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When quoting Thomas Jefferson..

http://agapemovement.com/category/wake-up-america

Apparently this group is down the street from me. I like how they quote Jefferson.

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I like how they are against

I like how they are against socialism and health care, but it is ok for them to get tax deductions for churches and they can be political - socialized religion.

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I am sure it is full of

I am sure it is full of quotes criticizing religion, NOT!

What a buch of theocratic dickheads.

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 If even half the people

 If even half the people who throw around Thomas Jefferson quotes actually shared the mans political ideology our current government wouldn't exist. He is often cherry picked for quotes to back up political arguments even though if he were alive today he would be scorned as an extreme radical and if he ran for office he would be lucky to get 1% of the vote. The man was a fucking genius, if only we were smart enough to learn from his wisdom. 

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Beyond Saving wrote: If

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 If even half the people who throw around Thomas Jefferson quotes actually shared the mans political ideology our current government wouldn't exist. He is often cherry picked for quotes to back up political arguments even though if he were alive today he would be scorned as an extreme radical and if he ran for office he would be lucky to get 1% of the vote. The man was a fucking genius, if only we were smart enough to learn from his wisdom. 

There is not much I agree with you on. But you are right. You might make a case that other founders had more religious views, but they knew those were a private matter. Most of them were deists and many Freemasons which would hardly be a standard for the Falwell types today.

Jefferson was the most insistent on a "wall" between church and state. He could hardly be painted as a right winger as far as religion and would, if alive today, WOULD reject the current republican party's stance on religion and government.

He was a flaming liberal for his time and the most responsible for the first Amendment. Madison wrote it, but it was modeled after Jefferson's Virgina Religious Freedom act.

These cowards who misquote him want so badly to destroy what he set up.

You know the irony of it all, Jefferson didn't sign the Constitution. I believe he was in France at the time acting as a diplomat.

What gets me about these ass hats, is if the founders wanted Jesus to be so intermingled with government where all others are mere guests, then it would have been easy to mention Christianity by name and Jesus in the oath of office in the Constitution.

But yet we have in the Constitution in no mention of Jesus or Christianity. And on top of that "make no law respecting the establishment of religion" and "No Religious test" in the requirements to the oath of office, and even the Barbary Treaty article 11 signed by the entire congress and president John Adams without any dissent.

And considering how much he valued science, even though he was a deist, I have no doubt, if he were alive today, he would have scrapped any semblance of woo he had back then.

He said in several letters that questioning religion was good. That being an atheist was ok, and HATED pulpit politics.

 

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Beyond Saving wrote: If

Beyond Saving wrote:

 If even half the people who throw around Thomas Jefferson quotes actually shared the mans political ideology our current government wouldn't exist. He is often cherry picked for quotes to back up political arguments even though if he were alive today he would be scorned as an extreme radical and if he ran for office he would be lucky to get 1% of the vote. The man was a fucking genius, if only we were smart enough to learn from his wisdom. 

EXACTLY !!!

 

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Brian37 wrote:Beyond Saving

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 If even half the people who throw around Thomas Jefferson quotes actually shared the mans political ideology our current government wouldn't exist. He is often cherry picked for quotes to back up political arguments even though if he were alive today he would be scorned as an extreme radical and if he ran for office he would be lucky to get 1% of the vote. The man was a fucking genius, if only we were smart enough to learn from his wisdom. 

There is not much I agree with you on. But you are right. You might make a case that other founders had more religious views, but they knew those were a private matter. Most of them were deists and many Freemasons which would hardly be a standard for the Falwell types today.

Jefferson was the most insistent on a "wall" between church and state. He could hardly be painted as a right winger as far as religion and would, if alive today, WOULD reject the current republican party's stance on religion and government.

He was a flaming liberal for his time and the most responsible for the first Amendment. Madison wrote it, but it was modeled after Jefferson's Virgina Religious Freedom act.

These cowards who misquote him want so badly to destroy what he set up.

