Is Communism a religion?

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Is Communism a religion?

 

 

Is Communism a religion?  The word Communism in itself is vague.  It is taken to mean only an economic system in which everyone will work according to his abilities and will receive according to his needs.  There will be no state, no division of the world into countries, and no social classes, because production belongs to mankind.  With that said, do you believe Commmunism is a religion?  If the followers claim to be atheists?  It does appear that Communism has all the components of a religion.  They have a bible, they have a church, they have a membership, they have a creed, they have an inner circle which is the core group unknown to the rest of the world and they have titled their inner circle an organisation called "hell".  One would think they would have titled it the Society for the betterment of the poor.  The spiritual father of Communism is Charles Darwin.  This we know as Marx declared him to be so.  * Charles Darwin's cousin Sir Francis Galt was the spiritual father for Nazism and was the founder of Eugenics as a matter of interest thought I'd mention it.  

 

 One thing that isn't well known about Charles Darwin is that on his deathbed he repented and accepted Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior.  He did.    I have also learned recently that Anton Lavey cried out for mercy on his deathbed claiming something was definitely wrong as he began to experience excrutiating pain and complain of "heat" .....this event lead to his best friend who was at his bedside leaving the SOS and becoming a Christian himself.  Laveys son has also become a born again christian.........  nevertheless, let's stay on course here.  I just would be interested to know if you all consider a Communist to be an atheist when the very source of Marx philosophy was founded on his hatred of God and his decision to follow Satan.  As some of you may already know he was a high priest and did the black mass for his own inner circle of friends.  So if you are a satanist are you a theist or an atheist?  Just curious and also if you'd desire to comment on the matter of Communism being a religion I'd be interested in reading the views of people on this board.  Thank you,   Jeremiah


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On the matter of Marxism I believe you are correct.  Anytime you look at the History of a subject you are sure to learn the truth.

The same applies to Jew and Islam which is laying claim to Israel although it predates Islam by about 3,000 years.  I would like to stay on topic here however so if you don't mind, I be, start a thread on the subject of the USS Liberty and I'll be happy to respond to it.  Thank you for your reply.  - Jeremiah

Palestine predates Judea and Jews by at least three centuries. Israel is only found in a collection of magical tales called the Septuagint. As such no rational person thinks it existed any more than Atlantis existed.

Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.

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As to an atheist fighting against God, against Jesus Christ and His Teachings.

Thomas Jefferson did a neat little trick with the red letter gospels. I presume you know what I am talking about. If not google it. And then READ the red letter parts. That is all there is, there ain't no more. If it is not there it does not exist. The words are literal and explicit. Nothing that goes beyond the words is legitimate.

I have yet to find a believer who wants to play this game but speak up if you are.

 

Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.

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Which do you prefer?

Dogmatic communism?

or

Catmatic free enterprise?

 


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A_Nony_Mouse wrote:Cite the

A_Nony_Mouse wrote:

Cite the political parties which

have formed governments to implement policies which were presented

as marxist in order to win the elections and form the government.

 

I would be happy to have other than silence as a response.

you're moving the goddamn goalposts, nony, so fuck off.  you said any attempt to implement marxism has led to tyranny, now you're asking me for democratic european parties who identify themselves as marxist.  well, to my knowledge, there are none.  is that somehow conclusive proof that marxism of necessity leads to tyranny?  of course any politician nowadays is never going to cite marx as an influence if he or she is serious about winning elections, mostly because of dickheads like you who insist--much like the totalitarians you deride--on viewing marx through a stalinist lens and no other.  that doesn't mean those parties don't implement marx's political ideas. 

and of course marxists can't claim socialism as their own.  who the fuck here ever said they could?  who, nony?  and of course marx's ideas weren't all original--even marx considered himself a synthesist.  actually, he considered himself a revolutionist above all else, and his years of work in economics, philosophy, and history were only a means to that end.  he did not consider himself an original thinker or an economist, and i think calling him a philosopher would have caused him to fly into a passion.

mao, ho, kim, pol, fidel, tito, ceasescu, hoxha, gottwald, ulbricht, etc., etc., all = comintern or soviet-backed revolutionaries = marxist-leninist (i.e., stalinist) revolutionaries.  not a single goddamn one of them just suddenly decided independently that marxism is the way to go and independently led a soviet-style revolution that independently resulted in soviet-style tyranny.

but this is typical of you.  anytime anyone calls you on your bullshit you ask for data that half the time doesn't even exist.  you want to play the data game?  fine.  you name me one fucking tyrannical, self-proclaimed marxist regime that did not come about, directly or indirectly, under the aegis of the comintern or the communist party of the soviet union.  if you can't do that, then the fucking honest thing to do would be to amend your naked assertion so that "marxism" is replaced by "stalinism," "marxism-leninism," or, at the very least, "soviet-style marxism."

my advice to you is to stick to exposing the evils of zionism and the greek origin of the hebrew bible, and when it comes to marxism restrict yourself to polite questions and tentative assertions.  you can be sure that if robert service, robert c. tucker, archie brown, sheila fitzpatrick, terry eagleton, or slavoj zizek ever suddenly decide to join RRS, i'll immediately do the same.

