What makes an Atheist truly happy/satisfied?

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So i was on a Catholic forum the other day. The topic was about how atheists can not be happy in life. Also i want to know how can i make my life more fulfilling as a non religious person. I feel like i have this hole in my heart, i dont know if its real or if its just my imagination. Ive tried filling it with alcohol, pornography, tv, video games, computer, and all the other material temporary bs this world has to offer. It doesnt make me truly happy. It as if Godis the answers as Chritians would say. That only God can give us happiness. Is this true? What do you have in your life that gives you true happiness? Does watching tv, eat good foods, etc truly satisfy you? Even with sex, sex doesnt bring happiness it brings satisfaction. What i seek is happiness.


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truth wrote:So i was on a

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So i was on a Catholic forum the other day. The topic was about how atheists can not be happy in life. Also i want to know how can i make my life more fulfilling as a non religious person. I feel like i have this hole in my heart, i dont know if its real or if its just my imagination. Ive tried filling it with alcohol, pornography, tv, video games, computer, and all the other material temporary bs this world has to offer. It doesnt make me truly happy. It as if Godis the answers as Chritians would say. That only God can give us happiness. Is this true? What do you have in your life that gives you true happiness? Does watching tv, eat good foods, etc truly satisfy you? Even with sex, sex doesnt bring happiness it brings satisfaction. What i seek is happiness.

 

Well. as an atheist, I have been with the same girl for several years, I ride motorcycles with my friends, I go to work everyday and try to set goals for myself. I love hanging out with my co workers, I love learning new things and reading, I love the wonderous mysteries that our universe has to offer and feel that religion limits that. Just check out a program on the science channels, and see how little we know. Physics and the study of evolution blows me completely away. We are in a vast and mysterious universe. To put a face on that and call it god, seems very short-sighted in my eyes. Friendship, family, empathy, knowledge, sympathy, those are qualities I strive  for to have happiness in this life. Check out this video by my favorite writer, Harlan Ellison :www.youtube.com/watch?v=le-vDXMLKOI

 

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]Wonder why my link did not post ?

Wonder why my link did not post ? Just go to you tube and type in : Harlan Ellison on God.


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Hi truth

Happiness is a point of view. It's also the opposite of not being completely miserable. If I break my leg tomorrow, I'd realize that I was pretty happy the day

before. You don't always plan happy times. They just happen. Everything in between is just trying to not be bored or miserable and leading a productive life

and fulfilling your responsibilities to others, while learning more along the way. Everyone tries to fill the gap with different things. When we get bored with one, we just try to find  new

interests that aren't self-destructive.

I don't think there is a permanent fill for that gap or "hole" as you put it. Believe me I've tried them all.-even religion.

I think religion was the most destructive of them all. I've done almost every illicit drug known to man, and I can definitely say that I escaped drug addiction

much easier than ridding myself of the poison of christianity.

The question of love is a tricky one. It can be dangerous too. Some guys fall in love and think they

have finally filled the gap, only to wake up one day and realize that the illusion of being "in love" has worn off and they are stuck with alimony and child support

payments.-kinda like buying a new car you can't afford. Hopefully you can be one of the lucky and have a mate that you still love after the thrill of being "in love" is gone.

That hole in your heart is just a natural mechanism in you brain that keeps you going.  If we were all truly satisfied with everything in our world, we would all

be lulling around like  tree sloths. Learning more and more about this universe is the most satisfying thing in my life.

Turning your life over to an imaginary spook in the sky will NOT make you happy. It will make you a fucking retard. I should know. I used to be one.

"And she called out a warning: Don't ever let life pass you by." -Incubus

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The Redskins winning at

The Redskins winning at least 10 games would be nice, but I am not holding my breath.

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to: harley

Ellison makes some interesting points.. it was funny when he said how God is rooting for one person and not the rest of the runners

Everytime i watch any shows that deal with science i always end up learning so much.

 


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Why do religious folks talk about this "hole" people have that must be filled with Jesus/God. I see around me people who are religious and are always happy no matter what circumstances their in. Faith in God keeps them going on..

