The Best Martyr on Earth

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The Best Martyr on Earth

I want to be best martyr on Earth, says man accused of planning terror attack

  • From: Herald Sun
  • September 14, 2010 12:00AM
   

A MAN accused of plotting a terrorist attack on an army base in Australia said he wanted to be the best martyr on Earth, a Victorian jury has heard.

Prosecutor Nick Robinson, SC, said Wissam Mahmoud Fattal, 33, repeatedly asked his parents to pray for him because he wanted to die for Allah's cause.

The jury heard transcripts of intercepted calls in which Mr Fattal says he would be rewarded in paradise if he sacrificed his life for Islam.

"I am trusting my cause to Allah, God the Almighty," he allegedly said.

Mr Fattal tells his father he wants to be: "The best one on Earth, the best martyr on Earth. The one who is killed by the false messenger.

"Later you will hear good news about me."

Mr Robinson said the "good news" was to be that their son had died a martyr.

Mr Fattal also complained of the Australian army's involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan.

He said: "If I find a way to kill the army, I'm gonna do it."

The Supreme Court heard Mr Fattal and four other Melbourne men planned an attack on the Holsworthy army base outside Sydney.

They allegedly planned to kill as many soldiers as possible before they were either killed or overwhelmed.

Holsworthy was guarded by unarmed, contracted security personnel.

On trial are Saney Edow Aweys, 26, of Carlton North, Yacqub Khayre, 22, of Meadow Heights, Abdirahman Mohamud Ahmed, 25, of Preston, Wissam Mahmoud Fattal, 33, of Melbourne, and Nayef El Sayed, 25 of Glenroy.

They have all pleaded not guilty to conspiring with each other and people unknown between February 1 and August 4 last year to do acts in preparation for, or planning a terrorist act or acts.

Mr Robinson said the men believed Islam was under attack from the West and that Australians and the Australian Government were oppressing innocent Muslims in Afghanistan.

The court heard when local clerics refused to provide a fatwa, or religious decree, to permit the plan, Mr Khayre went to Somalia to get one.

Mr Robinson told the jury Mr Aweys said the Black Saturday bushfires were Allah's punishment for Australians.

Mr Aweys told a man in Somalia the bushfires were divine intervention, during a secretly recorded phone call in March last year.

Mr Robinson read from a transcript in which Mr Aweys said an Islamic cleric had been sentenced in Melbourne to 15 years in jail on terrorist charges and the Muslim community was upset.

"The next day fires broke out in the whole country. Allah bring them calamity," Mr Awey said.

The trial continues.



Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/i-want-to-be-best-marty-on-earthr/story-e6frfkvr-1225921728077#ixzz0zRnVwG5W

 

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This must be our fourth or maybe fifth

 

Failed attempt in 5 years. Sooner or later one of these nutsacks will get their wish.

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It really just goes to show

It really just goes to show how conspiracies are bullshit; it's more or less impossible for most of them not to get caught.  In theory, people may think it's a breeze, but Murphy's law has something to say about anything like that put into practice.

Only the profound incompetence and arrogance of our national intelligence leading up to 9-11 allowed that to go off without a hitch; they're a touch more organized now, knowing that the terrorists can hit the U.S. if we completely ignore all of the clues.  They're even focusing on home-grown terrorists now, somewhat preemptively (they only let a little get by before they started to act)- that might be progress?


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Blake wrote:It really just

Blake wrote:

It really just goes to show how conspiracies are bullshit; it's more or less impossible for most of them not to get caught.  In theory, people may think it's a breeze, but Murphy's law has something to say about anything like that put into practice.

Only the profound incompetence and arrogance of our national intelligence leading up to 9-11 allowed that to go off without a hitch; they're a touch more organized now, knowing that the terrorists can hit the U.S. if we completely ignore all of the clues.  They're even focusing on home-grown terrorists now, somewhat preemptively (they only let a little get by before they started to act)- that might be progress?

I dunno, I think most of these people get caught during the phase where they pump themselves up.  If someone wants to go to Google, figure out how to make a car bomb with household materials, go to a few separate supermarkets and get them, put it together on a weekend and drive your car into a political rally...well, you can do that.

If you live in the U.S. or someplace where you can easily get guns, all you have to do is look up guns in the local newspaper or something, go to some guys house and get one, then shoot up whomever you want to shoot up.

Or just get a bunch of gasoline and some chains, seal a building and light it on fire.

Or...etc.

 

I'm shocked homegrown terrorism isn't rampant.  We don't have any protections in place against the 'easy' stuff.  I honestly thing there just aren't many people inside western countries who are willing to go through with it.

I mean come on, who doesn't know governments monitor phone conversations???

Everything makes more sense now that I've stopped believing.


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From the accuracy of

From the accuracy of historic accounts I would have to say that the biggest martyr in historic was Gandhi. But if Jesus existed as I believe he did, the magnitude of his changes in the World where bigger than Gandhi.

