No such thing as a safe tan

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ScienceDaily (July 23, 2012) — A new study conducted by GW School of Medicine and Health Sciences (SMHS) researchers Edward C. De Fabo, Ph.D., Frances P. Noonan, Ph.D., and Anastas Popratiloff, M.D., Ph.D., has been published in the journal Nature Communications.

"This is the first time that UV-induced melanin formation (tanning), traditionally thought to protect against skin cancer, is shown to be directly involved in melanoma formation in mammals," said De Fabo, who is professor emeritus at SMHS. "Skin melanoma is the most lethal of the skin cancers. Our study shows that we were able to discover this new role for melanin by cleanly separating UVA from UVB and exposing our experimental melanoma animal model with these separated wavebands using our unique UV light system designed and set up at GW. Dermatologists have been warning for years there is no such thing as a safe tan and this new data appears to confirm this."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/07/120723134751.htm

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Vastet wrote:ScienceDaily

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ScienceDaily (July 23, 2012) — A new study conducted by GW School of Medicine and Health Sciences (SMHS) researchers Edward C. De Fabo, Ph.D., Frances P. Noonan, Ph.D., and Anastas Popratiloff, M.D., Ph.D., has been published in the journal Nature Communications. "This is the first time that UV-induced melanin formation (tanning), traditionally thought to protect against skin cancer, is shown to be directly involved in melanoma formation in mammals," said De Fabo, who is professor emeritus at SMHS. "Skin melanoma is the most lethal of the skin cancers. Our study shows that we were able to discover this new role for melanin by cleanly separating UVA from UVB and exposing our experimental melanoma animal model with these separated wavebands using our unique UV light system designed and set up at GW. Dermatologists have been warning for years there is no such thing as a safe tan and this new data appears to confirm this." http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/07/120723134751.htm

Now while there certainly is lots for me to blast Beyond about on economic issues, and while I agree, there is no such thing as a safe tan, either on the beach or in a salon, you are never going to get humans to only do things that are always healthy for them.

Where I agree with Beyond is tanning booths and cigarettes and booze SHOULD remain legal. Where I part company with him are on two issues. They should be regulated, and if the product is potentially dangerous, or flat out outright dangerous, there should be a warning label on the product and it should be age restricted.

A current example of where I might agree with him has made recent news. There is a magnet company that sells metallic round magnets. In this case I think they are being singled out. Having worked at Toys R Us and seen all the crappy toys that have choking hazzards, are still sold because of the warning label on them. Much like I have no right to bitch because I smoke.

BUT where I part company with Beyond is that if these companies are willing to sell these products to people who have no health care, then they should not complain about use of medicade or the emergency room. Otherwise the only choice I see is that the product be banned, which would simply make it worse like black market illegal drugs, or make the use of the product income dependent, and they damned sure wouldn't do that because they don't care who they sell to.

I don't think that because I am poor and smoke, means that if I get cancer, I shouldn't get treatment, otherwise that is social darwinism based on money equals power.

In the case of this magnet company, the only thing I would force them to do is slap a warning label on it. I saw these things on TV, and I cant see how anyone could think they are edible? I had marbles as a kid, I could have choked on those.

 

 

 

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Meh. If people want to fry

Meh. If people want to fry themselves in the evil sun that's their problem. No product should ever be banned. This is a safety/warning message for those who don't want shitty skin for the cost of a tan. Eye-wink

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Vastet wrote:Meh. If people

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Meh. If people want to fry themselves in the evil sun that's their problem. No product should ever be banned. This is a safety/warning message for those who don't want shitty skin for the cost of a tan. Eye-wink

Agreed, but where I part company with Beyond is that if all of us agree that people should be allowed to do stupid shit(I smoke), and those who sell these products don't care about your income and are willing to take your money, then they should not bitch when we need medical help and cant pay for it.

He is a fucking idiot if he thinks he could get even poor republicans who drink and smoke to agree to a law that when you buy something you have to have proof of income.

Unlike him, I think that if we agree that WE should live in a free society, AND I DO, that that "freedom" is not income based. Otherwise all he is advocating is money equals power.

