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Am I reading too much into things again, or is someone turning glow-in-the-dark green over someone else's sexuality?

I can't decide, one way or another, but at the same time... just can't rule out envy.

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No offense, but I think you atheists take more of a one sided approach to everything; I would like to see more atheists be actually less part of some group identity that people here cling to, and more of an individualist free thinker with his/her own thoughts.

I can understand legalizing marijuana and other things (like alcohol, which is more dangerous), but I think that legalizing prostitution is just more of a reflection of our corrupted consumeristic culture; it will represent us in the long run, and we will be known (second to the religious ignorant era) as the Sex crazed maniac era. I'm not necessairily a socialist, and I really don't believe that the government should control everything we do. This is like the gun issue; countries with guns aren't necessairily more violent (take Switzerland for example), and I can fully understand why they are legal, but no sane person would legalize bombs. Prostitution is like the bomb of sex; it's fine having sex with strangers who are looking for a good time; prostitution, on the other hand, is a business, wherein there are none enjoying a social activity, but a lack of dignity , and then there are the health risks. Between two acquaintances, there are some mutual ethical grounds they have established for their interaction; with prostitution, it's not an interaction, but a transaction, a mere product. The very fact that prostitution is legal in my country, makes my blood boil; it's a form of slavery; it could be simply seen as "using labor for price", but the socialist system makes it so bad that it's the only thing that a successful prostitute can do. In terms of cultural relevance, I think we need a cultural reformation; this sex crazed culture is just ridiculous, and I've seen more teen mothers, babies without fathers, and it's disgusting, the direction we are moving in.


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No offense, but I think you atheists take more of a one sided approach to everything; I would like to see more atheists be actually less part of some group identity that people here cling to, and more of an individualist free thinker with his/her own thoughts.

I can understand legalizing marijuana and other things (like alcohol, which is more dangerous), but I think that legalizing prostitution is just more of a reflection of our corrupted consumeristic culture; it will represent us in the long run, and we will be known (second to the religious ignorant era) as the Sex crazed maniac era. I'm not necessairily a socialist, and I really don't believe that the government should control everything we do. This is like the gun issue; countries with guns aren't necessairily more violent (take Switzerland for example), and I can fully understand why they are legal, but no sane person would legalize bombs. Prostitution is like the bomb of sex; it's fine having sex with strangers who are looking for a good time; prostitution, on the other hand, is a business, wherein there are none enjoying a social activity, but a lack of dignity , and then there are the health risks. Between two acquaintances, there are some mutual ethical grounds they have established for their interaction; with prostitution, it's not an interaction, but a transaction, a mere product. The very fact that prostitution is legal in my country, makes my blood boil; it's a form of slavery; it could be simply seen as "using labor for price", but the socialist system makes it so bad that it's the only thing that a successful prostitute can do. In terms of cultural relevance, I think we need a cultural reformation; this sex crazed culture is just ridiculous, and I've seen more teen mothers, babies without fathers, and it's disgusting, the direction we are moving in.

I'm afraid sex is a basic evolutionary drive, so I can't see it being successfully prohibited.

Sex workers are workers. They sell their services for money, like all workers.

As long as they are doing it voluntarily, they are just workers like everyone else.

 


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alexross8 wrote:No offense,

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No offense, but I think you atheists take more of a one sided approach to everything; I would like to see more atheists be actually less part of some group identity that people here cling to, and more of an individualist free thinker with his/her own thoughts.

I can understand legalizing marijuana and other things (like alcohol, which is more dangerous), but I think that legalizing prostitution is just more of a reflection of our corrupted consumeristic culture; it will represent us in the long run, and we will be known (second to the religious ignorant era) as the Sex crazed maniac era. I'm not necessairily a socialist, and I really don't believe that the government should control everything we do. This is like the gun issue; countries with guns aren't necessairily more violent (take Switzerland for example), and I can fully understand why they are legal, but no sane person would legalize bombs. Prostitution is like the bomb of sex; it's fine having sex with strangers who are looking for a good time; prostitution, on the other hand, is a business, wherein there are none enjoying a social activity, but a lack of dignity , and then there are the health risks. Between two acquaintances, there are some mutual ethical grounds they have established for their interaction; with prostitution, it's not an interaction, but a transaction, a mere product. The very fact that prostitution is legal in my country, makes my blood boil; it's a form of slavery; it could be simply seen as "using labor for price", but the socialist system makes it so bad that it's the only thing that a successful prostitute can do. In terms of cultural relevance, I think we need a cultural reformation; this sex crazed culture is just ridiculous, and I've seen more teen mothers, babies without fathers, and it's disgusting, the direction we are moving in.

