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I know there are a few of you Canadians on here. I used to visit NW Ontario twice a year to go fishing but havent been for a while. Being an outdoorsman I absolutely love it there. But I never spent much time with the people because I stay in a fairly remote cabin on Cliff Lake.  The old man that owned the cabin was from St. Paul but he stayed there most of the year. The only other people I could ask were a couple who stayed there during my visits. The old man tried to get me to come up there and run his place cuz he was getting old, but i woulda had to give up my us citizenship to be legit unless I bought the place.. I said no way in hell. Please tell me a little about life up there? Include any subjects you like- work, government, healthcare, religion, environmental issues, U.S. influence(good and bad) etc. etc. ?

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Hell of a question.

Hell of a question. lol

You'd really have to give up US citizenship? When did that change? I've known a few people that had dual citizenship. > >

Healthcare is awesome. Have to wait for minor shit, but if you're bleeding to death you get in right away.
A lot of right wingers say that Canada can't provide all forms of potentially necessary care, but in such cases they are sent to where that care is, at the cost of the healthcare system, so there's really nothing to get hung up on.
Canada is a little more unified than the US, but not by much. Provincial laws/customs/mannerisms/etc. can change fairly significantly. Choose your province carefully, depending on your personal prefferences.
The majority of subtle American influence comes from media. Though every now and then your ambassador seems to want to piss off the whole country. Seems to mostly be a Republican thing.
Religion is just as common here, but there are less fundies per capita.
Our current government is an American wannabe, and has done significant

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damage to both Canada's

damage to both Canada's awesomeness and our reputation. I can only hope the ND party can fill the gap that the self-destructed Liberals left in their wake.
Most things to do with work and habitat depend greatly on where you go. Because provinces are so huge, the South end of a province generally is cheaper to live in and easier to find a job in than the North.
Some provinces have more than 5 identifiable and separate ecosystems, so habitat and climate can vary greatly. I'm pretty sure that only some nations in Central America can have as many or more ecosystems than Canada does.

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I know there are a few of you Canadians on here. I used to visit NW Ontario twice a year to go fishing but havent been for a while. Being an outdoorsman I absolutely love it there. But I never spent much time with the people because I stay in a fairly remote cabin on Cliff Lake.  The old man that owned the cabin was from St. Paul but he stayed there most of the year. The only other people I could ask were a couple who stayed there during my visits. The old man tried to get me to come up there and run his place cuz he was getting old, but i woulda had to give up my us citizenship to be legit unless I bought the place.. I said no way in hell. Please tell me a little about life up there? Include any subjects you like- work, government, healthcare, religion, environmental issues, U.S. influence(good and bad) etc. etc. ?

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Oh, and you have to tolerate

Oh, and you have to tolerate a million false cliche's coming from people who got trolled by some smartass who visited Newfoundland.

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                    I've been living in the Toronto area for about 34 years, I wouldn't think of living anywhere else, except Guyana since I have a big house there. Compared to the states,  we have a very low crime rate, a lot less aggression in social situations, and more importantly during elections gods and religion are rarely mentioned, the most successful politicians NEVER mention religion. We are a lot less religious then the states and far more likely to say "No religion in my life, eh? and no christly need for it neather, eh?"

 

 

                     btw, though I was born in New Brunswick,  I grew up in Brewer Maine  U.S. of A. eh?

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Oh! I love Canada! Girls

Oh! I love Canada! Girls there are crazy! But many are good kind of crazy!

HDI is great! One of the best countries to live. I mean they live near the US and get many crap from them but their politics is actually much more sane and smart.

They have what most developed countries have: Universal health care. Nice wages and employment... I think they have everything really! Only Scandinavia rivals with them.

Unfortunately I cant go there because of these fucking stupid immigration laws!!... Oh if I could only had persuade her to marry me... 

Well there is always Scandinavia for me!

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It's widely percieved down

It's widely percieved down here that the general mood of the people from the north is just kinda drab.  I must say that i've noticed it myself. I'm not speaking just of Canada. I am from central Illinois. Even when I travel to Minnesota I can tell a bit of a difference in people. They say it is because of the long winter season and it kinda makes sense.  My area is considered to be the medium of all the U.S.  - our climate, culture, attitude, and even religion. We know how to let loose n throw down n party, but we are not all a bunch of rednecks. Sadly I have not been able to travel the world.