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jesus, it just occurred to me.  of fucking course!  marx was born a fucking JEW!  not to mention how many prominent marxists were jews, especially in the russian revolution!  that's why you have such a goddamn burr up your saddle!  do us all a favor, giwer: put your money where your mouth is, go join hamas, and blow yourself up.  please.

 

 

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iwbiek wrote:"communism" is

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"communism" is the apolitical form of society--which no state has ever claimed to have reached--when all the organs of state repression have "withered away," there is no centralized governmental apparatus, and the economic and labor system works according to marx's (rough) encapsulation, "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."

that's it.  that's all.  any other use of the word "communism," however popular, is incorrect.

True. But  have you ever wondered why the "far right" and the "far left" both want the same thing? - Very small or no government!

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Jeremiah wrote:Well, I have

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Well, I have found his responses to include personal attacks on my knowledge of what I am speaking about and am addressing that in that reply

A blatant lie. Display 1 personal attack which I made to you in this topic, or lose even more credibility. You don't have much left.

All I did was offer you the chance to prove your claims or be branded a compulsive liar. Your response fails to prove your claims, and instead attempts to derail your failure by attacking me.

It's not going to happen. The ball is in your court. Destroy your own position, or back it up with evidence. It's your choice.

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Syriza has a very good

Syriza has a very good chance of winning the elections in Greece tomorow. If that happens it will be an historical event. I'm kind of hoping they will. I like change, specially it the present world economic situation.

And then I'm going to cross my fingers... LOL. Greece is no example to anyone... they are reeking in corruption (I've been there!)

But anyway this topic is a complete non sense.

Paraphrasing: "Religion deals with customs and manners of a particular community in terms of belief in superhuman powers. On the other hand ideology does not deal with customs and manners of a social group in terms of superhuman powers or divinity. It is more political in nature and principles. "

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Jeremiah wrote:How

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How untrustworthy the Soviets were?  Don't you mean are?  Do you really believe you can trust the Russians?  I don't! 

 

  Ask the Czechoslovakians how trustworthy the god-fearing French and British governments were during WW2 when in 1938 they violated their treaties and abandoned the Czechs to the invading Nazis.  Ask the Kurds how trustworthy the god-fearing American government was when Bush Sr. promised them help if they would make a stand against Saddam Hussein and then Bush turned his back on them.    Ask the South Vietnamese how trustworthy the god-fearing American government was when in 1975 the Americans simply packed up and left so that the North Vietnamese communists could come right and exact their revenge upon the South Vietnamese.

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I don't understand why this

I don't understand why this thread has gone on and on for so long.

 

With regard to Darwin, the evidence that exists shows that he was a Christian who had finally lost his faith by middle age, and was an agnostic from that time till his death. But really, who cares?

With regard to Is communism a religion?, define the terms and you'll have your answer. 

 


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iwbiek wrote:A_Nony_Mouse

iwbiek wrote:

A_Nony_Mouse wrote:

Cite the political parties which

have formed governments to implement policies which were presented

as marxist in order to win the elections and form the government.

 

I would be happy to have other than silence as a response.

you're moving the goddamn goalposts, nony, so fuck off.  you said any attempt to implement marxism has led to tyranny, now you're asking me for democratic european parties who identify themselves as marxist.  well, to my knowledge, there are none.  is that somehow conclusive proof that marxism of necessity leads to tyranny?  of course any politician nowadays is never going to cite marx as an influence if he or she is serious about winning elections, mostly because of dickheads like you who insist--much like the totalitarians you deride--on viewing marx through a stalinist lens and no other.  that doesn't mean those parties don't implement marx's political ideas. 

and of course marxists can't claim socialism as their own.  who the fuck here ever said they could?  who, nony?  and of course marx's ideas weren't all original--even marx considered himself a synthesist.  actually, he considered himself a revolutionist above all else, and his years of work in economics, philosophy, and history were only a means to that end.  he did not consider himself an original thinker or an economist, and i think calling him a philosopher would have caused him to fly into a passion.