You know the irony of it all, Jefferson didn't sign the Constitution. I believe he was in France at the time acting as a diplomat.

What gets me about these ass hats, is if the founders wanted Jesus to be so intermingled with government where all others are mere guests, then it would have been easy to mention Christianity by name and Jesus in the oath of office in the Constitution.

But yet we have in the Constitution in no mention of Jesus or Christianity. And on top of that "make no law respecting the establishment of religion" and "No Religious test" in the requirements to the oath of office, and even the Barbary Treaty article 11 signed by the entire congress and president John Adams without any dissent.

And considering how much he valued science, even though he was a deist, I have no doubt, if he were alive today, he would have scrapped any semblance of woo he had back then.

He said in several letters that questioning religion was good. That being an atheist was ok, and HATED pulpit politics.

 

Well said Brian.

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I started to quote some

I started to quote some Jefferson on their FB page but I actually sorta know a few of them in the group and I don't want my house burned down or something so I removed it.

People in this community might lynch a non-believer.

 

If what the judge did was to simply say the kid couldn't say a prayer at graduation I think he is breaking the law.

If however he was saying the school could not endorse it he is within the law.

Suprises me though that a Texas Judge would be against anything to do with religion at all.

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robj101 wrote:I started to

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I started to quote some Jefferson on their FB page but I actually sorta know a few of them in the group and I don't want my house burned down or something so I removed it.

People in this community might lynch a non-believer.

 

If what the judge did was to simply say the kid couldn't say a prayer at graduation I think he is breaking the law.

If however he was saying the school could not endorse it he is within the law.

Suprises me though that a Texas Judge would be against anything to do with religion at all.

That is a "wink wink" loophole theist use. The assholes who say, "the school isn't endorsing it" are the same school employees and city council who go to church every sunday and " wink wink" at the students knowing most parents sell jesus to their kid.

The judge saw what was clearly a state setting being used to promote religion. It is bullshit to lie about it.

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robj101

robj101 wrote:

http://agapemovement.com/category/wake-up-america

Apparently this group is down the street from me. I like how they quote Jefferson.

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If you are concerned about America’s direction, you are in the right place. AGAPE is an organization formed by a core group of 20 people in Wichita Falls, Texas.  It began with one Wichita Falls couple who became concerned about the growing federal government, runaway spending and the moral decline in our nation.  As they talked to their family, friends, pastor and customers, they found that many had the same concerns.

If this is the same type of "moral decline" that I supect it is (certain forms of sexuality between cons. adults, abortion, euthanasia), then "moral decline" is almost my primary specialty. A shame, as the remainder of the group's aims are sublime.

“A meritocratic society is one in which inequalities of wealth and social position solely reflect the unequal distribution of merit or skills amongst human beings, or are based upon factors beyond human control, for example luck or chance. Such a society is socially just because individuals are judged not by their gender, the colour of their skin or their religion, but according to their talents and willingness to work, or on what Martin Luther King called 'the content of their character'. By extension, social equality is unjust because it treats unequal individuals equally.” "Political Ideologies" by Andrew Heywood (2003)


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Kapkao wrote:robj101

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robj101 wrote:

http://agapemovement.com/category/wake-up-america

Apparently this group is down the street from me. I like how they quote Jefferson.

Quote:
If you are concerned about America’s direction, you are in the right place. AGAPE is an organization formed by a core group of 20 people in Wichita Falls, Texas.  It began with one Wichita Falls couple who became concerned about the growing federal government, runaway spending and the moral decline in our nation.  As they talked to their family, friends, pastor and customers, they found that many had the same concerns.

If this is the same type of "moral decline" that I supect it is (certain forms of sexuality between cons. adults, abortion, euthanasia), then "moral decline" is almost my primary specialty. A shame, as the remainder of the group's aims are sublime.

Their "moral decline" seems to be another way to say "religious decline". They might be hopping mad and willing to beat you with a bible untill you believe it...or some Thomas Jefferson quotes lol.

Faith is the word but next to that snugged up closely "lie's" the want.
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