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'Officer caught on video pepper-spraying a baby squirrel'

A 6' asshole defending himself from a 3" rodent.

This is what happens when you call a cop instead of the proper authority, like a wildlife rehabilitator.

Even if this idiot had no clue as to how to handle a baby squirrel, it is obvious he is just plain mean and sadistic and should be reprimanded for his poor judgement.

 

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robj101 wrote:... Spraying

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... Spraying this stuff on a small animal probably did not make it feel good.

No, but it would do wonders for the taste Eye-wink  peppered squirrel, yum yum

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... Spraying this stuff on a small animal probably did not make it feel good.

No, but it would do wonders for the taste Eye-wink  peppered squirrel, yum yum

el oh el

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My attack was not funny at the time but now it is

when i owned my own business in south Alabama "gulf shores" i employed 6 guys.

on a job one day on the island we were all amazed at the number of squirrels in this guys yard.

i went to the supply shop to  pick up some additional PVC pipe to get the job done.

being the great boss that i was i also picked up the guys lunch at Mc Donald's.

while sitting in the truck eating our lunches the squirrels would perch them selves on the side mirrors of the truck begging for more fries.

we feed them for about an hour or so most of them had retreated to there homes.

 

after completing the project i noticed one of the squirrels perched on the mirror eating another fry.

he had gone into the truck to get it.

while driving home i had the radio loader than hell.

there was a bridge that i had to cross over to get on the island.

on my way back across this bridge i felt something nudging me under the seat. i took out a tool and beat the seat.

out pops one of those very docile squirrels. not so docile now. he and i battled over who would drive us across the bridge.

once across i pulled over using hardly any breaks.

jumped from my truck opened the doors and began throwing things into the truck to get rid of what was now a pest.

LOL its funny now but that day it scared the shit out of me.

 

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Copperheads? Wow. People go the the doc the next day from them just in case they got some bacteria from the bite.

 

Copperheads are a type of venomous pit viper so if someone who was bit by one is only concerned about bacteria then they must have suicidal tendencies.

 

" Yeah, Martha, it was just a poisonous copperhead that bit me. I'll pour some rubbing alcohol on the bite wound and put a band aid on it. Maybe I'll go to the doctor in a day or so " ...or not.

 

OK, you are from Texas right? There is a minor collision there as we are talking about different species of snake. If I were hit by any “hot” in Texas, I would get at least one dose of crofab as a precaution even before starting the observation phase. Texas snakes are really dangerous.

 

On the other hand, if you come up to the great state of Connecticut, the situation would be very different. What I call a copperhead does not bite unless cornered and even then, it is almost always a dry bite as a warning. Even if you get envenomated, the dose is fairly small and it is a really weak venom.

 

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Although venomous, these snakes are generally non-aggressive and bites are almost never fatal. Copperhead venom has an estimated lethal dose of around 100 mg, and tests on mice show its potency is among the lowest of all pit vipers, and slightly weaker than that of its close relative, the cottonmouth. The bite of a cottonmouth is more serious, however, as they have a much larger venom yield than a copperhead. Copperheads often employ a "warning bite" when stepped on or agitated and inject a relatively small amount of venom, if any at all. "Dry bites" involving no venom are particularly common with the copperhead, though all pit vipers are capable of a dry bite.

 

Although technically the antivenin CroFab could be used to treat an envenomation, it is usually not administered for copperheads, as the risk of complications of an allergic reaction to the treatment are greater than the risk from the snakebite itself in most cases. Pain management, antibiotics, and medical supervision in the case of complications is usually the course of action. In 2002 the Illinois poison control center report on the availability of antivenin, the report stated it used 1 Acp to 5 Acp depending on the symptoms and circumstances. The symptoms of a mild envenomation include swelling of the hand, mild cellulitis, and respiratory distress. The symptoms of a moderate envenomation would include swelling of the hand, vomiting, mild bleeding, ecchymosis, diaphoretic, sinus tachycardia, and hypotensive, where the most likely circumstance is the person bitten was collecting rocks.


 

Seriously, the venom from my snake is so weak that antibiotics are usually the most that you will need. Although we do have timber rattlers but even those have a weak venom and the first line of treatment is observation before crofab just in case there is not a significant envenomation from the bite.