mao, ho, kim, pol, fidel, tito, ceasescu, hoxha, gottwald, ulbricht, etc., etc., all = comintern or soviet-backed revolutionaries = marxist-leninist (i.e., stalinist) revolutionaries.  not a single goddamn one of them just suddenly decided independently that marxism is the way to go and independently led a soviet-style revolution that independently resulted in soviet-style tyranny.

but this is typical of you.  anytime anyone calls you on your bullshit you ask for data that half the time doesn't even exist.  you want to play the data game?  fine.  you name me one fucking tyrannical, self-proclaimed marxist regime that did not come about, directly or indirectly, under the aegis of the comintern or the communist party of the soviet union.  if you can't do that, then the fucking honest thing to do would be to amend your naked assertion so that "marxism" is replaced by "stalinism," "marxism-leninism," or, at the very least, "soviet-style marxism."

my advice to you is to stick to exposing the evils of zionism and the greek origin of the hebrew bible, and when it comes to marxism restrict yourself to polite questions and tentative assertions.  you can be sure that if robert service, robert c. tucker, archie brown, sheila fitzpatrick, terry eagleton, or slavoj zizek ever suddenly decide to join RRS, i'll immediately do the same.

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jesus, it just occurred to me.  of fucking course!  marx was born a fucking JEW!  not to mention how many prominent marxists were jews, especially in the russian revolution!  that's why you have such a goddamn burr up your saddle!  do us all a favor, giwer: put your money where your mouth is, go join hamas, and blow yourself up.  please.

 

 

 

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iwbiek wrote:jesus, it just

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jesus, it just occurred to me.  of fucking course!  marx was born a fucking JEW!

Epic win.

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 WARNING THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS THREAD, cannot be included in the prior discussion  however  it does have to do with "Seeing Things in Black in White" - 2013 Everybody tends to fall just short of plagiarism on this board, it is more everyone picks up on others' writing it is a normal thing, nothing sinister there, btw,.
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Watcher is starting to remind me of another incoherent, rabid poster from another time and place.  if he starts calling people fat, singing the praises of charles martel, and quoting bugs bunny, i'll know for sure.

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Iwbiek asked Watcher: Did you catch rabies this weekend?!

iwbiek wrote:

Watcher wrote:

 

You aren't pissed at EXC.   You are pissed at reality.  EXC just accepts how shit works.  And he's spanking your ass through life experience based on blatant financial standing.

you know all of jackshit about my finances.  as for me being "pissed at reality," i see little distinguish EXC's views from Beyond's, and Beyond and i have only ever had pleasant exchanges.  why?  because Beyond doesn't behave like a fucking piece of shit.

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EXC's shit works.   Yours don't.  Spend your life crying about it, or grow up.

 

 To Watcher he said, " And just what is "my shit," motherfucker!?  please define "my shit."  because again, ALL I FUCKING STATED was that social states don't of necessity breed a welfare mentality.  are there people in them that have welfare mentalities?  sure, plenty...but no more than anywhere else i've ever been, and that includes back home in the states.  how do i know all this?  because i've been to several social states multiple times and i've lived in one for ten years.  on average, who works harder, slovaks or americans?  as far as i'm concerned, that's a no-brainer.  now, if you would like to share your first-hand knowledge of social states and their citizens in order to counteract mine, i'm all ears.  but you haven't made an argument yet, and neither has EXC.

considering that i initially made a pretty objective, level-headed, and rather apolitical point and your responses so far have been sarcastic (and rather incoherent) vitriol, maybe we should ask ourselves who's really crying in this situation?

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 (quote) [Defined] "communism" is the apolitical form of society--which no state has ever claimed to have reached--when all the organs of state repression have "withered away," there is no centralized governmental apparatus, and the economic and labor system works according to marx's (rough) encapsulation, "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."

that's it.  that's all.  any other use of the word "communism," however popular, is incorrect.(/quote)

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  Dana's reply,   . . From Marx's famous slogan.  I DO wish we'd all adopt more exacting definitions in all things.
 
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  Irregardless of what any form of Marxism is in theory every expression of it has resulted in a murderous tyranny.


 Iwbiek replied in the other Thread, Patently untrue.  the modern european social state owes as much to marx as any other political thinker.  just because they don't emblazon his bearded face on giant placards doesn't mean they don't validly implement his theories.  no matter how earnestly lenin and stalin insisted they were marx's sole valid ideological successors, that doesn't make it so, and since pretty much every subsequent "communist" revolution--whether in europe, asia, or latin america--has followed the stalinist lead (invariably identifying itself as "marxist-leninist" ), that goes double for mao, kim il sung, or anyone else.