I think you are painting a broad brush on all of atheists, and prostitution. As far as unwanted babies, most teens ARE NOT prostitutes  thus the unwanted babies come from dating and , not prostitution, And the less educated states and the more religious have a higher rate of unwanted pregnancy.

And what makes you think we support sex slavery or pimps who hold prostitutes hostage? ANY form of slavery is inhuman. But when we are talking about LEGAL and regulated prostitution, why should that be lumped in with the criminal element?

What is with this obsession with what people do with their private parts? NO ONE HERE is condoning unsafe forced crime on the unwilling. But I have no problem with an ADULT woman who wants to do it, likes to do it, and is protected in a safe environment.

Is sex slavery a global problem? YES, but we are not supporting that and anyone using women or kids by force should be locked up. WE don't support that.  But I find it sick to suggest that you have the right, or should have the right to tell two CONSENTING ADULTS what they can or cannot do with a body you don't own.

 

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Is sex slavery a global problem? YES, but we are not supporting that and anyone using women or kids by force should be locked up. WE don't support that.  But I find it sick to suggest that you have the right, or should have the right to tell two CONSENTING ADULTS what they can or cannot do with a body you don't own.

 

 

I whole heartedly agree.

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alexross8 wrote:No offense,

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Feel free to take offence: your opinion is irrelevant. And since everything you posted was opinion, it was also all irrelevant.

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Will this eliminate the

Will this eliminate the 'pay gap' between men and women?

 


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Feel free to take offence: your opinion is irrelevant. And since everything you posted was opinion, it was also all irrelevant.

 

Damn right, Vastet. And what is all this "I think YOU atheists" bullshit ? Since when did I ever give much of a fuck what people thought ? 

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This whole thread just

This whole thread just defeated itself.

Also, I apologize for generalizing ALL atheists; there are plenty atheists that actually do think free and independent, but a lot of people (whether or not they are atheists) tend to think collectively as a group on one issue.

X basically argued to my post by saying that sex is a basic evolutionary drive , which I can't argue with Scientifically, but Brian basically said that babies do not come from prostitutes; evolutionarily speaking, Prostitution is not part of the evolutionary drive, because it does not produce/succeed the evolutionary chain.


Vastet argued that my argument is irrelevant because it is an opinion; his/her redundant statement is also an opinion because I thusly said it was so.

I just really don't see the point in legalizing prostitution. Majority of prostitutes happen to be females; I think it is sexually biased in that sense, which means that it is sexist, as the practice focuses on mainly one sex over another.

The southern states didn't want to abolish slavery, because the abolition of slavery meant that they had to all suffer the same fate under flawed economic policies; the Northern states wanted to abolish slavery for the very fact that all Northerners wanted to be treated equal, as a matter of principle. Since prostitution is a way for the female worker (and almost only female workers) to work to benefit from a failed economy, I don't think it should exist; it's like only allowing someone who has had sex with men to go to a gay bar (Lol, Straight men can come in, but they have to have sex with men). I'm not the type of person to allow anyone to suffer or benefit solely because of their race, sex, creed or religion.

Sure, prostitution may not be the cause of increased population (which is causing death to millions of habitats AND THE PLANET, due to agricultural spread and the burning of toxic gasses and oils), but it is the cause for a more sexual culture, a culture that children are being brought up in and taught that lots of sex at a young age is okay.


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The southern states didn't want to abolish slavery, because the abolition of slavery meant that they had to all suffer the same fate under flawed economic policies; the Northern states wanted to abolish slavery for the very fact that all Northerners wanted to be treated equal, as a matter of principle. Since prostitution is a way for the female worker (and almost only female workers) to work to benefit from a failed economy, I don't think it should exist; it's like only allowing someone who has had sex with men to go to a gay bar (Lol, Straight men can come in, but they have to have sex with men). I'm not the type of person to allow anyone to suffer or benefit solely because of their race, sex, creed or religion.

 

 

I think you need to re-read your history of the Civil War. (I am from a northern state by the way). 