Learning is always fascinating, could it be that were not meant to be completely happy..

 

life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.. its as if they/he knew that humans are always in this constant pursuit of trying to achieve complete happiness when they will never attain it..


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Brian37 wrote:The Redskins

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The Redskins winning at least 10 games would be nice, but I am not holding my breath.

 

lols

cruuuuuz,

 


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 I think happiness is very

 I think happiness is very much a state of mind. I have always found it extremely easy to be happy even when I am in situations where I really have no rational reason to be happy. Until I was in a close relationship with a girl who is bipolar I never really put much thought into what it took to be happy, I just was. Then I saw in her case that everything in the world could be perfect and she would be depressed and on the edge of suicide. She became completely incapable of appreciating life and even the smallest bad thing became something negative to obsess over. Now I am of the opinion that happiness might be far more chemical than anything else. Some people simply seem to have a more difficult time being happy and while you might not have lows to be considered technically suffering from depression you might naturally tend towards the low side, whereas I tend towards the high side. 

 

As far as things to do that will make you more happy, I don't think there is any universal answer. Find something you love to do and do it. Overall I think building something meaningful is a greater source of happiness for most people than passive activities for most people. For me, something that challenges me intellectually brings far more happiness than watching tv or playing a video game. Last spring I went and did some work building a house for my brother in Mexico. It was a lot of hard work but there is a sense of satisfaction in taking an empty patch of dirt and transforming that from a hole in the ground to a home. 

 

So my best suggestion is to try hobbies that are active and challenging and force your brain to work harder until you find one that you enjoy. 

I just usually go with my own taste. If I like something, and it happens to be against the law, well, then I might have a problem.- Hunter S. Thompson


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They are reaching for something that isn't there and delude themselves into thinking they have found it. Have you ever seen someone with down syndrome that isn't always happy?

Learning is always fascinating, could it be that were not meant to be completely happy..

 

life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.. its as if they/he knew that humans are always in this constant pursuit of trying to achieve complete happiness when they will never attain it..

You should find the state of fascination as happiness. And we're not meant to be anything-happy or sad. It's up to you how you take things. Some people are better at taking things in stride. It's the old "do you see the glass half-empty or half-full" question.


 

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Why do religious folks talk about this "hole" people have that must be filled with Jesus/God. I see around me people who are religious and are always happy no matter what circumstances their in. Faith in God keeps them going on..

Learning is always fascinating, could it be that were not meant to be completely happy..

 

life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.. its as if they/he knew that humans are always in this constant pursuit of trying to achieve complete happiness when they will never attain it..

They are reaching for something that isn't there and deluding themselves into thinking they found it. Have you ever seen someone with down syndrome that wasn't happy most of the time. Some people are just better at taking things in stride. That could also be brain chemistry and health. And I don't think we are meant to be anything-happy or sad. It's the old attitude and perception question of "is the glass half-full or half-empty?" Just don't let anyone tell you what true happiness is. That's up to you. Not some delusional religious nutbag.

 

 

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No universal "joy" or

No universal "joy" or "happiness" criteria for "atheism" is possible, but I would think "survival" and "sexual gratification" would go a long way for most atheists as those two concepts have the greatest instinctual priority amongst human-animals, with the contention that each individual defines "survival" in their own unique way.

(most human-animals have a silly "afterlife" concept these days)

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God people are definitely not

 

 

happy all the time. One thing they do have is the ability to convince themselves whatever happens it's all part of god's special plan for them. They still get all the same diseases and have all the same stresses. Swearing off booze and smokes and pointless geegaws is a pretty good way to feel complete - I'll give the godly credit for that. You get a natural brain balance and a focus on family and so forth is ultimately better than chasing chemical highs. 

The 'god-sized hole' is just a bunch of bullshit. All humans want more, want what they have not got, feel regrets, crave possessions. All these nagging needs and desires, along with wondering about the universe and first cause and so forth are collectively claimed to be the god-sized hole. I call it anxiety myself and assuage it with acquisition of knowledge, 10km runs, sailing and motorbike rides. And a large measure of acceptance that there are things I do not control. 