I think where this magnet company got in trouble is that they didn't test it first, and they would not be in this mess if they had put out a warning label from the start.

Now having said that, the deed is done. I would tell them to settle out of court, and slap a warning label on the magnets in the future. But I would not want them to go out of business.

 

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Comments by a former Tanning Salon Owner

As you may know I owned tanning salons in Orlando for almost 20 years. The tanning industry in Florida has been regulated by the State of Florida since 1992. There are warning signs on the walls, on the beds, signed disclosures, requirements & permissions for minors,  recommended amounts of exposure, required training for the owners, required training the owner must give to the employees, remote timer controlled by the operator, emergency shut offs, etc.

If you really want the whole story about the lies told about tanning by the FDA, the ACS (American Cancer Society), the AMA, the AAD (American Academy of Dermatology) among others visit the following link - http://www.tanningtruth.com/

Dermatologists use tanning lamps themselves for various skin related conditions such as psoriasis. I had over 30 people who came on a regular basis per their doctor's orders. They also get funded by the sunscreen companies to the tune of millions per year.

In Florida this is covered by Florida Statute http://archive.flsenate.gov/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0300-0399/0381/Sections/0381.89.html

In addition, the State Health Dept established rules per the statute - http://www.doh.state.fl.us/environment/community/tanning/pdfs/64e-17.pdf

The local health department inspects each salon twice a year. In addition state inspectors and the FDA can visit anytime on a surprise inspection.

All tanning devices sold for use in the US also must comply to the Federal requirements per 21 CFR 1040.20 see - http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-1999-title21-vol1/content-detail.html

The State charges the following by the Health Department for licenses - 1 bed $150 annual, each additional @ $55 to a maximum of $315.

Not to mention Florida's Occupational licenses for each city and county which can amount to about $500 per year.

During the 1990s these rates were higher and eventually settled at the above.

In addition to help fund CHIPS the Children's Insurance program passed in 2009, a 10% Federal tax on all indoor tans was added.

The big pharmaceutical companies own the major sun screen lotion companies and are the major force against tanning. This industry rakes in billions per year in revenue using scare tactics. The AAD (the dermatology group) gets their marketing money from them. They also get royalty payments for endorsing products - "Chemical Sunscreen manufacturers are not allowed to advertise that chemical sunscreen prevents melanoma. So chemical sunscreen companies pay Dermatology groups millions of dollars to endorse their product and make that claim on their behalf."

Sunscreen ingredients and chemicals are not benign to the human body either, they build up in the DNA and can cause serious illness and cancer.

Then there is the vitamin D aspect. Those who receive adequate or high does of vitamin D have lower incidents of certain cancers such as breast and colon. In addition they are generally healthier and fend off more diseases.

So, it is in the interest of the medical industry to keep you away from the sun so they can keep their revenue stream flowing. Feel free, follow their advice and see where you end up.

I have been tanning myself since I was about 20. I used my own tanning beds for the 20 years I owned the salons. I have not even 1 cancerous growth.

All 50 states and the DC of Columbia have some form of regulations.

As of 2011, 31 states regulate tanning by minors with California banning it for those under 18 see - http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/health/indoor-tanning-restrictions-for-minors.aspx

 

The medical industry needs to look at their own house and record.

Number of persons who die from melanoma annually in the US - 8700 est from  http://www.skincancer.org/skin-cancer-information/skin-cancer-facts

Number of people killed by the medical industry due to malpractice - 100,000 to 250,000 depending on what you count and who reports it. The CDC does not count it in the leading causes of death, if they did it would be well up in the top ten.

see - http://www.justice.org/resources/Medical_Negligence_Primer.pdf

http://foderalawfirm.com/medical-malpractice-statistics

http://www.2keller.com/library/medical-malpractice-statistics.cfm

200,000 killed annually by medical malpractice versus 9,000 from melanoma leads one to wonder why they don't address their own problems first before spending the efforts and money to eradicate an industry. Probably because they realize that stopping tanning will increase or keep their revenue stream and they are incapable of correcting their own mistakes anyway.