Places I want to go:

Germany, Spain, Italy, France, Netherlands, Alaska, British Columbia, Quebec, various places in the Orient(suggestions ?)

Places I don't wanna go:

Mexico, Turkey, anywhere in the Middle East, India

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tonyjeffers wrote:It's

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It's widely percieved down here that the general mood of the people from the north is just kinda drab.  I must say that i've noticed it myself. I'm not speaking just of Canada. I am from central Illinois. Even when I travel to Minnesota I can tell a bit of a difference in people. They say it is because of the long winter season and it kinda makes sense.  My area is considered to be the medium of all the U.S.  - our climate, culture, attitude, and even religion. We know how to let loose n throw down n party, but we are not all a bunch of rednecks. Sadly I have not been able to travel the world.

Places I want to go:

Germany, Spain, Italy, France, Netherlands, Alaska, British Columbia, Quebec, various places in the Orient(suggestions ?)

Places I don't wanna go:

Mexico, Turkey, anywhere in the Middle East, India

I've been working 9 months on a cruise ship. Go visit the Med, the Fjords in Norway, come to my country too!

I have been in NY, Boston, Portland, Halifax (NS), Quebec and Newfoundland

Canadian girls are not drab... oh no sir!

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We don't get a long winter

We don't get a long winter anymore. It's going to get funnier hearing igloo jokes with every year as Ontario turns into Florida. > >

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Teralek wrote:I've been

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I've been working 9 months on a cruise ship. Go visit the Med, the Fjords in Norway, come to my country too!

I have been in NY, Boston, Portland, Halifax (NS), Quebec and Newfoundland

Canadian girls are not drab... oh no sir!

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I just came across

I just came across this:

"Article 15

(1) Everyone has the right to a nationality. (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality."

Universal Declaration of Human Rights 

WTF can't I go anywhere and be able to change my nationality?! Canada signed the humans rights treaty! Hipocrisy never ceases to amaze me.

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A common example of the

A common example of the stupidity of our current government.
Though in fairness, due to the socialised nature of Canada, there must be a line drawn somewhere on immigration else we risk an influx of uneducated and incompetent people who end up on social assistance for 10 years while they learn English and/or French and a basic high school education, bankrupting the nation in the process.
Not to mention the scam artists looking for a free ride.

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I live in Halifax and I've

I live in Halifax and I've been to the States a few times. To me, I dont see much difference in the people/culture however, I think religion plays less of a roll in politics here in Canada.

As well, of all the people I know, I'd say the atheists/theists percentage is about 50/50. And I dont know of anyone who I would consider to be fundamental. When I hear stories of people who lost their jobs or their friends and family because they came out as atheists....I just cant relate to that. I just dont hear of that happening around here.


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peterweal wrote:I live in

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I live in Halifax and I've been to the States a few times. To me, I dont see much difference in the people/culture however, I think religion plays less of a roll in politics here in Canada.

As well, of all the people I know, I'd say the atheists/theists percentage is about 50/50. And I dont know of anyone who I would consider to be fundamental. When I hear stories of people who lost their jobs or their friends and family because they came out as atheists....I just cant relate to that. I just dont hear of that happening around here.

I agree. But the differences you see are not that minor. To loose your job because you're an atheist is pretty serious, and that's just an example.

I met a German guy on board who's son used to work in the states. He complained to his father that most Americans had distorted views of life completely different from his German education. They were dellusional about certain aspects of life. I think one of the problems is sometimes people live in their small worlds, completely made up in their minds, and are unable to see the big picture of reality.
 

BTW. Halifax is great! I wasn't able to get of the ship because I was working that day. They made a cerimony to the ship and everything, because it's a Cunard ship. I was on the Queen Elizabeth on her maiden voyage to Halifax

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Teralek wrote:I agree. But

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I agree. But the differences you see are not that minor. To loose your job because you're an atheist is pretty serious, and that's just an example.