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 Seriously, the venom from my snake is so weak that antibiotics are usually the most that you will need. Although we do have timber rattlers but even those have a weak venom and the first line of treatment is observation before crofab just in case there is not a significant envenomation from the bite.

 

  Mmmm.  Duly noted.  I had no idea about regional differences among these reptiles.

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Copperheads? Wow. People go the the doc the next day from them just in case they got some bacteria from the bite.

 

Copperheads are a type of venomous pit viper so if someone who was bit by one is only concerned about bacteria then they must have suicidal tendencies.

 

" Yeah, Martha, it was just a poisonous copperhead that bit me. I'll pour some rubbing alcohol on the bite wound and put a band aid on it. Maybe I'll go to the doctor in a day or so " ...or not.

 

OK, you are from Texas right? There is a minor collision there as we are talking about different species of snake. If I were hit by any “hot” in Texas, I would get at least one dose of crofab as a precaution even before starting the observation phase. Texas snakes are really dangerous.

 

On the other hand, if you come up to the great state of Connecticut, the situation would be very different. What I call a copperhead does not bite unless cornered and even then, it is almost always a dry bite as a warning. Even if you get envenomated, the dose is fairly small and it is a really weak venom.

 

wikipedia wrote:
Although venomous, these snakes are generally non-aggressive and bites are almost never fatal. Copperhead venom has an estimated lethal dose of around 100 mg, and tests on mice show its potency is among the lowest of all pit vipers, and slightly weaker than that of its close relative, the cottonmouth. The bite of a cottonmouth is more serious, however, as they have a much larger venom yield than a copperhead. Copperheads often employ a "warning bite" when stepped on or agitated and inject a relatively small amount of venom, if any at all. "Dry bites" involving no venom are particularly common with the copperhead, though all pit vipers are capable of a dry bite.

 

Although technically the antivenin CroFab could be used to treat an envenomation, it is usually not administered for copperheads, as the risk of complications of an allergic reaction to the treatment are greater than the risk from the snakebite itself in most cases. Pain management, antibiotics, and medical supervision in the case of complications is usually the course of action. In 2002 the Illinois poison control center report on the availability of antivenin, the report stated it used 1 Acp to 5 Acp depending on the symptoms and circumstances. The symptoms of a mild envenomation include swelling of the hand, mild cellulitis, and respiratory distress. The symptoms of a moderate envenomation would include swelling of the hand, vomiting, mild bleeding, ecchymosis, diaphoretic, sinus tachycardia, and hypotensive, where the most likely circumstance is the person bitten was collecting rocks.


 

Seriously, the venom from my snake is so weak that antibiotics are usually the most that you will need. Although we do have timber rattlers but even those have a weak venom and the first line of treatment is observation before crofab just in case there is not a significant envenomation from the bite.

 

Yeah, I can vouch for that. Most copperheads around here are so small that they would have difficulty even breaking skin if you were wearing clothes, so they aren't really a big deal. Although I would still go to the doctor, there is no reason to be in a huge hurry like you would if you got bitten by a diamond back where you might have only hours.

 

I hate snakes. 

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I caught more "cottonmouths"

I caught more "cottonmouths" by far. We call them water moccasins here. As for the suicidal tendencies remark that was probably not directed at me, this was back when I was 8-10. My method as I recall was to tempt them into striking at my foot and the moment after they did I would step on their head and grab the back of their "neck". I believe they may be a bit disoriented a moment after they strike. I was quite good at it (obviously) but I don't think I would use this method today, if I absolutely had to catch one I'd use a snake catching stick.

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I hate snakes. 

  I don't actually hate snakes myself.  I have a respect for them and the potential harm they can cause.  It's the same respect that I have toward motorcycles and firearms. 

 (  I do have a somewhat visceral reaction to spiders and scorpions, though.  Go figure. )

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ProzacDeathWish wrote:Beyond

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I hate snakes. 

  I don't actually hate snakes myself.  I have a respect for them and the potential harm they can cause.  It's the same respect that I have toward motorcycles and firearms. 

