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funny email I'm glad I didn't delete wrote:

 

Tolerance

 

I am truly perplexed that so many of my friends are against another Mosque being built in Sydney. Australia

 

I think it should be the goal of every Australian to be tolerant.

 

Thus the Mosque should be allowed, in an effort to promote tolerance.

 

That is why I also propose that two nightclubs be opened next door to the Mosque, thereby promoting tolerance from within the Mosque.

 

We could call one of the clubs, which would be gay, "The Turban Cowboy ", and the other a topless bar called "You Mecca Me Hot."

 

Next door should be a butcher shop that specializes in pork, and adjacent to that an open-pit barbeque pork restaurant, called "Iraq o' Ribs."

 

Across the street there could be a lingerie store called "Victoria Keeps Nothing Secret", with sexy mannequins in the window modeling the goods.

 

Next door to the lingerie shop there would be room for an adult sex toy shop, "Koranal Knowledge ", its name in flashing neon lights, and on the other side a liquor store called "Morehammered."

 

All of this would encourage the Muslims to demonstrate the tolerance they demand of us, so the Mosque problem would be solved.

 

 

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I like it.Brings to mind the

I like it.

Brings to mind the following thoughts:

How tolerant should we be of intolerance?

Is it intolerant to not tolerate intolerance?

Are we being 'narrow-minded' and 'bigoted' if we are insulting and/or hostile to narrow-minded bigots?

All demonstrations of the problems with logic we encounter when we try to refer to attributes of attributes, ie with various forms of self-referential statements.

I also think of a decision of some Islamic council or other to demand the death penalty for someone who insulted Islam by claiming it is barbaric and/or excessively harsh in its punishments for those who offend its 'laws', or something to that effect.

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I can only trace this to

I can only trace this to Bill Maher, but the quote "Don't get so tolerance you tolerate intolerance." is a good idea.  Islamic intolerance is only the tip of the iceberg.  Without too much thought into this, I believe there should be a zero tolerance towards intolerance. 

 

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BobSpence1 wrote:I like

BobSpence1 wrote:

I like it.

Brings to mind the following thoughts:

How tolerant should we be of intolerance?

Is it intolerant to not tolerate intolerance?

Are we being 'narrow-minded' and 'bigoted' if we are insulting and/or hostile to narrow-minded bigots?

All demonstrations of the problems with logic we encounter when we try to refer to attributes of attributes, ie with various forms of self-referential statements.

Which leads to the question begging assertions of 'absolutes' of apologists that have been pointed out as far back as in the Euthyphro dilemma, and no doubt in prior thought experiments.

It's not difficult to see why theism was reformed to become monotheistic. With only 1, there can be no discussion, or debate.

Of course this is, and never was a rationalization, and does nothing to solve the problem, the dilemma and cognitive dissonance still stands, which makes theism merely a campaign for 'might makes right'.

IOW, a political campaign for their dictator, over the opposition's dictator.

Kicking the can back to a 'god' offers no explanatory power to make objective 'right or wrong', 'good or evil' distinctions.

 

 

 

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BobSpence1 wrote:I like

BobSpence1 wrote:

I like it.

Brings to mind the following thoughts:

How tolerant should we be of intolerance?

Is it intolerant to not tolerate intolerance?

 

Yep.

 

BobSpence1 wrote:

Are we being 'narrow-minded' and 'bigoted' if we are insulting and/or hostile to narrow-minded bigots?

 

Yep.

Count me in, bigoted intolerant old b*tch that I am.

 


 

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BobSpence1 wrote:Are we

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Are we being 'narrow-minded' and 'bigoted' if we are insulting and/or hostile to narrow-minded bigots?

We might loosely qualify as 'bigoted', and be the furthest thing from 'narrow minded'. Loosely 'bigoted' in the sense that we are critical and against the 'ideas' that people hold, that can be jettisoned by reasoning.

Which would make it difficult to argue that it's 'wrong' or 'bad'  to be 'broad minded' and 'bigoted'.

 

 

I keep asking myself " Are they just playin' stupid, or are they just plain stupid?..."

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This really is a key issue in my view

BobSpence1 wrote:

 

Are we being 'narrow-minded' and 'bigoted' if we are insulting and/or hostile to narrow-minded bigots?

 

 

and something that's ignored by advocates of blanket political correctness from within the racial majority - in countries like Britain and Australia at least. Here, opposition to the islamic doctrine is called racism, bigotry or islamophobia in the complete absence of a coherent and equal inquisition of the fundamentals of the belief system criticized.

Personally, if christianity and islam removed the hate crimes, threats and inherent violence and intolerance from their cores I'd be very tolerant of them. But we all know that much of the point of these religions is to create a polarising division in society. When apostates and atheists are to convert or be murdered or convert or be incinerated eternally after their deaths, then blind tolerance is not an option. 

I draw the line at aggressive criticism but I find it galling many outspoken critics of islam must remain anonymous for fear of their lives, while the PC crowd remain oblivious. 

And yeah - that's a bloody funny little piece, the OP.  

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BobSpence1 wrote:I like

BobSpence1 wrote:

I like it.

Brings to mind the following thoughts:

How tolerant should we be of intolerance?

Is it intolerant to not tolerate intolerance?

Are we being 'narrow-minded' and 'bigoted' if we are insulting and/or hostile to narrow-minded bigots?

All demonstrations of the problems with logic we encounter when we try to refer to attributes of attributes, ie with various forms of self-referential statements.

I also think of a decision of some Islamic council or other to demand the death penalty for someone who insulted Islam by claiming it is barbaric and/or excessively harsh in its punishments for those who offend its 'laws', or something to that effect.

I forgot the guy's name, but the "Godfather's Pizza, former CEO" Said states had the right to refuse the building of a mosque.

WTF? For a black guy old enough to know that white people used the bible to tell them where they could pee and where they could sit at on the bus, he has to be the biggest dip shit in the GOP.

Separation of Church and state isn't either/or. It isn't a theocracy and it isn't despite what nuts like this would sell, a "godless country". All it means is that the state/government cannot favor one religion over another and is supposed to remain neutral on the issue of religion.

 

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Brian37 wrote:I forgot the

Brian37 wrote:

I forgot the guy's name, but the "Godfather's Pizza, former CEO" Said states had the right to refuse the building of a mosque.

WTF? For a black guy old enough to know that white people used the bible to tell them where they could pee and where they could sit at on the bus, he has to be the biggest dip shit in the GOP.

Separation of Church and state isn't either/or. It isn't a theocracy and it isn't despite what nuts like this would sell, a "godless country". All it means is that the state/government cannot favor one religion over another and is supposed to remain neutral on the issue of religion.

 

 

Exactly. We can't tell people what they can do or say or whether or not they can come into a country based on what some may find "offensive"

 

 

That's a stupid reason to ban something considering people may find this site offensive, or Christianity offensive, and we just gave the right for the government to ban those.

 

TheAmazingAtheist once said freedom of speech means that sometimes incrediable assholes win.

 

 


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Atheistextremist

Atheistextremist wrote:

 

Personally, if christianity and islam removed the hate crimes, threats and inherent violence and intolerance from their cores I'd be very tolerant of them. But we all know that much of the point of these religions is to create a polarising division in society. When apostates and atheists are to convert or be murdered or convert or be incinerated eternally after their deaths, then blind tolerance is not an option. 

I draw the line at aggressive criticism but I find it galling many outspoken critics of islam must remain anonymous for fear of their lives, while the PC crowd remain oblivious. 

And yeah - that's a bloody funny little piece, the OP.  

My opinion exactly.

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