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50 Shekel Challenge

 

Read about the server donation here: http://www.rationalresponders.com/server_fundraiser_2011

Go straight to the donation point here: http://phillyrrs.chipin.com/atheism-server

 

 

A while ago we had a regarding the value of a shekel so in the spirit of that I would like to offer the 50 shekel challenge.

 

Currently, the total raised is $1,054.32

 

I will match all contributions this weekend up to a total of 50 shekels which by my calculations is  $340.79. Given the current rate of donations, I am confident we will get there before I get back into town on Monday.

 

If anyone else wants to step up to the plate and also make a 50 shekel+ donation this weekend, I will add an additional $100 for each of the first three large donations. So if we meet the 50 shekels and get three large donations that will be a total of $640.79, don't leave that money on the table! Donate today. 

 

The cutoff time will be the start of Monday Night Football. 

 

 

 

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 Wow, that's very generous

 Wow, that's very generous Beyond Saving.  Thanks so much for creating this fun means of matching. 

Just so I am clear, you are starting matching at this moment and ending at kickoff Monday night.  You are matching the first $340.79 donated.  If anyone else makes a donation above $340.79 you will add an extra $100 and you're willing to do this three times, is that correct? 

I want to advertise this but I know it'll come off as confusing to some.

Thanks again Beyond!

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BS, I just got the first

BS, I just got the first over 50 shekel match.  I don't know if he would want his name out.  I'm extremely grateful for his $2,000 donation.  

Now on to get smaller donors of up to $340.79!  Plus two more donors of over $340.79!  Eye-wink

Please chip in right now folks, your donations will be matched!  

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Sapient wrote: Wow, that's

Sapient wrote:

 Wow, that's very generous Beyond Saving.  Thanks so much for creating this fun means of matching. 

Just so I am clear, you are starting matching at this moment and ending at kickoff Monday night.  You are matching the first $340.79 donated.  If anyone else makes a donation above $340.79 you will add an extra $100 and you're willing to do this three times, is that correct? 

I want to advertise this but I know it'll come off as confusing to some.

Thanks again Beyond!

 

Yes that is correct.

 

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BS, I just got the first over 50 shekel match.  I don't know if he would want his name out.  I'm extremely grateful for his $2,000 donation.  

Spaghetti Monster bless them 

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Great challenge, Beyond.

Great challenge, Beyond. That's hilarious. Would have been extra funny if it was a 30 shekel challenge, but 50 is awesome anyway.

We are getting amazing support. I'm blown away. Your challenge is another confirmation that we must be doing something people see as worthy of support. I sure think so, but it's always good to get validation from reality.

I'm so glad Brian has found his mojo again. It's really great to see the RRS core member (formerly plural; c'est la vie) back in action, and I'm also really excited about this Atheism United thing. The people at the Atheism United Head Quarters are stand-up folks and it's a very impressive roster of activists. I can't wait to see how far this thing goes, like a year from now. I'm feeling like it's going to be epic.

Thanks again, man!

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I am so grateful to see so much support this project.  The volunteerism and donations demonstrate that Atheism United is gaining a positive momentum and serves as another example that we are gaining greater and greater acceptance among the atheist community.  This  is  the positive trend we were hoping to find.  I am very excited to see what we can accomplish together. 

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 Now you're getting the

 Now you're getting the effect you hoped for Beyond Saving.  Several donations coming in because the donation is being matched.  

Donations tonight have been the following amounts...

$10 
$10 
$50 
$25
$10

 

Thanks to everyone who has donated.  Please consider donating before this matching opportunity ends 3 days from now.

 

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 Two more $10 donations

 Two more $10 donations tonight responding to a donation matching request.  Smiling

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Sapient wrote: Now you're

Sapient wrote:

 Now you're getting the effect you hoped for Beyond Saving.  Several donations coming in because the donation is being matched.  

Donations tonight have been the following amounts...

$10 
$10 
$50 
$25
$10

 

Thanks to everyone who has donated.  Please consider donating before this matching opportunity ends 3 days from now.

 

Cool. + the other $20 makes $125.

That's ₪18!

(₪ is the symbol for the shekel; wiki.  $ / 6.8158 = ₪ )

 

 

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Donation matching,

Donation matching, woot. 