For more information on indoor tanning, training required, certification, etc

see - http://smarttan.com/

http://www.theita.com/

http://www.tanningtruth.com/

http://www.tanningtraining.com/btc/ch10.html?prodid=2

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pauljohntheskeptic wrote:As

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As you may know I owned tanning salons in Orlando for almost 20 years. The tanning industry in Florida has been regulated by the State of Florida since 1992. There are warning signs on the walls, on the beds, signed disclosures, requirements & permissions for minors,  recommended amounts of exposure, required training for the owners, required training the owner must give to the employees, remote timer controlled by the operator, emergency shut offs, etc.

If you really want the whole story about the lies told about tanning by the FDA, the ACS (American Cancer Society), the AMA, the AAD (American Academy of Dermatology) among others visit the following link - http://www.tanningtruth.com/

Dermatologists use tanning lamps themselves for various skin related conditions such as psoriasis. I had over 30 people who came on a regular basis per their doctor's orders. They also get funded by the sunscreen companies to the tune of millions per year.

In Florida this is covered by Florida Statute http://archive.flsenate.gov/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0300-0399/0381/Sections/0381.89.html

In addition, the State Health Dept established rules per the statute - http://www.doh.state.fl.us/environment/community/tanning/pdfs/64e-17.pdf

The local health department inspects each salon twice a year. In addition state inspectors and the FDA can visit anytime on a surprise inspection.

All tanning devices sold for use in the US also must comply to the Federal requirements per 21 CFR 1040.20 see - http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-1999-title21-vol1/content-detail.html

The State charges the following by the Health Department for licenses - 1 bed $150 annual, each additional @ $55 to a maximum of $315.

Not to mention Florida's Occupational licenses for each city and county which can amount to about $500 per year.

During the 1990s these rates were higher and eventually settled at the above.

In addition to help fund CHIPS the Children's Insurance program passed in 2009, a 10% Federal tax on all indoor tans was added.

The big pharmaceutical companies own the major sun screen lotion companies and are the major force against tanning. This industry rakes in billions per year in revenue using scare tactics. The AAD (the dermatology group) gets their marketing money from them. They also get royalty payments for endorsing products - "Chemical Sunscreen manufacturers are not allowed to advertise that chemical sunscreen prevents melanoma. So chemical sunscreen companies pay Dermatology groups millions of dollars to endorse their product and make that claim on their behalf."

Sunscreen ingredients and chemicals are not benign to the human body either, they build up in the DNA and can cause serious illness and cancer.

Then there is the vitamin D aspect. Those who receive adequate or high does of vitamin D have lower incidents of certain cancers such as breast and colon. In addition they are generally healthier and fend off more diseases.

So, it is in the interest of the medical industry to keep you away from the sun so they can keep their revenue stream flowing. Feel free, follow their advice and see where you end up.

I have been tanning myself since I was about 20. I used my own tanning beds for the 20 years I owned the salons. I have not even 1 cancerous growth.

All 50 states and the DC of Columbia have some form of regulations.

As of 2011, 31 states regulate tanning by minors with California banning it for those under 18 see - http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/health/indoor-tanning-restrictions-for-minors.aspx

 

The medical industry needs to look at their own house and record.

Number of persons who die from melanoma annually in the US - 8700 est from  http://www.skincancer.org/skin-cancer-information/skin-cancer-facts

Number of people killed by the medical industry due to malpractice - 100,000 to 250,000 depending on what you count and who reports it. The CDC does not count it in the leading causes of death, if they did it would be well up in the top ten.

see - http://www.justice.org/resources/Medical_Negligence_Primer.pdf

http://foderalawfirm.com/medical-malpractice-statistics

http://www.2keller.com/library/medical-malpractice-statistics.cfm

200,00 killed annually by medical malpractice versus 9,000 from melanoma leads one to wonder why they don't address their own problems first before spending the efforts and money to eradicate an industry. Probably because they realize that stopping tanning will increase or keep their revenue stream and they are incapable of correcting their own mistakes anyway.