I met a German guy on board who's son used to work in the states. He complained to his father that most Americans had distorted views of life completely different from his German education. They were dellusional about certain aspects of life. I think one of the problems is sometimes people live in their small worlds, completely made up in their minds, and are unable to see the big picture of reality.
 

BTW. Halifax is great! I wasn't able to get of the ship because I was working that day. They made a cerimony to the ship and everything, because it's a Cunard ship. I was on the Queen Elizabeth on her maiden voyage to Halifax

This is one leftist/European stereotype that never ceases to amuse- 'everyone not of our bent or ideology is delusional'. Thanks, I'll pass on your "reality", because as fucked up as the states are at present, Teralek's "reality" sounds infinitely worse.

Also, in germany, you can't say the word "Hitler". There are other reasons not to move to Germany (such as the statistics involving how many 10-year-olds apply for birth control each year), but the utter lack of inalienable rights ranks as #1.

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Kapkao wrote:Teralek wrote:I

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I agree. But the differences you see are not that minor. To loose your job because you're an atheist is pretty serious, and that's just an example.

I met a German guy on board who's son used to work in the states. He complained to his father that most Americans had distorted views of life completely different from his German education. They were dellusional about certain aspects of life. I think one of the problems is sometimes people live in their small worlds, completely made up in their minds, and are unable to see the big picture of reality.
 

BTW. Halifax is great! I wasn't able to get of the ship because I was working that day. They made a cerimony to the ship and everything, because it's a Cunard ship. I was on the Queen Elizabeth on her maiden voyage to Halifax

This is one leftist/European stereotype that never ceases to amuse- 'everyone not of our bent or ideology is delusional'. Thanks, I'll pass on your "reality", because as fucked up as the states are at present, Teralek's "reality" sounds infinitely worse.

Also, in germany, you can't say the word "Hitler". There are other reasons not to move to Germany (such as the statistics involving how many 10-year-olds apply for birth control each year), but the utter lack of inalienable rights ranks as #1.

I have a "reality"? 

I've met cool Americans too with good sense of reality. Stereotypes have limits! My favorite show in America is the Daily show, that must say much about me. I admire American culture dispite my criticism, I keep watching and comment on things from there.

From all the guests I had on the ship considering: 90% british and the remaining 10% were a mix of Australians, Americans, Canadians, Germans...

The Germans were the smartest bunch, british... were well... british, Americans were the most outgoing people, Australians were laid back, Canadians were just like Americans, I couldn't tell the difference.

The countries I'd like to live in order of preference: (the list changed after working on ships, probably will change again)

Norway; Sweden; Canada; Denmark; Holland; Germany; Ireland; USA; UK; Estonia... If I had a lot of money I wouldn't mind living on a Caribean island too... possibly Antiga or St. Kitts

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You have your own ideas

You have your own ideas about "the big picture of reality", yes. Sarcasm fail.

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                       Unlike yourself, I have lived in both countrys for decades each.  I was born in New Brunswick, but from age 1+ to age 21+ I grew up in Brewer Maine, there are very distinct differences between being American and being Les Canadiene beaux coup [bo coo]-- {to be Canadian is great}. For one thing we can easily switch to 'les Quebecois' {kee-Beck French} without loosing any sense of nation-hood; In fact we thrive on 'les differance between the Francophone and les Anglophone.  What do Americans think when they hear a native born "yankee" speaking Spanish or anything other then English?  Most Americans resent being called "yankee";  Well 'hell, high water and damnation; I bay moyrah yankee den any hoos born thayah, aay up!                       Quite simply Tralek you  need to spend more then one day in a tourist dock before makeing that kind of statement.

 

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                       Unlike yourself, I have lived in both countrys for decades each.  I was born in New Brunswick, but from age 1+ to age 21+ I grew up in Brewer Maine, there are very distinct differences between being American and being Les Canadiene beaux coup [bo coo]-- {to be Canadian is great}. For one thing we can easily switch to 'les Quebecois' {kee-Beck French} without loosing any sense of nation-hood; In fact we thrive on 'les differance between the Francophone and les Anglophone.  What do Americans think when they hear a native born "yankee" speaking Spanish or anything other then English?  Most Americans resent being called "yankee";  Well 'hell, high water and damnation; I bay moyrah yankee den any hoos born thayah, aay up!                       Quite simply Tralek you  need to spend more then one day in a tourist dock before makeing that kind of statement.
 