Also, if you have some sort of empirical evidence to support these claims that you are making, please provide them. Thus far, all we have seen is idle speculation. Show some studies, stats, or provide some sort of concrete evidence, otherwise, that is like the empty claim I hear people often quote "That religious people live happier lives than us non-religious".  All they ever have to provide for that information is circular arguments and mostly nonsense. 

Otherwise, like Vastet has already stated, you have provided nothing but irrelevant opinion that carries no more weight than mine. 

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X basically argued to my post by saying that sex is a basic evolutionary drive , which I can't argue with Scientifically, but Brian basically said that babies do not come from prostitutes; evolutionarily speaking, Prostitution is not part of the evolutionary drive, because it does not produce/succeed the evolutionary chain.

Female Chimpanzee's will prostitute themselves out to the males that share food with them.  Just because we have had effective birth control for the last three or four generations doesn't obliterate millions of years of evolutionary strategies.  Nor does the fact that a human male know that having sex with a prostitute today will not result in a child obliterate the ancient desire to engage in sex.

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Vastet argued that my argument is irrelevant because it is an opinion; his/her redundant statement is also an opinion because I thusly said it was so.

He didn't give an opinion, he made a statement of fact.

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I just really don't see the point in legalizing prostitution.

Keeping prostitution illegal prevents the government from regulating it.  It will do nothing to prevent it.  It will only prevent the government from making sure the prostitutes have regular checkups for veneral disease, protection from potentially violent "johns", engage in safe sexual practices, and paying taxes on their chosen line of work.

It will also cut way down on all the crack whores littering up the sidewalks around our inner cities.

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Majority of prostitutes happen to be females; I think it is sexually biased in that sense, which means that it is sexist, as the practice focuses on mainly one sex over another.

The majority of the military happens to be males;  I think it is sexually biased in that sense, which means that it is sexist, as the practice focuses on mainly one sex over another.

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The southern states didn't want to abolish slavery, because the abolition of slavery meant that they had to all suffer the same fate under flawed economic policies;

The southern states didn't want to abolish slavery because uncompensated emancipation in something they had 4 billion 1860 dollars invested in would have annihilated their economy.  The rich southerners surely didn't want it to happen because their personal fortunes would have been obliterated.  Then as today, the rich ruled over the poor.  The vast majority of the politicians and generals of the CSA were slave owners.  The vast majority of the confederate soldiers were not.

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the Northern states wanted to abolish slavery for the very fact that all Northerners wanted to be treated equal, as a matter of principle.

The northern states that wanted to abolish slavery within their states did so.  They didn't much care about southern slavery.  Only a tiny number of raving abolitionists in both the northern and southern states cared about it at all.  All the average northerner cared about is that free blacks weren't competing for their factory jobs.

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Since prostitution is a way for the female worker (and almost only female workers) to work to benefit from a failed economy, I don't think it should exist;

I'm not sure what you mean by this.  Prostitution is going to occur in both a good economy and a bad one.

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Sure, prostitution may not be the cause of increased population (which is causing death to millions of habitats AND THE PLANET, due to agricultural spread and the burning of toxic gasses and oils), but it is the cause for a more sexual culture, a culture that children are being brought up in and taught that lots of sex at a young age is okay.

Prostitution doesn't do that.  Mass media is doing that.

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all i know is one of the cities i've felt safest in is amsterdam, where both marijuana and prostitution are legal, taxed, and regulated.  and no, i indulged in neither.  i was there with my wife (who really wanted to check out the red light district out of curiosity--we had a lovely evening stroll there).  incidentally, it's the only city where i felt no uneasiness letting my wife go out alone at night, and she, who spooks easily, felt perfectly safe.

not to mention the fact that dutch people are just plain helpful and nice.  in my eyes, it kind of gave the lie to the old alarmist warnings that legalization of drugs and prostitution will plunge our society into moral degradation and bloody chaos.

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iwbiek wrote:all i know is

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all i know is one of the cities i've felt safest in is amsterdam, where both marijuana and prostitution are legal, taxed, and regulated.  and no, i indulged in neither.  i was there with my wife (who really wanted to check out the red light district out of curiosity--we had a lovely evening stroll there).  incidentally, it's the only city where i felt no uneasiness letting my wife go out alone at night, and she, who spooks easily, felt perfectly safe.

not to mention the fact that dutch people are just plain helpful and nice.  in my eyes, it kind of gave the lie to the old alarmist warnings that legalization of drugs and prostitution will plunge our society into moral degradation and bloody chaos.

