Which leads me to an recent US agreement with Israel to issue an unliimited number of immigration visas on an emergency basis. How apropos to the current situation. Preparation for the inevitable.

Despite the Zionist propaganda family history remembers the homeland which, in most cases, was favorable save for the war which was over in 1945.
There is NO attachment to bibleland.

At least 20% of Russian Jews have gone home and some estimates are as high as 80%. Why are there only estimates? Isael never subtracts those who leave from its population statistice as was revealed by Haaretz years ago. Citizenship and population are always different numbers. In any event there is no attachment to the land despite the zionist Blut und Erde rhetoric.

In any event after September Israel is set up for active international ostracism all very lawful and customary and all the whines about hating jews won't get out of the box. Non-starter period.

So what can be done? Already serious people in Israel are waring the current government is insane enough to bomb Iran to divert attention. And no rational response is in place for Iran lobbing missiles into Israel until hell freezes over. See above unlimited immigration visas. 

As far as I am concerned this is a bullshit fight that has been going on forever between Jews and Muslims. Jews did not help themselves buy moving back after WW2, but they damned sure are far more worldly and pluralistic as far as religion and ethnics.

ALL religions, not just Islam, but all, need to adapt to modern society and our small world now. Islam is still that childish brat who cant stand that others share the sandbox. Israel is wrong in that it thought a god gave them the land when the reality was a sympathetic world did, and wrongfully so precisely because of the ongoing problem.

Until both parties accept that this is a deep seeded meme of the war between sky daddies, and until both put that bullshit aside, this problem will continue.

It is absolute bullshit to say sky daddy belief is not causing problems for both sides and to say this is strictly occupation is absurd.

Personally I would tell all my Jewish friends go fucking move out of that crack infested neighborhood and leave it to the theocratic nutjobs. I think if they did that, what would happen is any secular Muslims would find out how quickly they too would want to leave the area.

This problem IS religiously based but it IS mainly being caused by the refusal of Muslims to accept secularism and pluralism. Israel isn't helping themselves either by swatting flies with sledgehammers.

Luminon, you have to be out of your mind to think that the Taliban wants freedom. NO they want to be free to be dictators to their own.  That is not freedom, that is freedom to dictate.

Where the hell do you get off trying peddle a Jewish media conspiracy? You'd have a case if there were a monopoly on media controled by one family or one political party. That is far from the case and your stupid assertion that Jews control the media is as bad as Hitler blaming the Jews for the world's problems. I think you need to stop hanging out with Mel Gibson.

Wow, I've read some really weird stuff coming from you before, but this takes the cake.

The Taliban wants the freedom to oppress women and non-Muslims. The Palestinians DO have plenty of people who do merely want to stop the occupation, BUT are lead by people who would not be merely satisfied with borders and would if they could, do what Hitler did to the Jews.

You have got to be out of your mind to think the Taliban wants pluralism or freedom, just because they want to be left alone. I think what they do to their women is sick and amounts to religious slavery. How you can call yourself moral and justify giving them "peace" when they don't want freedom for their own people, is sick.

I DO have problems with Israel's military and leadership, but it is not a conspiracy and any real beefs Palestinians do have or lost to the fact that they allow themselves to be ruled by theocratic nuts bent on the extermination of Jews. So if Palestinians want the west off their backs and want peace, they have to reject the tribal dickheads who rule over them.

You need to give yourself a reality check. I have problems with both sides, but Palestine is the one causing problems they could easily fix by rejecting theocracy and embracing pluralism and secularism. They can have the peace they say they want quite easly. But the Palestinian leadership doesn't want peace, it wants a theocracy and it wants to exterminate Jews. Whatever poverty and collateral damage sympathy I do have for some Palestinians does NOT change the fact that their leadership are a bunch of dark age goons. They need to embrace western secularism and pluralism and clean their own house if they want things to get better.

I am quite sure for example, Terran is quite peaceful, and probably has a low crime rate, but that "peace" comes at the cost of non-Shiites and non-Muslims being oppressed. That "peace" comes at the cost of no political competition or freedom of speech.

