lying in bed at the manse twice a week with my penthouse variations and bras 'n things catalogue at the ready only to be interrupted by the St Andrews Church Choir pitching into another utterly pointless practice. 

The hymnal lyrics so farcical as to distract even the wild hormones of a fifteen-year-old from the textural wonders of pre-net porn. 

So - all you former christians, cue wheezy organ, crashing hand presentation and to the tune of When I Survey the Wondrous Cross - one, two three...

 

 The smoke of the infernal cave,

Which half the Christian world o’erspread,

Disperse, Thou heavenly Light, and save

The souls by that Impostor led,

That Arab-chief, as Satan bold,

Who quite destroy’d Thy Asian fold.


O might the blood of sprinkling cry

For those who spurn the sprinkled blood!

Assert Thy glorious Deity,

Stretch out Thine arm, Thou Triune God

The Unitarian fiend expel,

And chase his doctrine back to hell.

 

 

 

 

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Light of truth eh,

Light of truth eh, here, I give you the light of truth.

Do you know why theists worship the entity they call 'God', why they are so stubbornly, ignorantly, blindly believe in it? There is the explanation for this.

A realm of existence exists since the beings of a particular mental state (the inhabitants) come to existence. Thus different realm is inhabited by different type of being. Once upon a time, long long ago, a being with a particular mental state (for the first time, one with such mental state) came to existence. This being doesn't know the existence of other higher level realms above him. As the first inhabitant, he was alone in that realm, until later other beings (with similar mental state of course) come to existence.

The first citizen, being alone and seeing other beings appear, he thought he created them, he thought he is the ruler, the almighty, the Lord. He started to influence and convince others to honor, pay homage, worship him. From the other beings' perspective (maybe not all),  they thought the same way, they thought he is the creator, the ruler, the almighty, the Lord, since he was there before them. They became convinced, became his servants, followers, ministers, etc. They have faith in him.

When the other beings die and the consciousness(mental state) similar to human being's, human is the next form of existence, human baby is born. Somehow these people's subconscious still have the remains of his conviction in his previous Lord. This explains why they are blindly accept the concept of 'God' as their savior, so stubborn and ignorant to the point they could die for it. Theism somehow triggers the subconscious to subtly recall the former belief system, anyway it's the similar conviction.

So, we can say theists believe in deluded god, unaware of it.

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As native English speakers know, the use of some and all is not a required part of making a statement about a named group.

In this case, were I not to point it out to you, you would not note I do not say some English speakers.

Yea, and when you say "as native English speakers know" I assume you are referring to ALL of them, or at least the vast majority. So, is this assumption correct?

You are not listening. As stated it is both a correct and common form of English sentence. The precision use of it you mention below is neither found nor expected in everyday usage.

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I am equally certain I can go back over your posts and find dozens of failures to use that qualifier because it is implied by context.

Well, if you'd like to do so, be my guest. I'm sure I could use to be more precise in my wording.

Precision is not a necessary component of any language in every day style. Use of the language in precise form is limited to specific areas where it matters such as law and science. Using the lack of precision when the communication is not on a subject requiring precision as a manner of attacking what was said is barely above the level of a child's "I didn't say, Simon says."

You have tried to pull this stunt an inordinate number of times. It is a common style for those annoying creeps who go around trying to be offended. And yes there is an entire type of Jew that isn't happy unless it is discovering antisemitism in everything. Their only self-satisfaction is in thinking they are important enough to others to be hated. It is a very poor ego trip. And this is no secret. It has been the subject of more than one article in Forward.

 

Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.

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the christians to apologize to me for all their past crimes. The threats, the bigotry, the interminable singing. 

They should not have adopted anything from the Torah.

As far as can be told, Torah is a mixture of older faith-based myths and legends. No doubt we should be filled with rage at Sumer and the Hittites. And the Kings and Queens of sedge and bee.

