Was Jesus the expected messiah or mashiach?
If yes or no , Why? And where is this documented ?
I think you hit the bull's eye when you said, " You don't want to face conviction for your sins........If Jesus doesn't exist, then I can happily sin all I want with no worries, and treat people however I wanted. It doesn't matter. We are all worm food in the end ,right?"
What he hit was his own foot with a bullet.
Because this :
If Jesus doesn't exist, then I can happily sin all I want with no worries, and treat people however I wanted.
..does not make any kind of sense at all.
TWD39 wrote:funny how an artifact like the shroud of turin has skeptics scrambling like ants to find any any way to discredit it ..
Turin Shroud is a very interesting object, and worthy of its' own thread. You would find to your surprise there is interest on this board in the object, with a lot of science surrounding the examinations of claims about it. However, It is a controversial object and singularly able to stir more heat than light, pretty easy to wick-up. That does not mean it cannot be discussed. It requires critical thinking . . Mini-Updates
There are 3 working papers posited and supported the hypothesis that the 1988 C-14
dating of the. Shroud of Turin was skewed due to such an “invisible” 16th Century
patch . Due to interweaving newer fibers with older (a common practice of conservancy at the Vatican of the time)
The Turin Shroud is a linen cloth bearing the image of a man who appears to have been physically traumatized in a manner consistent with crucifixion. It is kept in the royal chapel of the Cathedral of Saint John the Baptist in Turin, Italy, from which it derives its most common name. Some believe the Shroud of Turin is the burial cloth of Jesus and that his image was recorded on its fibers at his resurrection. Others contend it is a medieval hoax or forgery. The question of its true origins continues to be the subject of intense debate among some scientists, believers, historians and writers, even today.
..That said, however, you might want to check the link BEFORE much else is further said :
The double superficiality of the frontal image of the Turin Shoud .. (article from iopscience.iop.org).
Photographs of the back surface of the Turin Shroud were analysed to verify the existence of a double body image of a
man on the opposite side. The body image is very faint and the 'other' face is even fainter...
It's a fascinating topic. I don't think we'll ever truly know its origins though.