If Palestine had the weapons and the power they would set up a theocracy. That might bring peace, but it would not value individuality or protect individual rights.

Isreal's government is secular by comparison and does allow for freedom of religion and protects media and individual rights. I do think it makes tons of mistakes like America has in it's history in regards to minorities and mistreats Muslims and their neighbors. But they are not the same in any way to the theocracy Palestine would set up nor would they advocate sticking Muslims in ovens like far too many Muslims in Palestine would do do Jews if given the chance.

Whatever problems I have with Israel and how they react, they are not a dictatorship nor are they anything like Hamas or the Taliban. To say that the Taliban or Hamas deserves rights is absurd. No group that advocates the extermination of outsiders who bases it on "god said so" deserves every fucking condemnation.

You are out of your mind if you think the leadership of Palestine values human rights. They do want peace, but not pluralism or individual rights. They want an Allah run government. Nothing any modern westernized secular Muslim should want.

If Germany and Japan can change so can Palestine, but do not fucking ask me to shed a tear for their leadership who is bent on genocide and WOULD NOT value individual rights if we did give them the borders and nation they wanted.

Until they rid themselves of their Dark Age leadership thugs, Palestine will continue causing pain to their own people, even the secular Muslims who are merely victims of merely being born in the wrong place.

EVEN IF Jews suddenly left, there may not be war in that region, but any Palestinian nation would not reflect the west and would look like the dictatorships like Iran and Saudi Arabia. I don't see how you would want those living conditions for any human. It certainly  would be fine for those in power, but it would suck for any minorities or objectors in such a case.

And be careful using the word "democracy", Palestine did have elections and voted in theocrats who do not and would not value the rights of non-muslims.

Simply voting does not constituted and open society. Iran has elections too, but that is merely a democratic dictatorship, it is still mob rule by vote.

Hamas is the majority power now in Palestine and they would not give Jews any rights nor you or me.

A pluralistic society goes way beyond merely voting, it values and defends the rights of minorities and has checks on power. Hamas does not want that kind of "democracy".

The only way Palestine will get my support is if it gives up on the idea of an Allah run government and openly states that minorities will be constitutionally protected as equally as the majority. I am not, nor am I impressed in the least that they vote. Voting alone does not protect pluralism or dissent.

Lets us just reduce this to the essentials. The occupier can do no right. The occupied can do no wrong.

That is enshrined in post WWII case law and in the Geneva Conventions.

So there is nothing to discuss.

The Jewish military dictatorship is always wrong by the simple fact that it is a dictatorship which is not mitigated by the fact that it is also jewish.

Bullshit.

You think it is ok to strap a bomb to yourself and blow up unarmed people on a bus simply because you don't like the government those unarmed people live under? You think it is ok to kill in the name of god?

Dont even try to justify murder with "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" bullshit.

Until Palestine is willing to give up on it's theocratic goals, they are NOT going to get one lick of sympathy from me, especially when they wont condemn suicide bombing. And not even of military, they do it to UNARMED PEOPLE.

What kind of fucking reaction do you think you are going to get from anyone pulling shit like that?

If someone killed my family or friends what would you have me do? ESPECIALLY if my family or friends were unarmed at the time they were murdered?

You are trying to justify two wrongs make a right.

If Palestine truly wants the moral high ground then they need to stop the rocket attacks and stop the suicide bombings and stop demanding the extermination of Jews.

That is a wonderful and even impressive tirade. But I do not see the important parts.

Why and how does that mean the human rights of Palestinians are not recognized by the jewish, military dictatorship which rules them?

Hamas is terrible even though Israel created it as well documented by Fisk and by Israelis themselves. What does that have to do with no human rights for Palestinians? Please explain how one negates the other. I assume you can explain it as you have said it does.

Again, bullshit.

And by that standard every white non-native American should move back to Europe. My ancestors were not Native Americans. You think I should hand my own house to a Native American now when I had nothing to do with what my ancestors did?

And by that standard Australia should give that country back to the Aborigonies(sp)

YOU ONCE AGAIN MISS MY POINT.