Please. There is no evidence the Torah is any older than the 2nd c. BC and more likely early 1st c. BC. There is nothing but religious traditions suggesting it is older than that. There is nothing in the contents suggesting a greater  age. What little content there is that might suggest age is always much younger such as camels as pack animals. Beyond that there is no evidence of a literate culture which could have preserved the material over the centuries. Further collective memory and campfire tales is a modern invention. Moreover the people who claim the Torah never migrated from Ur nor had any connection with it. There is more.

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Personally, I think the NT shows the christians were perfectly mental of their own volition and certainly less tolerant than jewish communities historically and with far less cause.

The Torah is filled with tales of multiple genocides of the others. That they are fiction does not negate the source. In real history conversion by force of arms was started by the Maccabes who did that to the Samarians, Galileans and Idumaeans forcing them to adopt Judean cult practices including circumcision. By law and custom of the time, once circumcised the temple tax had to be paid no matter where they lived in either the Greek or Roman empires.

In any event bible stories praised destroying the other. The history of Josephus and books of Maccabe advocated conversion by the sword. If Christians had picked up on the Roman approach it would have been live and let live with other religions. But instead it picked up on Judean literature and custom as role model.

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But as pleasurable as discussing my general loathing of monotheism is, it's really the singing I'm most annoyed about, Nony.

Lying in bed at the manse twice a week with my penthouse variations and bras 'n things catalogue at the ready only to be interrupted by the St Andrews Church Choir pitching into another utterly pointless practice. 

The hymnal lyrics so farcical as to distract even the wild hormones of a fifteen-year-old from the textural wonders of pre-net porn. 

So - all you former christians, cue wheezy organ, crashing hand presentation and to the tune of When I Survey the Wondrous Cross - one, two three...

 The smoke of the infernal cave,

Which half the Christian world o’erspread,

Disperse, Thou heavenly Light, and save

The souls by that Impostor led,

That Arab-chief, as Satan bold,

Who quite destroy’d Thy Asian fold.


O might the blood of sprinkling cry

For those who spurn the sprinkled blood!

Assert Thy glorious Deity,

Stretch out Thine arm, Thou Triune God

The Unitarian fiend expel,

And chase his doctrine back to hell.

I did not realize it was so literally true for you. Perhaps they could still be sued at this late date. They are winning against church bells these days.

 

Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.

www.ussliberty.org

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www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml


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YOU SIR, YOU ARE PROMOTING COLD BLOODED MURDER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE!

You worship a being who allows eternal torture--you WORSHIP the ultimate evil. Why should anyone listen to what you say on matters of morality?

QFT.

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If Adam Lanza had lived, should his horrifying deed have gone unpunished? 

People with mental health problems need treatment, not punishment. In your philosophy, your god gets the blame. He's the one who crossed the wires in Adams head.

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Wasn't Columbine connected to Atheism?

Wasn't Columbine connected to bullying?

James E. Holmes: mental health again.

Timothy McVeigh: mental health again.

Actually, everything you mention is small time and unrelated to atheism. Lets go big, so we can see where the true horrors lie:

Aids in Africa: christians.
Crusades: christians.
WW2: christians.

The christian religion is responsible for more death than any other faith, or lack thereof.

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A_Nony_Mouse wrote:You are

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You are not listening. As stated it is both a correct and common form of English sentence. The precision use of it you mention below is neither found nor expected in everyday usage.

Use of the language in precise form is limited to specific areas where it matters such as law and science.

You have tried to pull this stunt an inordinate number of times.

The three above statements are correct on almost all counts. However, there is one flaw: it is not a "stunt" if I actually don't know what you mean and am asking you to clarify. You may say I do know what you mean and am being obtuse--you'd be wrong. You may say I'm not a native English speaker--you'd also be wrong. You may say I'm deficient in understanding context--you'd probably be right.

I'm not Jewish, and I'm not claiming you're an antisemite. You are, however, a self-proclaimed anti-Zionist.

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After rereading the conversation, I saw I had been impolite and accusatory before requesting clarification. I apologize for that, A_Nony_Mouse.