 (  I do have a somewhat visceral reaction to spiders and scorpions, though.  Go figure. )

 

I just find the damn things so dishonest. Hiding out in the weeds, or worse yet climbing trees and when they bite you, well in the US you are going to be fine but in some other countries one bite is a near death sentence and extremely painful. Not to mention the large number of non-venomous snakes that scare the shit out of you for no good reason when you are on high alert snake watch. At least rattlers will usually give you ample warning, so I don't hate them as much.  

I would much rather be charged by a large animal such as a big cat, bear or buffalo. You can see/hear them coming and perhaps do something about it. 

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I would much rather be charged by a large animal such as a big cat, bear or buffalo. You can see/hear them coming and perhaps do something about it. 

  Exactly.  At least the more highly evolved animals have the good manners to give you a heads up before they tear you pieces with their overwhelming size and strength.

                  

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    That's actually pretty interesting. Certainly not what one would expect a rabbit to do.

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I just find the damn things so dishonest. Hiding out in the weeds, or worse yet climbing trees and when they bite you, well in the US you are going to be fine but in some other countries one bite is a near death sentence and extremely painful. Not to mention the large number of non-venomous snakes that scare the shit out of you for no good reason when you are on high alert snake watch. At least rattlers will usually give you ample warning, so I don't hate them as much.

 

I would much rather be charged by a large animal such as a big cat, bear or buffalo. You can see/hear them coming and perhaps do something about it.

 

Can you say:

 

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Even the mildest snake bite will ruin your full weekend. You may not die but you will pretty much wish that you could if you get the full dose. And that is only for the snakes around where I am.

 

If you get bit by a Texas rattler, then you can die if you get the full dose.

 

Also, large mammals can trivially kill you if you don't respect them. Cougars are known to have taken people jogging and they will not be heard or any other sense activated ahead of time. In all honesty, for most North American predators, the best thing is to not even try to move. They tend to prefer targets that run away.

 

Also, it is really true that you should play dead for bears. If you can't kill it, then go face down with your hands locked behind your head. The bear will fuck you up but your back is the most durable part of your body. You will have protected your face.

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Also, it is really true that you should play dead for bears. If you can't kill it, then go face down with your hands locked behind your head. The bear will fuck you up but your back is the most durable part of your body. You will have protected your face.

 Speaking of protecting one's face do you remember that news story a short while back where a woman was attacked by her full grown male chimpanzee ( roughly 200 lbs ) and it completely destroyed her face and even her hands if I remember correctly.  Felt sorry for her.   I think she even made an appearance on Oprah.

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Also, it is really true that you should play dead for bears. If you can't kill it, then go face down with your hands locked behind your head. The bear will fuck you up but your back is the most durable part of your body. You will have protected your face.

 Speaking of protecting one's face do you remember that news story a short while back where a woman was attacked by her full grown male chimpanzee ( roughly 200 lbs ) and it completely destroyed her face and even her hands if I remember correctly.  Felt sorry for her.   I think she even made an appearance on Oprah.

They are one of the few other animals that usually go for "the face".

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Yes! It happened in Stamford CT. That is where I am posting from. You would have known that if you checked the color bar in my sig. That is my weather report for astronomy use.

 

I happen to be friends with the cops who did the job. They are kind of messed up from the deal.

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Yes! It happened in Stamford CT. That is where I am posting from. You would have known that if you checked the color bar in my sig. That is my weather report for astronomy use.

 

I happen to be friends with the cops who did the job. They are kind of messed up from the deal.

it looks like open office fucked up your image link... could be wrong, though.

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I wonder if pepper-spray

I wonder if pepper-spray works on snakes? I hate snakes. Found one in my kitchen drawer a few weeks ago.

I had to pull out the drawer because it was making a retreat towards the back of it and I wanted to catch it and be rid of it. Once I had it on the floor, I realized I had nothing to hold it with so, I ran out on the back porch and grabbed a pecan picker-upper (has a basket thing on the end of a pole that looks like a slinky) and that worked well at keeping him in place... then I grabbed a tupperware container from the counter and shoved him into it. My neighbor, who is opposed to killing snakes, took it away.

I used to kill them on sight when I saw one in the yard but, after my rodent problem in the barn last fall, I decided to leave them alone and hope they eat the rats... unless then come in my house - then it's sudden death.

 

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Sandycane wrote:I wonder if

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I wonder if pepper-spray works on snakes? I hate snakes. Found one in my kitchen drawer a few weeks ago.