If you are looking for meaning I'd recommend reading some stoic writers who will tell you to imagine how much worse things could be in order to appreciate what you have right now while exhorting you to act with integrity and virtue in all things, to address the things you can and ignore the things you cannot. Most pre-christian philosophy is far more elevated than new testament teachings and comes without threats or promises of eternal reward. It's well worth a look.

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truth wrote: So i was on a

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 So i was on a Catholic forum the other day. The topic was about how atheists can not be happy in life. Also i want to know how can i make my life more fulfilling as a non religious person. I feel like i have this hole in my heart, i dont know if its real or if its just my imagination. Ive tried filling it with alcohol, pornography, tv, video games, computer, and all the other material temporary bs this world has to offer. It doesnt make me truly happy. It as if Godis the answers as Chritians would say. That only God can give us happiness. Is this true? What do you have in your life that gives you true happiness? Does watching tv, eat good foods, etc truly satisfy you? Even with sex, sex doesnt bring happiness it brings satisfaction. What i seek is happiness.
There is this old fallacy of religious people. God is their everything, so they can't imagine someone without God to be happy. They somehow can't figure out that atheists are free to search for happiness elsewhere. 

People vary. There is Maslow's pyramid of needs and not everyone can climb up equally high on that pyramid. Lots of people are satisfied at the bottom, with good food and drinking. Most of us, as long as they have material security, pursue social contact and prestige. Some of us move even higher, to pursue personally meaningful goals and interests, regardless of public opinion. And very few people transcend even that and serve the whole world, selflessly. But Christians won't tell you that, they don't know shit about psychology, their iron age book is one size fits all and we cut off what sticks out.

Theoretically, the proverbial God (iow, the soul) may give you lots of happiness. But even if you'd become sort of a modern mystic and would have the ability to experience divine bliss, it's just a temporary fix. I developed - or maybe awakened - this connection through the meditation I mentioned earlier. But these things never last, they come and go as they please, so you'd rather take them as a source of inner strength while they last and do something in the world with people around. We'd better try to not become junkies on mystical experiences, lest someone up there might close the tap. But if we use this inner connection in outer service, activity or volunteering, this is a good generalized method to become happy and probably the reason why we may have the experiences to begin with. The method doesn't matter that much, some help the poor, some educate people or lift their mood with artistic talent. 

For example, once in winter I worked in a Korean car factory. It was tough, but I did my best to cheer up my co-workers and make them help each other - and I felt happy. For no rational reason and a plenty against, in that terrible job and unpleasant environment, I was flooded with happiness as long as I could do that. Then I had go get out, my role was finished. So it doesn't matter where you are - if in prison or battlefield, as long as you have a role there, a service, a way to give something out of yourself to others. If not, get the hell out of there and find another place.  

But there is not much for me to do here now, I'm stuck in a backwoods region where I don't belong. It's a similar problem as atheists have among rednecks in Bible belt. I want to achieve happiness by becoming a university student in a big city, where should be a significant concentration of intelligent people of my age, even girls. (who had the sense to escape the backwoods regions sooner than me) It's nice to be all egalitarian, tolerant and stuff, but facts are facts.

It is absolutely necessary to find out what you are, what you need, what you want and what you don't want. If you have blind spots all over your self-image, you'll make wrong decisions and waste precious young years. I had to make many mistakes, waste lots of time, find out many things about myself (sometimes paralyzingly shocking) and change a lot. And the work isn't nearly finished. Hell, I even learned astrology and a couple of other methods to find out things.

The trick is, you need both worldly and spiritual achievement, to be happy. Usually people focus on the material world while they're young, pursue career, find a partner, create a family. And then comes the midlife crisis and they don't know what to do, they don't know all their previous life was a preparation to start doing something greater than themselves. So they break up, find a lover, buy a big and fast red sports car, and then get senile or die from a heart attack. In our cases I suspect we have to turn that upside down. We need a highly compatible woman (intellectually and spiritually), we need to find a highly compatible jobs (because we tend to wither or get crazy in meaningless jobs) and we need to handle practical life. 