I don't know whether or not you agree, but I still don't think any individual should be asked to apologize for crimes he/she did not commit.

Regarding the sentence for which I requested clarification: I imagine most, if not all, of the other commenters understood your sentence just fine. I, however, did not. This seems to be because of something wrong with me, rather than with your writing.

Whatever problem it was, it was not dishonesty. And, it certainly seems to me that's exactly what you accused me of. If I'm correct, I ask you take more care in your future accusations.

Additionally, even if you don't care at all about me or what I say, not making false accusations is still a good idea.


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I am sure if someone can find the Youtube clip of the MAD TV spoof "The Greatst Action Story Ever Sold", post it here. My abacus cant handle video.But funny stuff. It has the Terminator going back in time to save Jesus. "Come with me if you want to live".

It really demonstrates the absurdity of the magic man Jesus. If you are going to swallow the bullshit of virgin births or magically curing the blind or surviving physical death, why not throw time travel in too?

I love it in that clip when the Terminator shoots Judas and Jesus shouts at him, "Why did you do that", "He betrayed you" "I KNOW!"  Jesus cures Judas and the Terminator shoots him again, "STOP KILLING JUDAS!"

 

 

That's fantastic! I remember seeing that! too bad the audio was mono..

 


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As far as can be told, Torah is a mixture of older faith-based myths and legends. No doubt we should be filled with rage at Sumer and the Hittites. And the Kings and Queens of sedge and bee.

Please. There is no evidence the Torah is any older than the 2nd c. BC and more likely early 1st c. BC. There is nothing but religious traditions suggesting it is older than that. There is nothing in the contents suggesting a greater  age. What little content there is that might suggest age is always much younger such as camels as pack animals. Beyond that there is no evidence of a literate culture which could have preserved the material over the centuries. Further collective memory and campfire tales is a modern invention. Moreover the people who claim the Torah never migrated from Ur nor had any connection with it. There is more.

 

I don't know about the exact age of judaism. The point was that the OT stole the ten commandments from the hittites, inherited El, Yahweh and Asherah from the Canaanites, knocked off the flood myth from Sumer, and the ideas of heavenly justice from Egypt. Numerology from the greeks. And Gaia knows what else. Religions evolve so it's unlikely there were any creative ideas in the OT. It would have been a patchwork of myths from the middle east and the med and probably as far away as India.

The judeans happened to sit on the fulcrum of the development of printed word and some of their number had a gnostic interpretation of god, originally a very liberal and cosmopolitan rendering of the singular OT god, that happened to be appropriated by the Romans, et al. I can't imagine that unique among the people of their time, jewish folk contrived a more monstrous god than any of their neighbours. Though perhaps it's the insistence on a single god that's the key thing. One god springloads a faith with bigotry against all outsiders or unbelievers. 

More likely, though, the evolutionary nature of religion means that torah is a window into religious beliefs far older than it is.

 

 

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But as pleasurable as discussing my general loathing of monotheism is, it's really the singing I'm most annoyed about, Nony.

Lying in bed at the manse twice a week with my penthouse variations and bras 'n things catalogue at the ready only to be interrupted by the St Andrews Church Choir pitching into another utterly pointless practice. 

The hymnal lyrics so farcical as to distract even the wild hormones of a fifteen-year-old from the textural wonders of pre-net porn. 

So - all you former christians, cue wheezy organ, crashing hand presentation and to the tune of When I Survey the Wondrous Cross - one, two three...

 The smoke of the infernal cave,

Which half the Christian world o’erspread,

Disperse, Thou heavenly Light, and save

The souls by that Impostor led,

That Arab-chief, as Satan bold,

Who quite destroy’d Thy Asian fold.


O might the blood of sprinkling cry

For those who spurn the sprinkled blood!

Assert Thy glorious Deity,

Stretch out Thine arm, Thou Triune God

The Unitarian fiend expel,

And chase his doctrine back to hell.

 

I did not realize it was so literally true for you. Perhaps they could still be sued at this late date. They are winning against church bells these days.