Well, even though I've already donated an incredible $0 USD in my 3+ years and 3,000+ posts.......here's a little more. 

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I tried posting to this

I tried posting to this thread before, but either the post was eaten or deleted.

Are you =building= a server, or buying one?  I'm your basically broke small business owner, so I has no monies.

I do, however, have new-in-the-box parts for servers that were never, ever built.

And before anyone questions my motives, y'all at least talk about science in the real talking-about-science sense.  I think I read about more recent scientific discoveries =here= than any other forum I frequent.

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 The total now stands at

 The total now stands at $3643.32, thank you to everyone who was able to donate, we easily met the 50 shekel challenge even without the $2000 donation. You are all awesome!

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 Thanks so much for

 Thanks so much for inspiring some extra donations Beyond.  That made a difference.  

 

The Dell server we wanted to get at the low end of the price range no longer has all the options we need.  It's almost out of it's life cycle.  We hope they'll replace it with a similarly priced unit.  If not, we'll be closer to the $6,500 range.  Thankfully we have a lot of people that want to help.  Based on the support so far I can see us getting near there.  That would be a big relief.  

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Brian, check your PM's.I'd

Brian, check your PM's.

I'd like to donate to the RRS.

 

 


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I'd like to thank Beyond. As

I'd like to thank Beyond. As he says, ideologies here vary wildly, and we have little to agree on politically or economically. But we do agree that theism is fundamentally flawed, and I would be a fool to discard or ignore the significant financial support he's given directly and indirectly over the years.

Thank you.

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redneF wrote:Brian, check

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Brian, check your PM's.

I'd like to donate to the RRS.

Uh oh I don't have it.  I hope you didn't donate to Brian37 by accident.

 

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Brian, check your PM's.

I'd like to donate to the RRS.

Uh oh I don't have it.  I hope you didn't donate to Brian37 by accident.

 

That's weird. I even clicked the box to send me a copy of the PM to you, and I just checked my inbox and there's nothing there.

I'll try again to PM you.

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Ok, as it turns out I sent

Ok, as it turns out I sent you a 'Contact' message instead of a PM.

Sorry 'bout the confusion. I've only ever responded to PM's here, (except for the time I asked for the 1 on 1 forum to be opened up for me) and those were a long time ago.

 

 

I keep asking myself " Are they just playin' stupid, or are they just plain stupid?..."

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Sapient wrote: Thanks so

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 Thanks so much for inspiring some extra donations Beyond.  That made a difference.  

The Dell server we wanted to get at the low end of the price range no longer has all the options we need.  It's almost out of it's life cycle.  We hope they'll replace it with a similarly priced unit.  If not, we'll be closer to the $6,500 range.  Thankfully we have a lot of people that want to help.  Based on the support so far I can see us getting near there.  That would be a big relief.  

That much money buys one heck of a lot of server.

But I think you answered my question -- you're buying, not building.  Which changes the cost equation.  I've not paid someone else to buy me a server in a decade or more.

I do have some rack mount gear -- KVM, switch, dumb PDU, etc. -- that could be dropped in the mail.  It's that or try to sell it on Craig's list -- the guy who colo's my company server hasn't made an offer and I'm tired of waiting =and= tired of storing.  If your buying a rack mountable rig and need stuff that's 19" wide and has ears, lemme know.

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 No offense Furry but I wont be accepting your help.  Thanks for the offer though, if it's genuine.  

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Vastet wrote:I'd like to

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I'd like to thank Beyond. As he says, ideologies here vary wildly, and we have little to agree on politically or economically. But we do agree that theism is fundamentally flawed, and I would be a fool to discard or ignore the significant financial support he's given directly and indirectly over the years. Thank you.

 

Thanks Vastet, and that is why I stick around because even though I might get to the point with you or Brian37 or anyone else where we basically tell each other to fuck off and call each other dumb asses- at least in the end we can find some common ground and disagreements are driven by philosophical differences rather than personal feelings. While the chances of us persuading each other are probably slim to none, I think our discussions can be very educational for all the lurkers out there who might not have thought about the issues at hand as much as we have.