I had to pull out the drawer because it was making a retreat towards the back of it and I wanted to catch it and be rid of it. Once I had it on the floor, I realized I had nothing to hold it with so, I ran out on the back porch and grabbed a pecan picker-upper (has a basket thing on the end of a pole that looks like a slinky) and that worked well at keeping him in place... then I grabbed a tupperware container from the counter and shoved him into it. My neighbor, who is opposed to killing snakes, took it away.

I used to kill them on sight when I saw one in the yard but, after my rodent problem in the barn last fall, I decided to leave them alone and hope they eat the rats... unless then come in my house - then it's sudden death.

 

Btw, beautiful cat photo!

Rats > Snakes

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cats> rats> snakes

cats> rats> snakes


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Can you say:

 

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Even the mildest snake bite will ruin your full weekend. You may not die but you will pretty much wish that you could if you get the full dose. And that is only for the snakes around where I am.

 

If you get bit by a Texas rattler, then you can die if you get the full dose.

 

Also, large mammals can trivially kill you if you don't respect them. Cougars are known to have taken people jogging and they will not be heard or any other sense activated ahead of time. In all honesty, for most North American predators, the best thing is to not even try to move. They tend to prefer targets that run away.

 

Also, it is really true that you should play dead for bears. If you can't kill it, then go face down with your hands locked behind your head. The bear will fuck you up but your back is the most durable part of your body. You will have protected your face.

 

I'm confused AIGS, were you disagreeing with me? Maybe Brian messed up my reading comprehension with that other thread... I know being bitten by a snake sucks, that is why I hate them. I am also quite aware of the dangers of large mammals as I have hunted for them and around them and had a few very close encounters.  

 

Now the playing dead for bears thing I have to slightly disagree. As someone who hunts in serious bear country, I read every account of bear attacks I can get my hands on to find out how people survived so that I can form my own plan. I consider it a very real possibility that someday I will be attacked by a large mammal, I simply spend a much larger amount of time around them than average.

 

Of the accounts I have read, sometimes people did play dead, in others they fought. The problem is that we don't know what the people who died did. It is kind of hard to have any real picture of what works and what doesn't when you only get the success stories, but the failure stories are non-existent. We don't even know how many people are killed by bears because in bear country many people are simply reported as "missing" and are never found. Certainly, many might die of environmental causes but it is reasonable to believe that some of those people are never found because they are consumed in their entirety.

 

I have come to the conclusion that whether or not playing dead works depends on the bears intentions. If the bear is attacking simply because it feels cornered or is protecting its young, playing dead might be the best way to go, since the bear will hopefully decide you are not a threat and walk away. Of course, playing dead is hard. You have to avoid squirming while a claw or a tooth is tearing into your flesh, a rather admirable feat that you should get an academy award for pulling off.

 

On the other hand, if the bear is hungry and intends on eating you, playing dead isn't going to work. I have seen a bear eat dead Caribou, it didn't care that the Caribou was dead as it sat down to enjoy a meal. I have read accounts of bear attacks where the bear literally started eating the person while they were playing dead. So by playing dead, you are taking a gamble on how hungry the bear is.

 

Personally, I have decided I would fight, it is more consistent with my instincts and I am not a good actor. I always carry a backup gun in bear country as well as a sturdy buck knife. Hopefully, the bear will be severely wounded by the gun. Granted, if it comes down to the knife, I am in serious trouble, but I think eviscerating is a better gamble when the bear is on top of you and starts to bite your legs or an arm.    

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   On the other hand, if the bear is hungry and intends on eating you, playing dead isn't going to work. I have seen a bear eat dead Caribou, it didn't care that the Caribou was dead as it sat down to enjoy a meal. I have read accounts of bear attacks where the bear literally started eating the person while they were playing dead. So by playing dead, you are taking a gamble on how hungry the bear is.

 

 

 

  You beat me to it.  I was just going to mention that bears will eat carrion.  Not everything on the bear's menu necessarily must be alive or even moving to count as a potential meal.

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cats> rats> snakes

Not if I get one of these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6Teurmfz1I

 

 

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cats> rats> snakes

Not if I get one of these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6Teurmfz1I

 

 

   I love to see stuff like that.  It makes not hate humans as much. 

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