 

I have heard similiar stories from people that have visited there, iwbiek. 

Just like some statistics that I came across in Alper's : "God Part of the Brain" book, demonstrated that our European counterparts that live in more secular nations, tend to have a lower crime rate.  I used to have a link to the stats, bookmarked, but lost them when I had computer issues.

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X basically argued to my post by saying that sex is a basic evolutionary drive , which I can't argue with Scientifically, but Brian basically said that babies do not come from prostitutes; evolutionarily speaking, Prostitution is not part of the evolutionary drive, because it does not produce/succeed the evolutionary chain.

As has already been mentioned by Watcher, just because prostitution doesn't produce babies, it doesn't mean that it isn't driven by the sexual, financial and emotional urges that are part of evolution.

 

 


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I just really don't see the point in legalizing prostitution.

Having it illegal costs society for police time to investigate and arrest those involved.

We have to spend money to imprison those that do.

Women are going to be abused and not report violence against them for fear of arrest.

We loose a potential source of tax.

You have a bunch of frustrated guys.

So what is necessarily the harm? If the women would rather be working in another profession, fix the education system so they can.

 

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Majority of prostitutes happen to be females; I think it is sexually biased in that sense, which means that it is sexist, as the practice focuses on mainly one sex over another.

So why is prostitution 'men taking advantage of women' and not the other way around?

 

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Since prostitution is a way for the female worker (and almost only female workers) to work to benefit from a failed economy,

So fix the failed economy and failed job training system. Yes its bad that some women feel forced into it. But you need to offer them a way out if they want.

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a culture that children are being brought up in and taught that lots of sex at a young age is okay.

Where is the evidence that it necessarily harms them?

You have all these theories and cultural myths about the damage sex does, but no scientific evidence.

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x wrote:alexross8 wrote:X

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alexross8 wrote:

X basically argued to my post by saying that sex is a basic evolutionary drive , which I can't argue with Scientifically, but Brian basically said that babies do not come from prostitutes; evolutionarily speaking, Prostitution is not part of the evolutionary drive, because it does not produce/succeed the evolutionary chain.

As has already been mentioned by Watcher, just because prostitution doesn't produce babies, it doesn't mean that it isn't driven by the sexual, financial and emotional urges that are part of evolution.

 

Then where do Sons of Bitches come from???

It seems like its a kind of evolutionary trick women play on men.

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I think that legalizing prostitution is just more of a reflection of our corrupted consumeristic culture;

it will represent us in the long run, and we will be known (second to the religious ignorant era) as the Sex crazed maniac era.

 

The expression 'the oldest profession' is well known, so to think that this era is the golden era of prostitution is rash.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_prostitution

 

The Code of Hammurabi includes provisions to protect the inheritance rights of prostitutes.

In the United States, prostitution was originally widely legal. Prostitution was made illegal in almost all states between 1910 and 1915 largely due to the influence of the Woman's Christian Temperance Union which was influential in the banning of drug use and was a major force in the prohibition of alcohol.

 

 

 

People have been sex crazed for a while too. A recent example will do.

 

http://www.victorianlondon.org/crime/suppression.htm

Society for the Suppression of Vice.

This society, instituted in 1802, has laboured unremittingly to check the spread of open vice and immorality, and more especially to preserve the minds of the young from contamination by exposure to the corrupting influence of impure and licentious books, prints, and other publications, its difficulties have been greatly increased by the application of photography, multiplying, at an insignificant cost, filthy representations from living models, and the improvement in the postal service has further introduced facilities for secret trading which were previously unknown.

This society has been the means of suppressing the circulation of several low and vicious periodicals. Within the last two years it has also been the means of bringing to punishment, by imprisonment, hard labour, and fines, upwards of forty of the most notorious dealers, and within a few years has seized and destroyed the following enormous mass of corrupting matters :—140,213 obscene prints, pictures, and photographs; 21,772 books and pamphlets; five tons of letterpress in sheets, besides large quantities of infidel and blasphemous publications; 17,060 sheets of obscene songs, catalogues, circulars, and handbills ; 5,712 cards, snuff-boxes, and vile articles; 844 engraved copper and steel plates ; 480 lithographic stones ; 146 wood blocks ; 11 printing presses, with type and apparatus; 81 cwt. of type, including the stereotype of several works of the vilest description.

 

And as for religious ignorance, the internet has ushered in an era of unprecedented knowledge about religion.