 

Really, I don't think there is another site on the web where I can disagree so fundamentally with someone on one issue and find ourselves united on another. The "flame war" phenomena that is common on other forums is virtually non-existent here.  RRS seems unique in that the regular contributors are able to set aside personal emotions when arguing about their beliefs be they religious or political and agreement/disagreement is made through thought out beliefs rather than high school type cliques. It is the environment that Sapient and the mod team has created that encourages people to actually think rather than simply follow others or repeat talking points that I am grateful for and support. No other forum has challenged my beliefs and forced me to analyze/explain them as much as this one has and my understanding and ability to explain what I believe has increased dramatically in the 4 years since I joined.

 

Seriously, ignore anything I said 4 years ago, I was a broke young punk who didn't give a shit about anyone other than myself. 

 

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I can feel the love.

I can feel the love.  Thanks for saying that Beyond, I posted it on facebook so others could see why they should join our discussion. 

Hopefully we'll find a few more good men as a result.  Your post perfectly explains us here.  No atheist on atheist crime.

 

 

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Too big to quote, but I

Too big to quote, but I second those two posts whole-heartedly.

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Beyond Saving wrote:Vastet

Beyond Saving wrote:

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I'd like to thank Beyond. As he says, ideologies here vary wildly, and we have little to agree on politically or economically. But we do agree that theism is fundamentally flawed, and I would be a fool to discard or ignore the significant financial support he's given directly and indirectly over the years. Thank you.

 

Thanks Vastet, and that is why I stick around because even though I might get to the point with you or Brian37 or anyone else where we basically tell each other to fuck off and call each other dumb asses- at least in the end we can find some common ground and disagreements are driven by philosophical differences rather than personal feelings. While the chances of us persuading each other are probably slim to none, I think our discussions can be very educational for all the lurkers out there who might not have thought about the issues at hand as much as we have.

 

Really, I don't think there is another site on the web where I can disagree so fundamentally with someone on one issue and find ourselves united on another. The "flame war" phenomena that is common on other forums is virtually non-existent here.  RRS seems unique in that the regular contributors are able to set aside personal emotions when arguing about their beliefs be they religious or political and agreement/disagreement is made through thought out beliefs rather than high school type cliques. It is the environment that Sapient and the mod team has created that encourages people to actually think rather than simply follow others or repeat talking points that I am grateful for and support. No other forum has challenged my beliefs and forced me to analyze/explain them as much as this one has and my understanding and ability to explain what I believe has increased dramatically in the 4 years since I joined.

+1

Us in particular have locked horns vehemently on one topic, or many, but still back each other just as vehemently, and give each other credit, where we feel the credit is due, and not hold personal grudges that cloud our abilities to be objective in other areas.

That's both a virtue of being an adult, and being level headed, atheist or theist.

And I agree wholeheartedly that the RRS is virtually without parallel on the whole 'Internets' for both freedom of speech, freedom of expression, and tolerance.

Brian Sapient deserves any and all congrats for all that it's cost him to raise the level of awareness of positive atheism, critical thinking, and all the RRS media resources and outlets.

 

Although it doesn't appear that Brian will take up Furry on her generous offer, I'd like to offer her my utmost respect for her generosity, and the willingness to debate voraciously.

Grrrrrr.....

 

 

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Sapient wrote: No offense

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 No offense Furry but I wont be accepting your help.  Thanks for the offer though, if it's genuine.  

It's genuine -- I'm colo'ing a server about 15 miles south of here and don't need any of my rack mount gear.  Even the rack has been disassembled and is stowed away.  That's how "don't need it anymore" things are.

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I think it would be the

I think it would be the coolest thing if people saw how theists and atheists could actually cooperate  if Brian were to take Furry up on her offer to help with the server.

I think this could be an incredible opportunity to set an 'example' and illustrate exactly what we'd like more of...us being able to work together in harmony.

 

Fuck....I think I must have something in my eye! *sniffle*...

 

Seriously Brian, I'd try and make that work.

What a great headline.

It could even make the 6:00 News...

 

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redneF wrote:I think it

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I think it would be the coolest thing if people saw how theists and atheists could actually cooperate  if Brian were to take Furry up on her offer to help with the server.

Uh, check the list of Who's Who on the 501(c)(3) page who's link I can't get to because all I can see is your posting.  I have a copy of Infidel lying around the house somewhere.  You think I don't know about several of those people already?  You give some people too little credit.