"HE STARTED IT" is bullshit and I don't give a fuck. I already said the deed was done, but for you to think Israel should be desolved and all it's citizens go back to Europe WONT HAPPEN, so stop crying like a baby over things you wont fucking change.

DEAL WITH THE HERE AND NOW, not the fucking past. Israel was established and the deed is done NOTHING will change the past.

The Palestinians are not helping themselves at all by demanding things that wont happen and most certainly wont change a damned thing by using murder as a political tactic.

Solving a wrong by doing a wrong doesnt solve shit and dwelling in the past over history that cannot be reversed is childish and FUCKING STUPID

ONCE AGAIN, if they want the moral high ground then they need to stop being violent. PERIOD, otherwise they give Israel the excuse to make excuses for what they do. If you don't want them to have a reason DONT GIVE THEM A FUCKING REASON

As I understand it, the Jewish people who resettled in Israel after WWII were of the belief it was their homeland, not the Palestinians homeland.  It always sounded very similar to me to other disputed lands.  Northern Ireland, a portion of the Navajo/Hopi reservations in the SW US, the entire Serbia/Croatia/etc area and so on.  

But as Brian37 said, it isn't going to happen that the Israelis will give the land back to the Palestinians now regardless of the legality of any take over.  I happen to agree it probably is a war crime - though I am no lawyer so my opinion is worth doodly.  Practically, they are going to have to come to some realization that the bible is a book of myths that never happened and their claims based on the portion I think of as the old testament are invalid.  I don't see that happening any time in the near future.

The Palestinians and other Islamic groups also have to get over the terrorists bombings.  It is not helping their cause, it is hurting it.  Most westerners - at least everyone I have ever talked with - agrees that terrorist bombings are wrong, so wrong that the people who suicide in that fashion are evil and deserved to die.  And the general consensus - among my theistic friends - is that terrorist bombers should all roast in hell. 

Until everyone gets past those two points, nothing constructive is going to happen.

Again bullshit.

You are doing to the citizens of Israel what you say should not be done to the citizens of Palestine. There isn't one fucking country on the face of the planet that hasn't done some horrible crap. America has had slavery, genocide. My President Bush Jr, most certainly got tons of innocent people killed. But that does not mean the entire population of my country supports what he did, nor does it mean the entire country should be disolved because of his ineptness or his personal zealotry that put us in the mess of two wars.

Unlike you, I am NOT going to blame all the individuals in Palestine like you want to blame all the citizens of Israel for whatever bad their government HAS done.

If you are going to blame an entire country for the actions of some in that country's government you might as well have me arrested for merely living in the country Bush ruled for 8 years and then have every soldier who served in Iraq and Afghanistan arrested for following orders.

Now, find me Jews in Israel who side with you, then get both those Jews and Palestinians together outside their respective leadership to get vocal, more vocal that the current leadership of either.  But to expect me to respect Hamas is a joke. That would be like asking me to respect Iran's PM.

But you are not going to get any support from me if you think blowing yourself up and taking out unarmed people will work. It just pisses people off more.

If posting in an atheist only forum on an atheist website does not convince you that what people choose to believe is meaningless I do not know what will. Where do you read, "They want to believe in god therefore we have to let them impose their belief upon us"? Have you not noticed a local mission to disuade such idiots from god beliefs? Should we not do zionists the same favor and dispel their idiot CHOSEN beliefs? If not why not?

All this izziehugging zionist crap about bombings really gets out of hand. The first bombings of civilians in Palestine were by Jews of Palestinians markets. Jews started it. Payback's a bitch. Stop whining.

Second I have no problem with a test giving Palestinians modern arms and tanks and all and seeing if they still use terrorist bombs. My money says they would not.

BUT in the Warsaw ghetto Jews sabotaged packages to kill Germans. When the Germans got smarter they started sending out women with grenades which the set off to kill Gemans. Germans caught on.

Then they started sending out women with baby carriages but with dolls not babies. They killed a few Germans along with themselves as usual. Germans caught on.

Then the jewish women took their jewish babies out and still used grenades to kill their child, themselves and Germans.

This is PRAISED by Jews in Israel and every place else I can find.

So please explain to me why it is more reprehensible for Palestinians to do LESS than Jews did. I really want to know.