 

 

the road from...a church hall. Every summer when the windows are open - that's right now when you're living upside down - the howling, mindless assertions of the twice-born assail me several nights a week. 

Happily there's jazz on Saturday nights and I'm usually riding my motorbike on Raday mornings. 

 

 

 

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Small Quibble . . . .

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   .. inherited El, Yahweh and Asherah from the Canaanites, knocked off the flood myth from Sumer

 

 

   Small quibble, I just have this one small quibble Yam, Yamm, Yaw, Yw ISN'T the origin of the god 'Yahweh'. I was

trying to track down Jon Days work for some 2 to 3 yrs--I finally found a copy but my Grandpa had just died so I no-longer

cared about the sought after book,. Typology is all wrong,  Sumero-Akkadian religious texts and Ugaritic epics (and materials),

mention the 70 Sons of El. However, and the materials are so fragmented the list of 70 seems to be lost to time. In point of fact, No

one knows if Yahweh was specifically mentioned as one of the Sons of 'El' or not. If you review the interlinear in Kramer & Jacobsen

which allows you to make the correct understanding in this. Fore clearly noticeable many names for bodies of water will end in either

yam or yama (Hebrew example is Sea of reeds ::Yam suph). It  has clear parallels rightly the Baal Cycle AND the show down with Bel

(Marduk) with his eagle mace.  Anyhow, Etymology does not lie by its' roots with Yw. Furthermore, Beyond that Yahweh was/is not

a body of water. Nor was/is Yahweh the  river of  Judgement (or River to Hell). Btw, for the Xs of this world this is not something

you can find online. 

 

  P.s. -- I always wanted to stand where the river to hell once was. Deeply strange pilgrimage, I know,  of no little significance,.

 

 


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   .. inherited El, Yahweh and Asherah from the Canaanites, knocked off the flood myth from Sumer

   Small quibble, I just have this one small quibble Yam, Yamm, Yaw, Yw ISN'T the origin of the god 'Yahweh'. I was

trying to track down Jon Days work for some 2 to 3 yrs--I finally found a copy but my Grandpa had just died so I no-longer

cared about the sought after book,. Typology is all wrong,  Sumero-Akkadian religious texts and Ugaritic epics (and materials),

mention the 70 Sons of El. However, and the materials are so fragmented the list of 70 seems to be lost to time. In point of fact, No

one knows if Yahweh was specifically mentioned as one of the Sons of 'El' or not. If you review the interlinear in Kramer & Jacobsen

which allows you to make the correct understanding in this. Fore clearly noticeable many names for bodies of water will end in either

yam or yama (Hebrew example is Sea of reeds ::Yam suph). It  has clear parallels rightly the Baal Cycle AND the show down with Bel

(Marduk) with his eagle mace.  Anyhow, Etymology does not lie by its' roots with Yw. Furthermore, Beyond that Yahweh was/is not

a body of water. Nor was/is Yahweh the  river of  Judgement (or River to Hell). Btw, for the Xs of this world this is not something

you can find online. 

 

  P.s. -- I always wanted to stand where the river to hell once was. Deeply strange pilgrimage, I know,  of no little significance,. 

Google hunters are quite limited by what can be found online, but they can sometimes get lucky with the previews in Google Books.

http://books.google.com.au/books?hl=en&lr=&id=y-gfwlltlRwC has Day's chapter on Yahweh and El for example, so that'll keep me busy for a bit.

It helps when one is told what to look for, but sometimes one just has to copy and paste what Dana says.

By the way, that Hawking TV series that was called Curiosity in the US was shown here on free-to-air just after you mentioned it under the title Stephen Hawking's Grand Design. It was good.

I suspect many people would like to go to the River to Hell, by handcart ideally.