 

truth wrote:

Why do religious folks talk about this "hole" people have that must be filled with Jesus/God. I see around me people who are religious and are always happy no matter what circumstances their in. Faith in God keeps them going on..

They assume, and usually correctly, that all people are lowly and sinful materialists who only care for money, food, and a piece of ass. So by default, Jesus is the half of Life that is missing. 

Which is kind of ironic when Christians meet a de facto mystic like me and they completely wrongly wish me to be more religious and turn away from the materialistic greed. Screw them! I need someone to wish me money and sex! Can't they see they missed the mark?

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 Learning is always fascinating, could it be that were not meant to be completely happy..

life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.. its as if they/he knew that humans are always in this constant pursuit of trying to achieve complete happiness when they will never attain it..

I think the pursuit of happiness is necessary. Imagine that it would be possible to achieve happiness with one thing forever. Then we would never evolve anywhere. I think the best happiness we can have is in becoming a good and steady runner in the pursuit of happiness. That way you're never far from a new source of happiness when the old one gets empty. That way you won't sacrifice the happiness for the sake of the familiar and secure life style. When you'd do that, you're dead - or as good as dead. When you stop running, decades will pass, midlife crisis will be your harsh judge and then likely heart attacks and diseases of the old age will catch up with you. Then either heart attack will finish you off quickly, or cancer a little slower, or you'll spend years as a senile zombie. Living is an artistic discipline with rules to keep and these are some of them.

 

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Nice post Lum

 

Pretty close to the money with all this...

 

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truth wrote:Why do religious

truth wrote:

Why do religious folks talk about this "hole" people have that must be filled with Jesus/God. I see around me people who are religious and are always happy no matter what circumstances their in. Faith in God keeps them going on..

Learning is always fascinating, could it be that were not meant to be completely happy..

life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.. its as if they/he knew that humans are always in this constant pursuit of trying to achieve complete happiness when they will never attain it..

In your opening statement you speak about a "hole in your heart needing to be filled" but now you say "why do religious folks talk about this "hole" people have that must be filled with Jesus/God".

Hmmm. I'm intrigued.

 

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truth wrote:So i was on a

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So i was on a Catholic forum the other day. The topic was about how atheists can not be happy in life. Also i want to know how can i make my life more fulfilling as a non religious person. I feel like i have this hole in my heart, i dont know if its real or if its just my imagination. Ive tried filling it with alcohol, pornography, tv, video games, computer, and all the other material temporary bs this world has to offer. It doesnt make me truly happy. It as if Godis the answers as Chritians would say. That only God can give us happiness. Is this true? What do you have in your life that gives you true happiness? Does watching tv, eat good foods, etc truly satisfy you? Even with sex, sex doesnt bring happiness it brings satisfaction. What i seek is happiness.

Well, the first step is to avoid the authoritative moral BS offered by most fundietards/devout catholics. The second step is to throwaway this nonsense concept of Shangri La-esque "true (ever-lasting?) happiness".

The third is to do shit you enjoy doing (depending on mood and context), without wasting a single thought about what others may think of it.

Voila... you should be happy by that point. If not, you're probably doing it wrong. Laughing out loud

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Thanks for the comments and

Thanks for the comments and advice everyone.


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Hi OPie

Hi Opie,

what makes an atheist truly happy? Probably murderering his family and being a bigot like Mao and killing everybody he can get his hands on

Respectfully,

Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).

A Rational Christian of Intelligence (rare)with a valid and sound justification for my epistemology and a logical refutation for those with logical fallacies and false worldviews upon their normative of thinking in retrospect to objective normative(s). This is only understood via the imago dei in which we all are.

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Jean Chauvin wrote:Hi

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Hi Opie,

what makes an atheist truly happy? Probably murderering his family and being a bigot like Mao and killing everybody he can get his hands on

Respectfully,

Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).

 

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ProzacDeathWish wrote:Jean

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Jean Chauvin wrote:

Hi Opie,

what makes an atheist truly happy? Probably murderering his family and being a bigot like Mao and killing everybody he can get his hands on

Respectfully,

Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).

 

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