The issue here is name calling. Their suicide bombers are terrorists. Our suicide bombers are heroes.

I do not understand why people are dumb enough to keep after this when they know they reality. 

What Palestinian asshole blew this fucking smoke up your ass? Certainly not a Palestinian individual I would support. Now you are equating the Palestinian cause to the French resistance?

Wow are you deluded.

THE PEOPLE who lob rockets into Israel and the people who blow up unarmed people CANNOT nor should ever be equated to the RIGHTFUL resistance the French had against the Nazis.

You are out of your mind thinking the two are remotely comparable.

Palestine is not ruled by secular pluralists. It is ruled by people who think infidels and their supporters deserve death. And the minority of Palestinians who DO want a secular pluralistic government are drowned out by these nuts you wrongfully support who do drowned out the voices of the secular among them.

I'll tell you what, you love Palestine so much, move there and then attempt to say to anyone on the street that Allah doesn't exist and see how fast you get arrested beaten up or killed. Then come back here and cry about the big bad Jews.

Get Hamas to renounce use of violence, get them to write a constitution that protects religious and political minorities. Good luck with that. I am sure that will happen when pink unicorns exist. But since that is all the leadership they have now, my suggestion to the Palestinians is to get rid of the leadership that promotes violence.

"They stole my land"

And exactly how is acting out in violence against unarmed civilians convincing Israel to stop taking more land? If anything they are saying to themselves, "Why should we respect the rights of people who act like barbarians"?

You can justify anything you want, it still doesn't change the fact that Palestine is not pluralistic in its government and would not value individual rights. So whatever wrong Israel IS doing, is an EXCUSE to ignore the internal problems you could solve so that you could take the moral high ground.

But as I see it now, Palestine doesn't have the moral high ground using it's  current tactics. You claiming Israel has no morals shouldn't justify who you side with having no morals. Your doing the stupid thing of justifying their bad acts to do bad acts yourself.

If you truly believe Israel is the bad guy, then "tit for tat" which HAS NOT WORKED AND WILL NOT WORK, should be a useless tactic. Maybe you should try something else because the violence IS NOT working.

Do you believe jews ever lived in what the Romans called Judea? Do you realise the great mosque is built on top of a jewish temple? Do you think the diaspora happened over a couple of hundred years or is made up?

Genetics clearly show that Jews, Palestinians, Syrians, Jordanians and Lebanese are all from one ancestral genetic lineage - some jewish people have more european dna but there's still an obvious connection dating to the diaspora.

My personal opinion is that there should be a single nation combining Israel and Palestine but we all know the chances of that are zero. I don't like the situation as it is. I've always thought the jews should have bought some uninhabited island or land - something no one had any claim to or interest in - and founded a new nation there. It would have been much less hassle even if it was an even more pestilent shit hole than Israel was in the 1940s. I think a bit of Western Australia was offered as a home site after WW2 - the Kimberley Plan - but the deal wasn't taken up and was opposed by the U.S. which suggested Palestine.

What's your solution to what you obviously see as the jewish problem?

Another thing, I do think the two state solution IS a bad idea. I think that plays too much into the religious utopias both try to lay stake on the land about. But IF Palestine insists on being a nation, the only way like I said I can support such an idea is that they set up a government that protects the rights of all, including political and religious minorities. Right now, I don't see that happening.

I mean, you can be a staunch rational atheist as you like, but someone's got to play the good policeman.

It was the zionists playing the underdog card that got the US entangled with Israel in the first place. I agree that mistake should not be repeated.

However this is not an issue of virtue. If it were the US could never have supported the murderous cause of zionism.

Rather it is a matter of international law which, as a result of WWII, modified Hague V with the the fourth Geneva convention. The occupied have an absolute right to kill the citizens of the occupying power when that occupatoin is unlawful as they were during WWII. The right is absolute and without limitation or condition.

Whatever word you mean it is clearly not apostate. I cannot comment on this statement beyond pointing out it is both meaningless and nonsensical as stated.

You also need to look into American history for what really happened. That is not what happened.

