a blue movie that Sandy would laugh over. It's old - 70s - a series of sensual scenarios with wah wah guitars and one camera. In one particular scene he's trimming the hedge in blazing sun wearing a pair of scoop shorts and no shirt. She brings lemonade, he wipes off her sweat moustache, they collapse to the ground. Later as tempo of the music increases, they go into the kitchen and start shagging on the table. The one camera is in a distant corner of the kitchen, the figures indistinct. At the moment of truth the table collapses. Both the actors and the camera man roll on the floor in laughter. 

Another one she might giggle over is from 1980. It's called Private Teacher. A lad of 16 (he's obviously about 25) lives over the road from two air hostesses who cavort naked replete with spectacular muffs and cocaine eyes. His bedroom affords a panoramic view of these proceedings. But his guardian aunt can't understand why he refuses to leave his bedroom for days at a time and eventually calls in a tutor to lure him back to reality. The script is abominable, the acting has the comedic timing of accident. At one point, early in the show, as Jimmy reaches a pinnacle of delight over the hostesses mutual caresses and his aunt fumes over the cooling dinner, she shouts down the hall: "Jimmy! Are you coming!"

 Sandycane, the point is that a movie can be sexually explicit and still be good.

Sure 9 songs has a poor story but it has great acting and great intimacy scenes. The movie is all about couple intimacy and sexuality. In it's genre this movie is art, unlike any other porn movie, which are empty.

For example, other erotic movies like Emmanuelle or Empire of the Senses focus on intimacy and are great movies too. We have to distinguish art from porn.

Bolero is an interesting American movie

I never saw "original Sin" but I usually don't like erotic American movies. Too many cliches. Also I don't like Angelina Jolie.

Explicit sexual acting is as natural as kissing. But only an artist can make it tasteful.

Since the beginning of the century new movies with unsimulated sex are trying to get into mainstream cinema. None is American... I think. link

 

Brian, you have my respect. I like honesty! And you seem an honest guy! Of course finding other tits or asses hot is not love! You seem a brave and adult man. But man, she has a point, I've seen this happen a lot: inticing other people jelosy can make miracles, game playing works often. Although I'm like you, I can't do that, I think it's wrong and

 

This thread is off sideways now but I don't think most guys are into the gyno-cam films you don't like, Sandy.

The sad, industrial-style modern porn with its macro cinematography and modular layout of events (they go down on each other one after another, he huffs away in each possible location like Stephenson's Rocket while she rolls heavily made-up eyes at the camera and encourages with overenthusiastic yowls before being used for target practice), is by no means representative of the sorts of things normal blokes crave to do. 

Give me a blanket under a tree on a soft afternoon and face-to-face with eyelid kissing any day.

First I want to say this thread has been awesome. It's like a counciling session almost. I never did understand how my mom could hate all men when they do have logical insight. Reading what all the men on here said kinda puts things into perspective. Oh and good luck with your girl! Sometimes it just takes patience and it works better that way anyway. If you jump into something without totally understanding your own feelings about the relationship, it usually never works. Give her some time and be yourself. Don't pretend to be someone you're not and maybe she'll come around and maybe she won't. If not, there's plenty of fish in the sea

Teralek wrote:

This is a very complicated girl...

 

Which one isn't?

Teralek wrote:

 Nialler

What if a person doesn't want to eat because he/she thinks eating is wrong. I keep insisting that this person must eat because it is getting sick.

This person has the urge to eat sometimes, and still rejects it. I try to reason that the food is good for health... but to no avail, this is a stubborn person

I have to use this analogy... but it applies the situation

Don't judge without knowing, or mind your own Business...

While the reply from Nailler was pretty harsh, I have to admit it made sense. I think you should read it again and give it some serious thought. Maybe this girl does just like you as a friend and you should leave well enough alone...

As for your analogy, maybe this person does eat - just not the kind of food you have to offer.

Teralek wrote:

 Nialler

What if a person doesn't want to eat because he/she thinks eating is wrong. I keep insisting that this person must eat because it is getting sick.

This person has the urge to eat sometimes, and still rejects it. I try to reason that the food is good for health... but to no avail, this is a stubborn person

I have to use this analogy... but it applies the situation

Don't judge without knowing, or mind your own Business...

Well, that's serious. When I was a kid I didn't want to eat almost anything, I wasn't in a mood for it. I was in a mood to lie down in dark, sleep and die. And I almost did, thanks to malnutrition and severe anemia. (for no reason at all besides astrologic influences)

Here I have a sound advice:

Emergency Handbook: What to Do When a Friend Loves Woo

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4187

No matter what nonsense she has, you can't become an overt enemy of it, or you'll become her enemy. People identify with their beliefs, it's hard to shoot down a hijacker without hitting the hostage.

Is something wrong with me, because i think monogamy is ok ?