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Those Tuckered out, Then the Goodnight Song

 

  Fondest hopes and dreams  to the 0P

    Sept. in 2013

" Lilith- מ"ק '' and good night  Now the daytime is over
  Time to slip up to your dreamland
  I will keep you safe and warm
(Stanza II)
  "Lilith-Abi" and good night ; there is nothing to fear
  "Lilith-Abi" and good night ; when you wake I’ll be near
  Oh, "Lilith-Abi" and good night  There is nothing
   to fear  "Lilith-Abi" and good night
  When you wake I’ll be near
   

  "Lilith-bye" or "Lilith-Abi" (or Begone)  and "goodnight" I will keep you safe and warm   ¬ ("Goodnight Song" )

      Broker a lasting  peace or why not assume people are not out to piss-all over each others' little Forum Threads.  I see no value to stepping  on people to  obtain objectives  nor  what you're wanting to do in any way lately

   [ Quick  & necessary sm. Edit :: Edit -- Dotting "i"s ; and crossing "t"s ,  it is the variant of the word for  Begone(מ"ק) , and (מ"ק), but not the popular given name, parents give. ]

 


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Controversial topic - controversial FIRST WIFE before Eve

I will choose to focus my energies, where they are needed at the given moment in view of the bigger-picture, I have a memory though

 

Controversial topic, of that controversial FIRST WIFE before Eve

(found in extra Biblical sources and Jewish Folklore) ::

 

It's all almost over and done. Although there is room for improvement, in terms of sensitivities towards a certain ''other'' NEVER  mentioned mother's tearfulness.  Who needs artificial stimulants  with such a reference. Not only her, but everyone  0ff-site has a tendency to  react, and reacts with such pique or  infuriation, in-the worst way possible, in terms of “Victorian” prudishness,  to almost  a breaking of the spinal column (e.g. – back) degree, (if I allowed it).

 FYI  --  One of the many reasons Lilith is consider so controversial (Seen here and Below) ::

  Eden's backdrop -- We view in Jewish Folklore, the Lilith stories all include : Lilith was Adam’s first wife but the couple fought all the time. ''They didn’t see eye-to-eye on matters of sex because Adam always wanted to be on top while Lilith also wanted a turn in the dominant sexual position''. When they could not agree, Lilith decided to leave Adam. Lilith refuses to lie beneath him "a sexual position" Adam nevertheless insisted that she submit to him, her words were  “I will not lie below,” and he (Adam) said, “I will not lie beneath you, but only on top".



 0ff - site ::

''. .desire gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is of full growth . . (well we all know what that leads to) ''

http://www.rationalresponders.com/forum/33796?page=1#comment-402104

http://www.rationalresponders.com/forum/33796?page=1 Nu# 56

Now would you like to understand ''why'' this was written, or do you even seek to understand anything ?


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↑ 0ff -site Lilith is acting in a interesting way isnt she ?

 ↑  0ff -site Lilith is acting in a interesting way isn't she ?

  To All Well, At least you can remain self-assured you are not the type to even mention such a vivid lurid world conversation, as is described within the Jewish folklore (above).  Let's not Freak out (at any age)!!

 

  0ff -site   To Whom It May Concern ::

  Addressed to  0ff-site ::   You may realize that your partner doesn’t like something you do, but yet, you make no effort to change or try to reassure them. When is the 'male' allowed to speak words of reassurance ? I think I've exhausted  my patience completely   now with someone who refuses to accept any evidence that goes against the traditions or the group think  of  preconceived conclusion(s); where you're 100 percent right and I am always 100 percent wrong . .

  Not to scare you off, but there is the possible to either move on or to have thoughts about Future considerations, right ? Acceptance and willingness to be open to a future.  What do you plan on accomplishing or building with this stumbling block ?!??!!!?????????????  we should also realize that sometimes people are going to react badly.
 

  I am waiting  obviously,  I know it really needs to wait but what do we choose in the meantime then ?

 Galatians 6:9  Let us not lose heart in doing good, for in due time we will reap if we do not grow weary.