Whatever you wish to call it, the occupation is criminal. Nothing justifies the criminal nature of the occupation. Choosing to use the faddish buzzword "hate" has no merit or bearing upon the fact of the ciminal occupation.

Are you going to try to try to tell me the occupying IDF in the West Bank is responsible to the elected representatives of the Palestinian people? If not then it is clearly a military dictatorship. It is what it is. You can point to the Palestine's vichy government but it is still a military dictatorship. The people have no say in who rules them or how they are ruled. They have no rights. What the military says and does has the force of law.

How can you say it is not a military dictatorship? The truth is what it is. The truth cannot be hate.

You also need to learn the history of Palestine and of the zionists. It is amazing how many wrong ideas you have expressed in so few words. Jews decided on Palestine in the 1890s. The first advocacy of the use of deadly force to expel the natives that I have found was in 1917. It is not in question it was formally advocated by the Brit Jabotinsky in the Iron Wall. The present ruling Likud traces it political position to Jabotinsky's advocacy of the use of mass murder to make it possible to steal the land from its lawful owners. It is also not in questoin that his Revisionist movement took over mainstream zionism in the 1920s. It is also not in question the zionists pioneered the use of car bombs in Palestinians markets in that decade. There is much more for you about the subject should you ever take the time to learn.

I did not say it was bad. I said it was criminal. I said because it is criminal the occupied have the unfettered right to kill the bastards.

The women who have to ride on the back of the bus in Israel would certainly disagree with you as did the American woman who was assaulted for refusing to do so.

Before you object to my using the majority Orthodox in Israel to characterize all Israelis you should stop trying to characterize the Palestinians by the worst stereotypes you can come up with. Everyone knows Palestine is a democracy even though they are suffering from a coup lead by Fatah. You should know the oldest continuous democracy in the middle east is Lebanon since 1943. That is five years before Israel and ten years before the appearance of people dumb enough to say Israel is the only democracy.

And it does take more than a few weeks reading Haaretz or the Jerusalem post to learn Israeli society most closely resembles that of the US in the post civil war south, as backward, as militant and as racist, virulently so. Israeli laws openly discriminate against non-Jews and making discrimination a matter of law is by defintion Apartheid. The rabid racism in housing discrimination is worse than it ever was in the US south.

So yes, one can say Israel is no better than some middle eastern country but as Israel claims to be a modern democracy the only valid comparison is with a modern democracy.

Unless the occupation troops the Palestnians ended the political violence years ago. They have openly declared they are foregoing their right of resistance in order to obain their state free of Israeli control.

Stereotypes are really dumb. The most populous Muslim country in the world also probably accounts for more than half the components in your computer.

Nor should one generalize to "jews" as Jewish amulets, curses, and protections from the evil eye sold be rabbis in Israel is very well known. Those are Orthodox Jews or, as they say, real Jews not those apostate (correct usage) Conservative and Reform fake Jews. Not observant then not a Jew. It applies in religious law in Israel. And as the Israeli government pays the salaries of rabbis and such you are going to have to tell me how that does not pass at least one reasonable defintion of a theocracy.

I have read more knowledgeable material direct from the Israeli propaganda ministry than you have posted. You really do need to read up on the subject.

Jesus was a Galilean. The Judeans conquered the Galileans and forced them to convert to Judaism around 140BC according to the priest Josephus. Jews have never liked it when the people they force to convert get uppity.

For the record the Indians signed treaties and ceded territorial sovereignty claims to the US government. They are called peace treaties. A peace treaty ceding SOVEREIGNTY claims over territory is what Israel wants from the Palestinians. Sovereignty is not ownership. Individual ownership remains regardless of sovereignty. Private property can only be purchased or stolen. Jews chose to steal it from individual Palestinians. Palestinians want their property back.

Palestinians are only demanding the same standard of justice from Israel as Israel demands for Jews for actions related to WWII. Justice for one is justice for the other. There are no exceptions.

The property still exists in Israel just as it does in Germany, Poland, Hungary and other countries where Israel sponsors claims of reparations for Jews in the name of the justice it refuses to consider for its Palestinians victims.