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It is ridiculous how they

It is ridiculous how they claim they are making this big sacrifice and then in the next sentence claim the they will instantly be transported to paradise for their sacrifice. Wouldn't one need to be an atheist to be a martyr?

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This is a good point

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It is ridiculous how they claim they are making this big sacrifice and then in the next sentence claim the they will instantly be transported to paradise for their sacrifice. Wouldn't one need to be an atheist to be a martyr?

 

You can't be rewarded for being a martyr - you have to lose out completely.

 

 

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mellestad wrote:Blake

mellestad wrote:

Blake wrote:

It really just goes to show how conspiracies are bullshit; it's more or less impossible for most of them not to get caught.  In theory, people may think it's a breeze, but Murphy's law has something to say about anything like that put into practice.

Only the profound incompetence and arrogance of our national intelligence leading up to 9-11 allowed that to go off without a hitch; they're a touch more organized now, knowing that the terrorists can hit the U.S. if we completely ignore all of the clues.  They're even focusing on home-grown terrorists now, somewhat preemptively (they only let a little get by before they started to act)- that might be progress?

I dunno, I think most of these people get caught during the phase where they pump themselves up.  If someone wants to go to Google, figure out how to make a car bomb with household materials, go to a few separate supermarkets and get them, put it together on a weekend and drive your car into a political rally...well, you can do that.

If you live in the U.S. or someplace where you can easily get guns, all you have to do is look up guns in the local newspaper or something, go to some guys house and get one, then shoot up whomever you want to shoot up.

Or just get a bunch of gasoline and some chains, seal a building and light it on fire.

Or...etc.

 

I'm shocked homegrown terrorism isn't rampant.  We don't have any protections in place against the 'easy' stuff.  I honestly thing there just aren't many people inside western countries who are willing to go through with it.

I mean come on, who doesn't know governments monitor phone conversations???

 

Hell, that post probably has the FBI monitoring me.  http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/10/fbi-tracking-device/

Everything makes more sense now that I've stopped believing.


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Yeah

 

 

How sensitive to stuff like this is the monitoring system? Do the spooks just listen to specific IP addresses or if you include the president's name and certain other words, does big brother swing into action?

I wonder how pervasive that all is.

 

 

 

 

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Atheistextremist

Atheistextremist wrote:

 

Failed attempt in 5 years. Sooner or later one of these nutsacks will get their wish.

 

This may sound horrible, but I look forward to the day when we can genetically screen people for the gene that causes them to be religious, and then completely phase nutjobs like this out using simple eugenics. I hate the concept of gattica, except when you think of how you could genetically phase out all religiosity in one generation simply by improving critical thinking and reasoning skills of children.


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You didn't hear it from me...

Atheistextremist wrote:
How sensitive to stuff like this is the monitoring system? Do the spooks just listen to specific IP addresses or if you include the president's name and certain other words, does big brother swing into action?

I wonder how pervasive that all is.

In the states (and likely anywhere instant communication is used in the world), ALL OF IT is recorded and kept at a database at NSA HQ. If it includes certain key phrases or words, it makes it straight to Langley, VI. This stuff stored by NSA includes everything from simple e-mail to pictures posted at Flickr,  people talking on TV, Radio, Phone calls,  phone texts, and what have you.

The only thing that CAN'T get in gov't hands is stuff talked about in person, and written material exchanged in person. If you talk to someone in person, they shouldn't be under an active warrant. If it's written, don't even think to go to the shredder, no white-out, no marker ink -  just burn it.

But the only reason you'd (rationally) want to do either of those things is if you were an actual threat- and most of you posting at RRS are not. Not even drug and kiddy porn peddlers are a threat- the people at the top of the cartels and pedophile rings are, however.

The only two RRS'ers who may be an exception to this general rule are Paisley and A_nony. Paisley, because s/he has ties to Aum Shinrikyo, and A_nony- because who knows who he's in touch with IRL.

Most of you have little or nothing to worry about.

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Lucifer_theFallen wrote:

Atheistextremist wrote:

 

Failed attempt in 5 years. Sooner or later one of these nutsacks will get their wish.

 

This may sound horrible, but I look forward to the day when we can genetically screen people for the gene that causes them to be religious, and then completely phase nutjobs like this out using simple eugenics. I hate the concept of gattica, except when you think of how you could genetically phase out all religiosity in one generation simply by improving critical thinking and reasoning skills of children.

No, not really. It makes more sense than you could know.

“A meritocratic society is one in which inequalities of wealth and social position solely reflect the unequal distribution of merit or skills amongst human beings, or are based upon factors beyond human control, for example luck or chance. Such a society is socially just because individuals are judged not by their gender, the colour of their skin or their religion, but according to their talents and willingness to work, or on what Martin Luther King called 'the content of their character'. By extension, social equality is unjust because it treats unequal individuals equally.” "Political Ideologies" by Andrew Heywood (2003)


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Trouble is tho' guys

 

It must pay to think in black and white. There are way more of them than there are of us...

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