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I think this could be an incredible opportunity to set an 'example' and illustrate exactly what we'd like more of...us being able to work together in harmony.

Oh, great.

A society that is safe for Atheists is also a society that is safe for Theists who adhere to minority religions.  A society that is safe for one minority tends to be safe for other minorities.  Supporting =rational= thinking is ... rational.  It simply makes sense to support any cause which seeks to advance Humanity as a whole.

This is not rocket science.

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Seriously Brian, I'd try and make that work.

From the photos I've seen of the "computer room" I got the impression they use deskside servers, not 19" rack mount gear.  There are easier ways to have a 24 port switch than some giant clunky rig -- Linksys has nice 8 port switches that are stackable.  And while I'm sure a rack-mount KVM is teh sweetness, dittos for reasons.

But, if he wants it, I'll see if I can find a box and drop it of at FedEx the next time I need to be there.  If he wants makes and models, he knows where the "Send PM" button is.

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redneF wrote:I think it

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I think it would be the coolest thing if people saw how theists and atheists could actually cooperate  if Brian were to take Furry up on her offer to help with the server.

I'm sorry but cooperating with theists on atheist activism is not my specialty.  I am just starting to learn how to cooperate with atheists on atheist activism.  

 

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I think this could be an incredible opportunity to set an 'example' and illustrate exactly what we'd like more of...us being able to work together in harmony.

I have a friend that I really enjoy golfing with.  He is a black republican born again christian.  We have a lot of fun together, manage to have debates about god, and always agree to be friendly even though we disagree on the issue.  We do this because we know each other well enough to know that we are just trying to be good friends to the other.  Both of us are able to consider the experience from the other perspective.  I understand he is worried about me going to hell.  He understands that I am worried he is wasting time, his money, and the only life he gets on nonsense.  Our conversations tend to stop at his lack of desire to learn more science.  I don't pressure him because I know how good of a person he is, I know he doesn't preach to most people, and I enjoy his company on the golf course too much to risk ruining our relationship.

So if you want a story that sets an example of living in harmony, please feel free to spread that story.   

 

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Seriously Brian, I'd try and make that work.

What a great headline.

Remember what you told me about trusting others the other night?  Furry has trolled these boards before.  I don't have great vibes about Furry on the trust meter. 

Furry, I'm sorry if that offends, but these are facts.  In an act of goodwill I will remove your troll badge for now.   

 

 

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It could even make the 6:00 News...

We're gonna be on the 6:00 News plenty more times in the history of RRS.  We've been on the 6:00 news many times already as well.  Eye-wink

This kind of story is not what the news covers.  They don't like positive acts of humanity on the 6:00 news.

 

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From the photos I've seen of the "computer room" I got the impression they use deskside servers, not 19" rack mount gear.  There are easier ways to have a 24 port switch than some giant clunky rig -- Linksys has nice 8 port switches that are stackable.  And while I'm sure a rack-mount KVM is teh sweetness, dittos for reasons.

But, if he wants it, I'll see if I can find a box and drop it of at FedEx the next time I need to be there.  If he wants makes and models, he knows where the "Send PM" button is.

 We use rack gear, the server is at a co-lo.  We're considering it as an option, I might let you know about a possible PO Box address.  I'm leery of this, sorry.

 

 

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From the photos I've seen of the "computer room" I got the impression they use deskside servers, not 19" rack mount gear.  There are easier ways to have a 24 port switch than some giant clunky rig -- Linksys has nice 8 port switches that are stackable.  And while I'm sure a rack-mount KVM is teh sweetness, dittos for reasons.

But, if he wants it, I'll see if I can find a box and drop it of at FedEx the next time I need to be there.  If he wants makes and models, he knows where the "Send PM" button is.

 We use rack gear, the server is at a co-lo.  We're considering it as an option, I might let you know about a possible PO Box address.  I'm leery of this, sorry.

Totally understand.

I forget who said that people need to keep in mind that I'm willing to scrap.  Yes, I'm willing to scrap, but if you pay attention after the scrapping stops, it's usually a lot more interesting than whatever the scrapping was about.

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Remember what you told me about trusting others the other night? 

Touché.

I hate having to admit I was wrong. But, I was wrong to suggest that maybe you should be reconsidering your stance.

I got caught up in the PR aspect of what that would entail if there was a cooperation between the two individuals with different 'worldviews'.

