God is perfect???

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God is perfect???

 

So..... they'd like to convince everyone to embrace god?

 

"I believe that God is the author and creator of all life, and he has no obligation to prolong anyone's life.

If God wanted to strike me dead right now, that's perfectly within his prerogative."  Christian apologist Dr. William Lane Craig

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIBZu0PpHD0&feature=autoplay&list=PLC34CF609D7F22AD6&index=15&playnext=15

 

I keep asking myself " Are they just playin' stupid, or are they just plain stupid?..."

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 So it is ok to abort if

 So it is ok to abort if the baby is known to have disabilities? I don't think that would fly well with most prolifers. 

 

I don't understand the view that god is so merciful because he doesn't kill us all. I was having this argument with my brother (a born again fundy missionary) and he said within the same breath that god was a loving god, but he was surprised that god hasn't wiped us all out. His evidence that god is "loving" is that god allows us to live..... huh???? Let me try that on the next woman I meet "I love you so much, I'm not going to kill you. Now worship me." I might have some luck in the S & M scene. Maybe all fundies are secretly masochists? 

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redneF wrote: "I believe

redneF wrote:

 

"I believe that God is the author and creator of all life, and he has no obligation to prolong anyone's life.

If God wanted to strike me dead right now, that's perfectly within his prerogative."  Christian apologist Dr. William Lane Craig

 

So this also means that if God decided to change his mind and let only atheists into heaven and to send all theists to hell, it is within his prerogative. So why bother trying to believe? This god of his own prerogative does whatever the fuck he feels like doing at any moment, he has no moral code to restrain himself. If believers don't think he would be fair to send them to hell and us to heaven, tough shit.

 

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I like this post because it

I like this post because it highlights what I deem to be a fatal flaw in most religions.  Specifically Christianity.  Pre-destination is a characteristic that goes hand in hand with their belief in "Gods" master plan.  If the end (if there is one) has allready been decided and put in motion, then what that man mentioned about God "wanting" to strike him dead implies that there is, or was a decision to end his life, as if God suddenly changed his mind about his "plan"  It contradicts the "master plan".  There is no "if" when everything is allready  happening according to plan.  Does he imply that God takes time outs to re-evaluate his own plan???  If so, then he is not perfect.  It makes prayer null and void, because, what is the point?  God's plan is allready in motion, him being "perfect" and all, why would he like to be 2nd guessed, and persuaded by his followers to change his master plan of the universe on the behalf of those who believe in him???  This kind of catch 22 belief is complete lunacy.  I don't remember reading the bible and seeing a portion about "amendments to God's master plan."

 

This guy can't say if God wanted him dead or not, according to his own belief system, God wanted him alive at this moment when he created the Universe however long ago....everything being decided ahead of time and all....Pre-destination would have God as a spectator to the play he has allready written the end to...not taking time outs to decide on whether or not to spite this idiot. 

These kinds of people readily admit that God knows all, past, present, and future, and insult him by praying for their own selfish desires like it's gonna change anything...and, by believing this way, he allready knows who will go to heaven and go to hell, rendering judgement after death unecessary......It takes the free will given to Adam and Eve and shits on it. That why I love these assclowns who have "only god can judge me" tattoed on their bodies, a public display of ignorance..

If God is perfect, that would mean that his plan is perfect, and if his plan is perfect, then nothing we do, say, believe or pray for will make any difference anyways, so religion itself, prayer and morality have no effect on the outcome in the first place.....

Doesn't sound perfect at all.  It sounds very, very fallible and human. 

Religion and God according to Christian beliefs, just disproved itself, or at least the need for it, for that matter.

 

thanks,

 

Mr. O

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Entropy alone is enough

Entropy alone is enough evidence to blow away any claim of "perfection"

Dawkins has blamed Plato for his quest for perfection and it's subsequent meme spreading down through history. While I don't like cherry picking history to explain human evolution, and the flawed claims as a result, I do think this was a key claim on Plato's part that caused a shitload of damage in human thought history.

We are a product of a what, not a who, not anything "perfect". And most certainly we are not a product of something with a magic wand.

In order to get humanity's head out of it's ass, the best thing we can foster is to challenge absolute answers to human problems when it comes to politics and religion.

As far as "God" is concerned as a claim, it has to be the worst mind scam people fall for. I cannot buy into a "perfect" being who has given us such a crappy home with natural disasters, disease, crime and war, with no point in our elvolution where these horrible things have not affected us, and then blames us for the game he didn't have to set up in the first place.

The only context the "God" claim makes sense is the human flaw of gap filling in our mundane and far to often reality of placing this fictional being in where answers lack.

We sex up reality because it gives us a false sense of comfort. We would rather have a bad answer than no answer.

 

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No one in higher theological

No one in higher theological circles takes Craig very seriously. He is a popularist. His arguments are dependent on people like Plantinga who will admit that the OA's are not proof.

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TGBaker wrote:No one in

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No one in higher theological circles takes Craig very seriously.

That's not who I'm worried about.

 

It's the 'sheeple', that worry me. They then think they're *cough* 'smart', after listening to him, and get all cocky and sh1t, and want to get into schools with their 'new fangly dangly' 'learnin's'...

I keep asking myself " Are they just playin' stupid, or are they just plain stupid?..."

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 God is perfect - a perfect

 God is perfect - a perfect example of the ability of humans to get totally deluded and entranced by totally imaginary beings.

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redneF wrote:TGBaker

redneF wrote:

TGBaker wrote:

No one in higher theological circles takes Craig very seriously.

That's not who I'm worried about.

 

It's the 'sheeple', that worry me. They then think they're *cough* 'smart', after listening to him, and get all cocky and sh1t, and want to get into schools with their 'new fangly dangly' 'learnin's'...

I think that is what creates popularists like C.S. Lewis or Craig.  You have to short circuit their appeal with the sheeple by showing what wool has been pulled over their eyes. You show em the shears ( where these popularists get their info and how they use it out of context and change it ). I never thought about it but atheistic activism is frackin' hard work.


 

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