 

    The Antediluvian world is not a christian one, hun.  Think for yourself for a change

                                   Yet even the sea is not so full of me
                                   If I'm not blind why can't I see?

 p.s. -- To All Well, At least you can remain self-assured you are not the type to even mention such a vivid lurid world conversation, as is described within the Jewish folklore (above).

 


 

 

 


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Misc. --- Misc. passage from the Gospel of St Luke.

 

Gospel of St Luke  Ch. XI (and a reference in Saint Matthew's Gospel):

  Woe to you who are well fed now,     for you will go hungry. Woe to you who laugh now,  for you will mourn and weep. Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you,  for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets.  Love your Enemies  “But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you .. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you. “If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them..

 


 


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Strength , there's all sorts of strength

 

> Strength -- there's all sorts  of  strength

   This is posted to lurkers  if  you like,  and is unrelated to MUCH of this site or this Thread  --

    So   you   don't  have to worry  about this being  related  to the Thread or not . . .

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    So just remember . .  just remember ::

 

  There  are  all  sorts  of  Strength --  See:: Uploaded Image from the Book of Judges --

 "Judg-16-21" '' . . Binding the mighty Sampson with bronze shackles, they set him to grinding grain in the prison. But the hair on his head began to grow again after it had been shaved.Now the rulers of the Philistines assembled to offer a great sacrifice to Dagon to celebrate, saying, “Our god has delivered Samson, our enemy, into our hands. When the people saw him, they praised their god, saying, Our god has delivered our enemy the one who laid waste our land and multiplied our slain.

While they were in high spirits, they shouted, “Bring out Samson to entertain us.” So they called Samson out of the prison, and he performed for them. When they stood him among the pillars, Samson said to the servant who held his hand, “Put me where I can feel the pillars that support the temple, so that I may lean against them. Now the temple was crowded with men and women; all the rulers of the Philistines were there, and on the roof were about three thousand men and women watching Samson perform.Then Samson prayed to the Lord Sovereign LORD remember me! Please, G-d, strengthen me just once more, and let me with one blow get revenge on the Philistines for my two eyes.”  Then Samson reached toward the two central pillars on which the temple stood. Bracing himself against them, his right hand on the one and his left hand  on the other, Samson said, “Let me die with the Philistines!” Then he pushed with all  his might, and down came the temple on the rulers and all the people in it. Thus he killed many more when he died than while he lived. Then his brothers and his father whole family went down to get him. They brought him back and buried him between Zorah and Eshtaol in the tomb of Manoah his father.''

 

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   R e  ::  Greastest story  from the books reflections of  faiths of  the Prophets . .

   Greastest story  from the books reflections of faiths of the Prophets . .

 


 > The smiles of a child, are the many flowers, Oooh  Child things are going  to get easier.  I think the natural  fear would be a natural worry if a guy is absentee, is he's not going to be there. Ever. Never again in the way that he was, at first. He's gone. For good.   Right ?!?

    Vices are common to us all . . .  It's good to admit to each other when we are wrong.  Communication is a must, I am glad there is a soon chance to communicate some more . . .

BHIMA (Bheem) AND HANUMAN  (Story from Mahabharata)
 