Unlike wages property is heritable. Israel demands justice for the descendants of Jews who lost property just as the descendants of the Palestinians demand the same justice for what Jews stole from their parents and grandparents.

You seem to be terribly confused about this subject.

If Judaism were Zionism antisemitism would be a moral imperative. One can look at Israel as an example of what Jews are like when have political power. One can see why even the Romans could not tolerate the genital mutilating, backward savages.

The military is exactly what one expects a tin pot militarist country to have. It can't project its military power much beyond its borders and can't fight a serious war that lasts more than a month without its economy collapsing so their military is obviously mostly a waste.

US support of it is solely the result of jewish lobbying. Israel is a welfare state. It has a free medical system. Israel can cut the frills and pay for its own military if it really needs like it has.

But then, Israel has always been a Shnorrer nation.

Obviously there were Jews in Judea. Josephus says they took their name for Judea. Your question is no different that asking if I believe Judeans lived in Judea. Sort of a no-brainer question that.

As a matter of fact no one knows where the Herodian temple was located. It is nothing but religious superstition saying it is under ONE OF THE mosques.

Diaspora has a lot of semantic baggage. What we do know is there is  no evidence of any forced expulsion from Judea. The claim that was is something Judeans/Jews made up early on as it was debunked in the 5th c. AD. Of course if you can produce physical evidence of forced expulsion you should publish it as no one else knows of any.

Palestine is a geographic region and has been since at least the 5th c. BC. Israel is mostly in Palestine. So is Lebanon for that matter.

In fact in 1934 or so Stalin did create a republic for the Jews in Siberia. They didn't like the location. That was back before the CPSU power struggle with the KVD and Red Army and subsequent purges. In any event it is still there although I can't say Russia would still admit foreigners to live there. They also refused a British offer of a colony in Uganda. They had decided on Palestine and nothing else in the 1890s.

Zionism is a perhaps the most public and success conspiracy in history.

ScienceDaily (May 9, 2000) — If a common heritage conferred peace, then perhaps the long history of conflict in the Middle East would have been resolved years ago. For, according to a new scientific study, Jews are the genetic brothers of Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese, and they all share a common genetic lineage that stretches back thousands of years.

"Jews and Arabs are all really children of Abraham," says Harry Ostrer, M.D., Director of the Human Genetics Program at New York University School of Medicine, an author of the new study by an international team of researchers in the United States, Europe, and Israel. "And all have preserved their Middle Eastern genetic roots over 4,000 years," he says.

The researchers analyzed the Y chromosome, which is usually passed unchanged from father to son, of more than 1,000 men worldwide. Throughout human history, alterations have occurred in the sequence of chemical bases that make up the DNA in this so-called male chromosome, leaving variations that can be pinpointed with modern genetic techniques. Related populations carry the same specific variations. In this way, scientists can track descendants of large populations and determine their common ancestors.

Specific regions of the Y chromosome were analyzed in 1,371 men from 29 worldwide populations, including Jews and non-Jews from the Middle East, North Africa, sub-Saharan Africa, and Europe.

The study, published in the May 9 issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, found that Jewish men shared a common set of genetic signatures with non-Jews from the Middle East, including Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese, and these signatures diverged significantly from non-Jewish men outside of this region. Consequently, Jews and Arabs share a common ancestor and are more closely related to one another than to non-Jews from other areas of the world.

The study also revealed that despite the complex history of Jewish migration in the Diaspora (the time since 556 B.C. when Jews migrated out of Palestine), Jewish communities have generally not intermixed with non-Jewish populations. If they had, then Jewish men from different regions of the world would not share the same genetic signatures in their Y chromosome.

"Because ancient Jewish law states that Jewish religious affiliation is assigned maternally, our study afforded the opportunity to assess the contribution of non-Jewish men to present-day Jewish genetic diversity," says Michael Hammer, Ph.D., from the University of Arizona, Tucson, who is the lead author of the new study. "It was surprising to see how significant the Middle Eastern genetic signal was in Jewish men from different communities in the Diaspora," he says.