 

 Hey! I totally agree with that! I mean at first sight It's hard to tell a difference. I was reffering to the brief customer relationship.

I had both work colleagues from US and Canada. At first sight it's very hard to tell them apart, they both speak the same way (exept if you come from Quebec). They are both outgoing and they seem to have the same ideas... only when you dwelve a little bit deeper you can tell differences. I got close friends from both countries. I hope I can visit them one day, one is from Toronto and the other from Maryland where I'll have blue crabs!

Oh! I can spot a texan as well! Funny accent to hear! 

I have to say this about Americans though... never take them front value... forget your stereotypes. Although there is an American culture there are also very different people there, it's a very diversified country

With all that said it may be relevant to say that I would rather have as nationality: "world" instead of "portuguese". Unfortunately there is no "world" nationality... or "terran". Culture is just an artificial evolving thing. We are all humans at the end of the day.

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BTW, Vastet... could you get Sage to trollbait me some more? Life around RRS has become rather empty/boring without him doing that. I'm an attention whore; I value the attention, yeah?!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Teralek wrote:[...]I was

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[...]I was reffering to the brief customer relationship.

I had both work colleagues from US and Canada.[...]

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Teralek wrote:
[...]I was reffering to the brief customer relationship.

I had both work colleagues from US and Canada.[...]

that's Ok! My North American friends still like me! 

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will somebody please tell me

will somebody please tell me why   when i load an image in a reply or comment it shows up just fine on preview but when it's posted it comes up blank.

All my images show up just fine in an original post download.

WTF ?

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tonyjeffers wrote:Looks like

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Looks like "Sean" is commenting on 60s/70s 'flowerchild' canada.

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will somebody please tell me why   when i load an image in a reply or comment it shows up just fine on preview but when it's posted it comes up blank.

All my images show up just fine in an original post download.

WTF ?

probably becuase the URL looks like this;

"data:image/png;base64,superhugehashthatcrashesmybrowsereverytimeipasteitinmybrowser"

This is google's "base64" hash url format, and NO messageboard software can hotlink it, as far as I know. Some google images can hotlink, some can't because they come in that format. 1 way around this is to simply open up firebug in your browser. Works on my firefox as of v11.0 .

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Teralek wrote:Kapkao

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[...]I was reffering to the brief customer relationship.

I had both work colleagues from US and Canada.[...]

that's Ok! My North American friends still like me! 

Are you as frank with them as you are with us, or are they pink "Big City Democrats" that won't care how ignorantly you criticize the US?

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I don't usually discuss

I don't usually discuss politics in much depth with them. 2 of them are "liberals" like me, the other is conservative but we still like each other. We just don't talk about politics. She's an honest person. 

I sometimes feel that what I want to say doesn't go clear enough... maybe it's because english is not my first language?!

Edit: BTW! You want to know something funny? The day I found out she voted for republicans I asked her if the fact that she was Christian was one of the reasons she voted for them. And she answered: "of course!"

And I replyied something like: "religion should never mix with politics. That's a fundamental of democracy..."

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^^has obviously never heard

^^has obviously never heard of the Christian Democratic Union of Germany

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I've met a number of

I've met a number of Canadian professionals that were driven away by high income and business taxes. Canada is still relatively poverty free because it has a large quantity of natural resourses that can be exploited to pay for the welfare state. It seems destined to go the way of Europe with a large dependency class just waiting on their check and free stuff from the government.

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EXC wrote:I've met a number

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I've met a number of Canadian professionals that were driven away by high income and business taxes. Canada is still relatively poverty free because it has a large quantity of natural resourses that can be exploited to pay for the welfare state. It seems destined to go the way of Europe with a large dependency class just waiting on their check and free stuff from the government.

Good point, but still a blatantly anecdotal and nearly fact-free attempt to prop up one's ideology unto a pedestal.

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EXC wrote:I've met a number

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I've met a number of Canadian professionals that were driven away by high income and business taxes. Canada is still relatively poverty free because it has a large quantity of natural resourses that can be exploited to pay for the welfare state. It seems destined to go the way of Europe with a large dependency class just waiting on their check and free stuff from the government.