I personally cannot stomach the idea of my chick fucking another guy( she had a ex who did it already lol) not with all these fucking std's out there

In a STD free society i probably would agree with polygamy but not in this age lol.

Is it wrong because i believe in monogamy ?

Come on Teralek, updates!
 

There is really not much to tell... You know what; along all these years I've changed as a person, and she keeps on being that teenage girl I met. I thought she was different now... but no...

This frustrates me as her friend... she still has those outdated and naive ideas about sexuality, about life. Even if she doesn't want me she should choose someone and be happy!...

I've never saw such a sensitive, fragil, modest girl. She's haunted by so many ghosts, so many intolerances about herself no wonder she has a hard time living.

but, that sounds like a bunch of male chauvinistic hog wash.

Women don't (or rather shouldn't) need a man to tell her how valuable or, beautiful she is. A feeling of self worth must originate from within and not be dependant on what others say or think about you. Complimenting another is just a nice thing to do but, no amount of flattery will cure low self esteem.

Is something wrong with me, because i think monogamy is ok ?

I personally cannot stomach the idea of my chick fucking another guy( she had a ex who did it already lol) not with all these fucking std's out there

In a STD free society i probably would agree with polygamy but not in this age lol.

Is it wrong because i believe in monogamy ?

Teralek wrote:

There is really not much to tell... You know what; along all these years I've changed as a person, and she keeps on being that teenage girl I met. I thought she was different now... but no...

This frustrates me as her friend... she still has those outdated and naive ideas about sexuality, about life. Even if she doesn't want me she should choose someone and be happy!...

I've never saw such a sensitive, fragil, modest girl. She's haunted by so many ghosts, so many intolerances about herself no wonder she has a hard time living.

There is a secret about women that my dad told me. My dad is a master psychologist when it comes to his clients. Women of all ages adore him. So he should be right about that. All women, specially in modern ages of today have a secret problem with self-value. They need to represent a value, a beauty, but they're afraid that they don't. Pretty women are no exception, they too may have these issues. Some potentially pretty women neglect their looks, because they think they have no beauty to show.

They need men for one important thing, and that is to tell them what is beautiful about them. To reassure them of their positive qualities, again and again, no matter how often. Of course, you must always tell only truth and you must tell it very seriously, so they will believe you. They often disbelieve in their positive qualities, so you have to convince the women.

This is of course something that you will not tell random women on street. You need an acquaintance at least, for example if you work alongside each other or attend a small group for lectures together. If you know there a woman with beautiful hair, or lovely color of eyes, then tell her. Without any demands or expectations, just sincerely tell her what you see and like. I guess it can't do anything wrong when you try it.

The girl that moved to you seems to have these self-value issues more than others. She needs to get some big ego, so that she will value herself more than the stupid fears and rules. In your place I'd be VERY careful with criticism, but instead I'd put emphasis on appreciating her and encouraging her.

Christ, I've never read such patronising and mysogynist crap in my life.

Dude, your father is wrong. There are no secrets about women. They're the same as us. I don't know how he gets off on peddling this crap to you, but hey, go ahead and try out his theories in the real world.

You know what else? I think the type of woman a man has a relationship with says an awful lot about the kind of man he is. It takes a strong man to respect and appreciate a strong woman.

Nialler wrote:

Christ, I've never read such patronising and mysogynist crap in my life.

Dude, your father is wrong. There are no secrets about women. They're the same as us. I don't know how he gets off on peddling this crap to you, but hey, go ahead and try out his theories in the real world.

My dad is happily married for 25 years. He works with people a lot, specially at his astrologic courses. Some female clients of his were quite positively transformed thanks to his advice into beautiful and self-confident women, I guess that's why they came for consultation. Hell, I practically live in self development club run by my parents. The kind of people that come for consultation need that type of advice we provide.

 

 

Nialler wrote:

"astrologic courses"? Do you not think that they type of people who would present themselves for such a course are somewhat impressionable and already amenable to accepting rubbish?

Me thinks that as sample groups go, if you wished to find a group of suggestible and below-average intelligence people, an astrology course would be a good place to start.

Becoming good at astrology is much more diffcult than becoming good at chess, it requires some intelligence. There are no simple chess figures, there are archetypes, models of behavior, areas of life and aspects between all these. Average skeptic has no idea how complex the astrology is.

Nialler wrote:

"astrologic courses"? Do you not think that they type of people who would present themselves for such a course are somewhat impressionable and already amenable to accepting rubbish?

Me thinks that as sample groups go, if you wished to find a group of suggestible and below-average intelligence people, an astrology course would be a good place to start.

Becoming good at astrology is much more diffcult than becoming good at chess, it requires some intelligence. There are no simple chess figures, there are archetypes, models of behavior, areas of life and aspects between all these. Average skeptic has no idea how complex the astrology is.