 

Sorry, I was watching a re-run of ET at the time...

 

 

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I hate having to admit I was wrong.

Don't.  Being able to do it is probably one of your best qualities.

 

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Sapient wrote:redneF wrote:I

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I hate having to admit I was wrong.

Don't.  Being able to do it is probably one of your best qualities.

 

 

  Indeed Sapient.  It's certainly a quality that's woefully lacking in one of our most ardent critics...do I really even need to name her ? 

  

                                                                        ( ...of course I could be wrong !)

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redneF wrote:I got caught up

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I got caught up in the PR aspect of what that would entail if there was a cooperation between the two individuals with different 'worldviews'.

"Different worldviews"?

No, not really.  Which is a large part of the problem -- "Us" versus "Them" mentality.  Difference is dominance -- dividing people into groups of "Us" and "Them" is essential to the construction of power-up / power-down relationships.

But it's all good.

"Obviously I'm convinced of the existence of G-d. I'm equally convinced that Atheists who've led good lives will be in Olam HaBa going "How the heck did I wind up in this place?!?" while Christians who've treated people like dirt will be in some other place asking the exact same question."


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FurryCatHerder wrote:redneF

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I got caught up in the PR aspect of what that would entail if there was a cooperation between the two individuals with different 'worldviews'.

"Different worldviews"?

No, not really. 

Between you and a lot of agnostic/atheist people? I agree. But there's still some mutually incompatible things I personally cannot remove from the equation, and it's not so much about what we might disagree on as to 'what is at the root of everything'.

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Which is a large part of the problem -- "Us" versus "Them" mentality.  Difference is dominance -- dividing people into groups of "Us" and "Them" is essential to the construction of power-up / power-down relationships.

Blame religion for that. They are fundamentally divisive. They are all about prescribing what everyone 'ought' to think and behave, IME.

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But it's all good.

I disagree.

I wish we could abolish religious indoctrination and dogma.

I don't see any need or reason for religion to exist, or be taught/practiced.

Certainly not in the 21st century.

 

 

I keep asking myself " Are they just playin' stupid, or are they just plain stupid?..."

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redneF wrote:FurryCatHerder

redneF wrote:

FurryCatHerder wrote:

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I got caught up in the PR aspect of what that would entail if there was a cooperation between the two individuals with different 'worldviews'.

"Different worldviews"?

No, not really. 

Between you and a lot of agnostic/atheist people? I agree. But there's still some mutually incompatible things I personally cannot remove from the equation, and it's not so much about what we might disagree on as to 'what is at the root of everything'.

How about focusing on what we =agree= on?  And how about agreeing to disagree on the rest?

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Which is a large part of the problem -- "Us" versus "Them" mentality.  Difference is dominance -- dividing people into groups of "Us" and "Them" is essential to the construction of power-up / power-down relationships.

Blame religion for that. They are fundamentally divisive. They are all about prescribing what everyone 'ought' to think and behave, IME.

The quote comes from a Radical Feminist writer who was talking about "sex" as the first and most fundamental difference.

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But it's all good.

I disagree.

I wish we could abolish religious indoctrination and dogma.

I don't see any need or reason for religion to exist, or be taught/practiced.

Don't look now, but you're prescribing what other people should think or do ...

Let's get back to what I wrote earlier -- How about focusing on what we =agree= on?  And how about agreeing to disagree on the rest?  That's probably a much better approach and one less likely to involve one group of people telling another group what they should or shouldn't do.

"Obviously I'm convinced of the existence of G-d. I'm equally convinced that Atheists who've led good lives will be in Olam HaBa going "How the heck did I wind up in this place?!?" while Christians who've treated people like dirt will be in some other place asking the exact same question."


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That's probably a much better approach and one less likely to involve one group of people telling another group what they should or shouldn't do.

 That sounds sensible enough.  Although in your case I would suggest you never work a Suicide Hot Line. 

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That's probably a much better approach and one less likely to involve one group of people telling another group what they should or shouldn't do.

 That sounds sensible enough.  Although in your case I would suggest you never work a Suicide Hot Line. 

This isn't a Suicide Hot Line.

Hope I cleared that up for you!