Funny how Canada is more stable and productive per capita than the US, has less unemployment, less crime, less welfare, better education, better healthcare, and is infinitely more sustainable than your foolish ideology would have us believe.

And all that while barely touching our natural resources.

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Vastet wrote:EXC wrote:I've

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I've met a number of Canadian professionals that were driven away by high income and business taxes. Canada is still relatively poverty free because it has a large quantity of natural resourses that can be exploited to pay for the welfare state. It seems destined to go the way of Europe with a large dependency class just waiting on their check and free stuff from the government.

Funny how Canada is more stable and productive per capita than the US, has less unemployment, less crime, less welfare, better education, better healthcare, and is infinitely more sustainable than your foolish ideology would have us believe. And all that while barely touching our natural resources.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World's_most_livable_cities

3 Vancouver Canada 97.3
4 Toronto Canada 97.2
5 Calgary Canada 96.6

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Not that it would

Not that it would necessarily disclude any of those particular cities, but I can't believe those studies don't take into account climate or cost of living. 

Both of those would be a major factor of "livability" for me.

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Cost of living is always a

Cost of living is always a factor in such studies. Climate I'm not so sure about, but every climate on Earth can be found in Canada. The only thing we don't have is a locale with more than 25c temperatures all year round (except indoors of course, zing!).
But just give it a decade and we'll have that instead of the extinct winters we're still famous for but no longer experience.

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True. My favorite place to

True. My favorite place to live would be:


 

 Own a resort... and make love to her:

every day.

That would be the most livable place to me

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Vastet wrote:Cost of living

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Cost of living is always a factor in such studies. Climate I'm not so sure about, but every climate on Earth can be found in Canada. The only thing we don't have is a locale with more than 25c temperatures all year round (except indoors of course, zing!). But just give it a decade and we'll have that instead of the extinct winters we're still famous for but no longer experience.

 

I'm not trying to disagree with you all day here Vas, but I don't think you read the article. You have to type in the words "the world's most livable cities" on wiki.

It does not take into account climate or the cost of living as a factor in 'livability.' 

Also it sure looks like this study is largely influenced by large business interests. 

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Just for the record. I took

Just for the record. I took that picture of the Canadian flag from the cruise ship Queen Elizabeth in Halifax NS. 

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 I enjoy visiting Canada

 I enjoy visiting Canada quite often. It is a beautiful country with a wealth of natural resources. But I am glad I live here.  Global warming will serve it well. However, when it comes to the females of Canada.... this one night.... in Edmonton.....yeah, I remember it. 

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tonyjeffers wrote:It does

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It does not take into account climate or the cost of living as a factor in 'livability.'

I didn't read the article, but you haven't convinced me either. Direct cost of living is subjective, and cannot simply be directly compared between cities. Example: figures are not likely accurate, for demonstration purposes;

If it costs 1400 to rent an apartment in Calgary, and 800 in Toronto, then it would seem Calgary is the more expensive by far.

But then you realise people in Calgary get paid twice as much as people in Toronto, and have less taxes to pay, and suddenly you realise that Calgary has the lower cost of living.

So just because it doesn't actually say cost of living was factored doesn't mean it wasn't. And I don't have a lot of reason to spend 6 hours trying to figure out exactly how they determined what was the most liveable city. So I choose to believe they were smart enough to calculate costs.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World's_most_livable_cities

3 Vancouver Canada 97.3
4 Toronto Canada 97.2
5 Calgary Canada 96.6

Montreal is the only excuse for Canada to exist.

 

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A_Nony_Mouse wrote:Montreal

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Montreal is the only excuse for Canada to exist.

 

Have you visited Vancouver, Lower Mainland BC (Kelowna area), Lake Shushwap, the Canadian part of the Rocky Mountains, Grand Beach in Manitoba, Lake of the Woods? Certainly all worth a visit, and that's just places I've been myself. Heard amazing things about Vancouver Island and the Maritimes. Also, NORAD sits on our territory. Quite necessary in the past. 

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To add, Montreal doesn't

To add, Montreal doesn't even know how to drive. Sticking out tongue

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