'' . . Arjuna had gone to the Himalayas in quest of Divine weapons from Indra. In case of war he would have to face invincible warriors like Bhishma, Drona, Kripa, Aswatthama, Karna and many others. For this it was necessary to acquire more power. The other four Pandavas  and Draupadi found life devoid of joy in his absence. Desiring a change of scene, they now moved on in search of  a more peaceful place, inside the forest. At last they came to the Narayanasrama forest. They decided to take rest and stay there for a while. One day, the north-east wind wafted a flower near Draupadi. The sweet scent of the flower charmed her. Draupadi felt a deep desire to possess that flower known as Saugandhika. She requested Bhima to get her that flower. She was very insistent. Bhima was only too pleased. To satisfy her least desire. He forthwith set out. In the direction from which  the  fragrance came. The way through the forest was far from easy. Before long at the foot of a mountain  he (Bhima) saw a huge  monkey resting on his path, blocking his way. He asked the  monkey to get up and clear the way for him. The monkey was in no mood to oblige. It said: “I am too old and weak to move. You can jump over me” Lacking humility Bhima, Incensed by this insolence, again asked  the Monkey to move. He said ‘You  old monkey, You don’t know  who you are talking to. I am a Kshatriya  from the Kuru race. I am the son of Kunti  and the Wind god. Kunti gave birth to Bhima by invoking the God of wind, Vayu. I am the mighty Bheem.  So, if you offend me any further, you will incur my wrath. I command you to better get up and move aside without. Wasting  my time. The monkey said “If you are in such hurry, you can move my tail aside; And go ahead.” Bhima’s (Bheem's) threats did not have. Any effect on the monkey. Instead, it asked “Who is Hanuman. Tell me what is so great about him. What did he do?” Bhima told him “How can you  be so very silly and ignorant? Have you not heard of the mighty Hanuman who jumped over to Lanka, across the sea, one Hundred  yojanas wide, to find Sita , Rama’s Wife? Indeed you are ignorant” The monkey only smiled. Finding no other way, Bhima tried  to pull the monkey’s tail aside .But he could  not move it even  a little bit. He put all his might in the endeavor, but to no avail. He was all perspiration. In spite of his best efforts  he  could not move the tail, despite his uncanny physcial strength! As such the question of challenging this monkey for a show of strength did not arise. He felt very. Humiliated and subdued. He told  the monkey “You are no ordinary monkey. Please tell me . Who you are. I accept defeat  and bow to you”. Hanuman said “Bhima (Bheem), I am  that Hanuman. I am your brother, Shri Hanuman. Your path  ahead is perilous. It is the path of the gods and is not safe for men.  Look, I came to  strongly caution  you. I knew you have. Come to collect the  Saugandhika flower. I Shall show you the pond, where this  flower Grows. You can  collect as many as you want And go back. Bhima was happy. He bowed. To Hanuman and requested him  to show his Huge form in which he jumped over the sea, One hundred yojanas wide, to land on Lanka. Hanuman increased his size till he seemed To occupy  the whole landscape, like a hill. His form was dazzlingly white ; so Bhima had to cover his eyes . Resuming his normal form, Hanuman embraced  Bhima and blessed Him. He also assured him  “When you roar Like a lion on the battle field, my voice shall join yours  and strike terror  in the hearts of your enemies. I will be there on the flag of The chariot of Arjuna .You will be victorious”. With Hanuman’s embrace Bhima’s strength had also increased. Hanuman wanted to free. His brother Bhima from his ego.  In the ending part of the  Mausala Parva, Yudhisthira explains his brother's vice was gluttony; the account where Shri Yudhisthira, in the discourse by the son of Dharma, we find the mighty Bhima was also a glutton.. ''
 

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   Maybe because the subject has come up so much on the television at the stop and on the radio of late.  This  made me think about  family and about marriage  oddly enough . . .

 

1.  WHY do you want to get married?

 

    There are many possible answers of course; being in love, wanting a home of your own, wanting a family of your own, your body clock is ticking, wanting to get away from abusive parents,  desire to intensify the level of love in your life, your status or standing in the community. It is not always the same universally for each and every individual. Basically  You never know without being clear about what is going on in the mind of each individual. 

What’s wrong with that? For the most part, pretty much nothing! Afterall, According to the  sacred tradition. It was Atik Yomin's (e.g. - God’s) idea in the first place!

In Parshah Bereishit (Parshah Bereishit) Ch. 2:24 it clearly says:

 

    For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

 

And the New Testament record quotes these very words, an example in Gospel of Saint Mark 10:7-8, in so concluding “So they are no longer two, but one.”

 

 

  Let me know, You see,  I've already  d o t t e d  m y  '' i '' s  a n d  c r o s s e d  m y  '' t '' s , O t a y !

 

  

    Thank you for checking this all out. It's all good fodder for conversation and real discourse, at least  I'd always think  .  .  Hello   . .  Hello  ?