For more information on indoor tanning, training required, certification, etc

see - http://smarttan.com/

http://www.theita.com/

http://www.tanningtruth.com/

http://www.tanningtraining.com/btc/ch10.html?prodid=2

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So it all becomes a balancing act. How does one allow people to do what they want, and regulate, without either the freedom or the regulation becoming abusive?

 

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Brian37 wrote:There is not

Brian37 wrote:

There is not one human venture in our species evolution, be it government, or religion or private business, that cannot be manipulated or monopolized or abusive. All of those things are human endeavors, subject to both the good actions and bad actions of the humans who take part in them.

So it all becomes a balancing act. How does one allow people to do what they want, and regulate, without either the freedom or the regulation becoming abusive?

 

Most state laws seem to be reasonable from what I know. My experiences were in Florida. The inspectors came without warning and verfied you followed the rules. Records were checked, cleanliness, timer operation, verification you had permissions from minors, warning signs, verfication that you had the correct lamps in the beds per FDA and manufacturer. All of this to me was fair.

California OTOH now bans tanning by minors in tanning salons. Instead they will lay out on the beach and get burned to a crisp instead of learning how to develop a tan without burning. Burning causes skin damage, especially in those under 16, and they are the ones who will get burned, outside in California.

 

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"So, it is in the interest

"So, it is in the interest of the medical industry to keep you away from the sun so they can keep their revenue stream flowing. Feel free, follow their advice and see where you end up."

I've avoided the sun all my life and am healthier, with better vision, and younger looking skin, than the vast majority of people my age. Seems to be working great for me.

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Vastet wrote:"So, it is in

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"So, it is in the interest of the medical industry to keep you away from the sun so they can keep their revenue stream flowing. Feel free, follow their advice and see where you end up." I've avoided the sun all my life and am healthier, with better vision, and younger looking skin, than the vast majority of people my age. Seems to be working great for me.

Tanning has many benefits especially to those who live in the far North. It helps to prevent SAD - Seasonal Affective Disorder. It gives you vitamin D that you lack. Supplements are also a poor source as little actually is assimilated. Read the studies on both sides. Just a few minutes a day on arms and legs will give you well over your need, far more than supplements. You don't have to tan  to get the benefit of vitamin D, but following the advice of the pharmaceutical companies slathering dangerous chemicals on you every day will get you other problems.

Everyone is different. I have great skin and I'm 61. I also am not overweight,  losing hair, or is my hair turning grey. I have great vision too, well in the eye I have, its better than 20/20 but that happens from compensation. I look under 50. My neighbor in Orlando was 2 years younger than me and she had alligator skin. She grew up there and obviously spent too much time outside or got burned many times.

It is unfair for the medical field to take the stand they do, there are benefits. Odds are I will die from a car wreck or a bullet, well I dodged that once already.

Then again many of them are against pot which also has many benefits. Just saying. I don't smoke pot but I can if I want. One of the advantages to Colorado over Florida.  Colorado has medical marijuana and has an amendment to make recreational use legal for over 21 on the November ballot.

 

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I should have done this the

I should have done this the first time...

I'd never deny the pharmaceutical industry interferes with pretty well everything it is interested in.

Nor that the medical industry has overstepped its bounds by dictating preventive measures to society which limit freedoms and do not necessarily provide a measurable benefit.

But...

I was just trying to inform people that spending hours in the sun, cooking yourself, every day and every year, is inviting a bigger risk of skin cancer. I doubt tanning beds are much, if any, safer, in this regard. All just to change the tint of your skin for a brief time, it doesn't seem worth it.

I wasn't trying to suggest that people hide in a cave or avoid getting a tan at any cost. We evolved in sunlight, it's necessary for our survival and health. Just don't overdo it. Smiling

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As with everything moderation is the way.

Spending hours in the Sun or a tanning bed taking yourself from Snow White to look like the crazy New Jersey Tanorexic lady is not obviously good for you long term.

 

see - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KWNszjhu_8

The pharmaceutical industry has gone over the edge with their annual attacks in pursuit of profits.

The medical industry is being used by them, many doctors are well intentioned and are being mislead.

In the end, tanning should be done only in moderation. Never get burned. A burn is counter-productive.

 

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