"Obviously I'm convinced of the existence of G-d. I'm equally convinced that Atheists who've led good lives will be in Olam HaBa going "How the heck did I wind up in this place?!?" while Christians who've treated people like dirt will be in some other place asking the exact same question."


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FurryCatHerder wrote:

ProzacDeathWish wrote:

FurryCatHerder wrote:
That's probably a much better approach and one less likely to involve one group of people telling another group what they should or shouldn't do.

 That sounds sensible enough.  Although in your case I would suggest you never work a Suicide Hot Line. 

This isn't a Suicide Hot Line.

Hope I cleared that up for you!

 

 

  I'm sorry Furry, did I offend you ?

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ProzacDeathWish wrote:

FurryCatHerder wrote:

ProzacDeathWish wrote:

FurryCatHerder wrote:
That's probably a much better approach and one less likely to involve one group of people telling another group what they should or shouldn't do.

 That sounds sensible enough.  Although in your case I would suggest you never work a Suicide Hot Line. 

This isn't a Suicide Hot Line.

Hope I cleared that up for you!

  I'm sorry Furry, did I offend you ?

No, not at all.

But this is still NOT a  Suicide Hot Line, though the irony of being told not to work a Suicide Hot Line by someone who has images of things pointing guns to their head =is= rather amusing.

That said, let's not import our lover's quarrel to this thread.  Okay?

"Obviously I'm convinced of the existence of G-d. I'm equally convinced that Atheists who've led good lives will be in Olam HaBa going "How the heck did I wind up in this place?!?" while Christians who've treated people like dirt will be in some other place asking the exact same question."


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FurryCatHerder wrote:This

FurryCatHerder wrote:

This isn't a Suicide Hot Line.

Hope I cleared that up for you!

  I'm sorry Furry, did I offend you ?

 

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No, not at all.

 

Hard to tell on my end.

 

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But this is still NOT a  Suicide Hot Line..

 

That was never my point.  ( but psychologically speaking you're very good at compartmentalizing )

 

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..though the irony of being told not to work a Suicide Hot Line by someone who has images of things pointing guns to their head =is= rather amusing.

 

Then consider my avatar as being auto biographical,   ....perhaps that knowledge will temper your disdain.

 

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That said, let's not import our lover's quarrel to this thread.  Okay?

 

So, your killer instinct has temporarily subsided ?    I can wait   ( although your wild mood swings are very disorienting. )

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ProzacDeathWish wrote:  I'm

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  I'm sorry Furry, did I offend you ?

Yes, you have.

I don't mind scrapping when scrapping seems to be warranted.  It let's people know they can't just scream "You're an idiot for believing in G-d!" and get away with it.

But the end of the day, any group that wants to do something to make this a better rock to live on gets my support.  So this thread is NOT the place for scrapping.

Understood?

"Obviously I'm convinced of the existence of G-d. I'm equally convinced that Atheists who've led good lives will be in Olam HaBa going "How the heck did I wind up in this place?!?" while Christians who've treated people like dirt will be in some other place asking the exact same question."


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  I'm sorry Furry, did I offend you ?

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Yes, you have.

 

"No" "yes" which is it ?  I'm not joking when I say you vacillate like a pendulum. 

 

FurryCatHerder wrote:
I don't mind scrapping when scrapping seems to be warranted.

 

  I've not hurled a single invective your way.  My online demeanor is sedate and quite under control.

 

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It let's people know they can't just scream "You're an idiot for believing in G-d!" and get away with it.

 

Go back and reread, I've not even remotely broached the subject of "G-d."  I was calling you out for quite another reason.  To say when regarding the alleged importance of benevolence, that you are conveniently double-minded would be the gist of my comment, but I think you've already deduced that for yourself.  If not then I've seriously overestimated your ability to comprehend.

 

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But the end of the day, any group that wants to do something to make this a better rock to live on gets my support.

 

  Ha ha !  Doing "something to make this rock a better place to live on"  by repeatedly telling me to blow my brains out ?  If and when that happens it won't be because of you, it merely disgusts me to see you constantly run back and forth from one end of the moral spectrum to another all based upon what kind of mood you're in.

 

FurryCatHerder wrote:

So this thread is NOT the place for scrapping.

 

I am quite calm.

 

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Understood?

 

 Completely.

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Beyond, I will bail from this thread now.