The authors of this study are: Dr. Ostrer from NYU School of Medicine; Michael F. Hammer, Alan J. Redd, Elizabeth T. Wood, M. Roxane Bonner, Hamdi Jarjanazil, and Tanya Karafet from the University of Arizona, Tucson; Silvana Santachlara-Benerecetti, University of Pavia, Italy; Ariella Oppenheim, Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Israel; Mark A. Jobling, University of Leicester, England; Trefor Jenkins, University of Witwatersrand, Johannesburg, South Africa; and Batsheva Bonne-Tamar, Tel Aviv University, Israel.

Science Daily is journalism majors but generally not to bad. However anything that refers to the mythical Abraham as though a real person is worthless to rational people. Sneaking in 4000 years under that nonsense merely compounds it. First is opens with a broad assertion of similarity which is established but then focusses upon the Y chromosome and goes on to talk about self-declared Jews.

Now it seems we are a supposed to focus on the zionist invention of the Jewish people while not noticing the only way to open with the first paragraph and lead into this discussion is if "arabs" have this same gene.

An unbeliever should not be distracted by the blind religious faith of the "researcher" and come to the obvious conclusion of his claimed research, that Jews are a subset of the Arabs and not separate at all. Then we can ask the legitimate question as to how Arabs found their way into eastern Europe to become Russians and Poles and the like.

Note here the only possible meaning of "arab" are the three Arabias of ancient time, Felix, Petra and Deserta not out definitions which mean either geographically people from the Arabilan peninsula or politically from Saudi Arabia. (I have not been able to decipher the geography of the three ancient Arabias from ancient maps. If anyone knows of a source by someone who has I will appreciate a link.)

Now we are back to the generic connection from the hills of eastern Palestine all the way around the rim of the Arabian peninsula to Iran as well as the post Islamic migrations north into Iraq less the Kurds. But that Kohenim gene is still in play for Jews only instead for all Arabs which includes Jews.

Fact is that "migration" is found only a book of tales that first appears in history in the 1st c. BC. The absence of mixing is tossed in here even though the subject under discussion is ALL Arabs with a small minority who stuck with the Yahweh cult.

As with the "diaspora" this "law" first appears in history in the 1st c. BC although Josephus traces it as history back to the mid 2nd c. BC. To put this in perspective what the study supposedly says about the small subset of Arabs, the Jews, obviously applies to all Arabs else the major component of this study is inapplicable. 

Obviously there is a god. I was given clear evidence that what applies to all Arabs is discussed in a way to support the zionist invention of the jewish people when in fact what is says applies to all Arabs not just those of the Yahweh cult. Further it identifies the Y Cohenim marker as an Arab marker in general rather than unique to members of one antiquated cult.

computer types can't do science.

Descended? The previous article established Judeans, aka Jews, were a subset of Arabs.

It has never been a secret the Palestinians have been in the region we still call Palestine for at least 2500 years (per Herodotus) and were there before the Jews appeared in history. It has never been in question any group of them who were forced to adopt the Yahweh cult practices (as per Josephus) or were among those who invented the cult simply adopted other religions, Christianity for some and Islam for the majority.

Where in the well known and unquestioned facts does the word "descended" come from? From the only sources we have which qualify as real history the Judeans of the Yahweh cult appeared among the Palestinians. If one insists upon using the word descended the Jews descended from the Palestinians as the Palestinians were there first.

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For the historical record socially/politcally in the 5th c. BC the Palestinians were the Palestinians of Syria (Herodotus) and the Syrians would have been part of Arabia Felix not what today we consider Arabia.

Another note. Not found in any Western or Jewish narrative are Jewish kingdoms on the east coast of the Red Sea. The only mention of them is found in the Koran.

You are playing a stupid semantics game and favoring the underdog whom you think is completely innocent in all this. In the entire history of BOTH religions neither is.

As I said before "He started it" is bullshit and does nothing to solve the current problem BOTH contribute to.

You are out of your fucking mind if you think that there are no Muslims at all bent on the genocide of Jews. And you are out of your mind if you think all Jews are bent on the genocide of Muslims just because their government uses overkill to solve problems.

The problem IS caused by religion and until BOTH sides accept that, and deal with it, this conflict will continue.