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  Dana said,  I would hate to imagine where this thread would end up if iwbiek were not here to contribute to the narrative.  I am here to learn. THANKS for the two corrections, much appreciated (smile)

 



> These little innuendos of yours are starting to begin to be teetering on the counterproductively absurd!! They aren't cool (especially after treatment received from Fonzie)!! Although this may be unwarranted! In case you are getting any ideas, I have never advocated either "letting the fur fly" (as Watcher said recently) nor seem to bring the worst out of everyone. Why speak up for Watcher ? Maybe it was the right thing to do, from who it was coming from. I dont know. Maybe because I simply hold no grudge against him or bore any ill feelings, (whereas Zeeboe is giving the repeated impressions of being an ungrateful little creep w/ his folks). He (Zeeboe) has NEVER contributed a thing to this board, and now wannabe (friggin') lounge lizard?!? Great to have him visit then; why not stay a while ?!? At no point did Zeeboe ever have to earn my sympathetic ear, compassion or any general empathy with his personal struggles. Read back alittle! But, He did have to earn my respect, and at this point (read-between-the-lines) that is at less than zero into negative numbers!! What does that have to do with Watcher ? Try nothing!! Listen, If I give ANYONE guff, it is usually way over due in coming (Ms. Pineapple is an example). Yeah, innuendos. Oh, And that was three. But who is counting? Face it others have pointed out you have a tendency to be a bit touchy (not always), because you have an obviously big heart it is easy to justify being (unduely) angry with others, the anger is disproportionately thrown back at their outrage, then angry you have a tendency to deliberately want to provoke others. May I remind you after what blew up in your face with the Lilith, I would hope you'd learn something. Keep on this course and no one in their right mind would want to talk with you again. Off of you, a minute. Watching the watcher. Consider 'conflation' occurs when the identities of two or more individuals, concepts, or places, sharing some characteristics of one another, seem to be a single identity — the differences appear to become lost; best to try to not forget that in any future snide innuendo (however unintentionally unconscious, of course). You may have missed all the signs but Vastet and I (that's Dana) are buddies and I cannot EVER imagine a moment I would ever say to him to "Fuck Off" or "Fuck You, Sir"!! If it ever came to that I would rather leave and never be heard from again. So, Please watch what you are suggesting, K? It goes way beyond you bub! I am curious should the casual observer mistake this for what some would consider a knee-'jerk' reaction?!? Besides, At what point did I earn any of this from you ?!?


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Noony you really have no

Noony you really have no right to pontificate about what good governance is when supporting a side that if it got everything it wanted would set up a theocracy. This is the same mistake Jefferson made when supporting the French Revolution which ended up in a dictatorship.

I hate to tell you but humans ALWAYS fight over resources and it sucks for the loser. But you do the same stupid shit Jews do, get stuck on labels rather than FUCKING COOPERATE and accept that we are all the same species wanting the same thing.

Jews stole the land? SO? Your poor me crap sig is past it's sell by date. America stole land from Natives and enslaved blacks. IT SUCKED FOR THEM, but the "sins of the father" for either Palestine and Jews is the bullshit that keeps this needless conflict going.

Evolution is why tribalism exists. Evolution is why stupid humans childishly get stuck like soccer fans in their sandlot schoolyard baby violence. Both sides need to GROW THE FUCK UP!

 

The sooner more people WORLDWIDE understand our NATURE the more we can reduce our tribalism and violence.

 

 

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Technically the jews only

Technically the jews only started stealing land after Israel was created, and after it was then attacked by multiple arab nations. The original thieves were all in the UN, before Israel came to exist.

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Anything offered up as a

Anything offered up as a blanket solution in one word form for a diverse species, always has the potential to become a religion. Politics and religion are nothing more than anthropomorphic excuses to grab for power and resources. The logic however never takes into account that both cooperation and oppression, both compassion and abuse, work in evolution. The goal in evolution is not how you get there, merely that you do.

 

So the real solution to problem solving is understanding that we are NOT a separate species. Our compassion is what we should lean towards, but that can only happen once we see that what we value outside religion and politics is not different. We all want food, shelter and companionship.

 

It is why I have a problem with Libertarians on economic issues. Why I have a problem with liberals on political correctness issues. No one is really as simplistic as the labels they describe themselves with, much less 7 billion people. But all 7 billion people are still part of the same biological history capable of both compassion and cruelty.

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