James Lee takes hostages at Discovery Channel. (Hopes to save the Planet)

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James Lee takes hostages at Discovery Channel. (Hopes to save the Planet)

I'm on my way to work, but I just read the letter from the man who went into the Discovery Channel building today and I can't help but agree with the core of what I'm reading.  If nobody gets hurt and this man ends up spending time in jail over this, I can't help but think someone could view his actions as heroic.  I'm already running late, but I was hoping to be able to read comments from the atheist community when I returned home.  Here are the important facts:

The demand letter from James Lee:

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The Discovery Channel MUST broadcast to the world their commitment to save the planet and to do the following IMMEDIATELY:

1. The Discovery Channel and it’s affiliate channels MUST have daily television programs at prime time slots based on Daniel Quinn’s “My Ishmael” pages 207-212 where solutions to save the planet would be done in the same way as the Industrial Revolution was done, by people building on each other’s inventive ideas. Focus must be given on how people can live WITHOUT giving birth to more filthy human children since those new additions continue pollution and are pollution. A game show format contest would be in order. Perhaps also forums of leading scientists who understand and agree with the Malthus-Darwin science and the problem of human overpopulation. Do both. Do all until something WORKS and the natural world starts improving and human civilization building STOPS and is reversed! MAKE IT INTERESTING SO PEOPLE WATCH AND APPLY SOLUTIONS!!!!

2. All programs on Discovery Health-TLC must stop encouraging the birth of any more parasitic human infants and the false heroics behind those actions. In those programs’ places, programs encouraging human sterilization and infertility must be pushed. All former pro-birth programs must now push in the direction of stopping human birth, not encouraging it.

3. All programs promoting War and the technology behind those must cease. There is no sense in advertising weapons of mass-destruction anymore. Instead, talk about ways to disassemble civilization and concentrate the message in finding SOLUTIONS to solving global military mechanized conflict. Again, solutions solutions instead of just repeating the same old wars with newer weapons. Also, keep out the fraudulent peace movements. They are liars and fakes and had no real intention of ending the wars. ALL OF THEM ARE FAKE! On one hand, they claim they want the wars to end, on the other, they are demanding the human population increase. World War II had 2 Billion humans and after that war, the people decided that tripling the population would assure peace. WTF??? STUPIDITY! MORE HUMANS EQUALS MORE WAR!

4. Civilization must be exposed for the filth it is. That, and all its disgusting religious-cultural roots and greed. Broadcast this message until the pollution in the planet is reversed and the human population goes down! This is your obligation. If you think it isn’t, then get hell off the planet! Breathe Oil! It is the moral obligation of everyone living otherwise what good are they??

5. Immigration: Programs must be developed to find solutions to stopping ALL immigration pollution and the anchor baby filth that follows that. Find solutions to stopping it. Call for people in the world to develop solutions to stop it completely and permanently. Find solutions FOR these countries so they stop sending their breeding populations to the US and the world to seek jobs and therefore breed more unwanted pollution babies. FIND SOLUTIONS FOR THEM TO STOP THEIR HUMAN GROWTH AND THE EXPORTATION OF THAT DISGUSTING FILTH! (The first world is feeding the population growth of the Third World and those human families are going to where the food is! They must stop procreating new humans looking for nonexistant jobs!)

6. Find solutions for Global Warming, Automotive pollution, International Trade, factory pollution, and the whole blasted human economy. Find ways so that people don’t build more housing pollution which destroys the environment to make way for more human filth! Find solutions so that people stop breeding as well as stopping using Oil in order to REVERSE Global warming and the destruction of the planet!

7. Develop shows that mention the Malthusian sciences about how food production leads to the overpopulation of the Human race. Talk about Evolution. Talk about Malthus and Darwin until it sinks into the stupid people’s brains until they get it!!

8. Saving the Planet means saving what’s left of the non-human Wildlife by decreasing the Human population. That means stopping the human race from breeding any more disgusting human babies! You’re the media, you can reach enough people. It’s your resposibility because you reach so many minds!!!

9. Develop shows that will correct and dismantle the dangerous US world economy. Find solutions for their disasterous Ponzi-Casino economy before they take the world to another nuclear war.

10. Stop all shows glorifying human birthing on all your channels and on TLC. Stop Future Weapons shows or replace the dialogue condemning the people behind these developments so that the shows become exposes rather than advertisements of Arms sales and development!

11. You’re also going to find solutions for unemployment and housing. All these unemployed people makes me think the US is headed toward more war.

Humans are the most destructive, filthy, pollutive creatures around and are wrecking what’s left of the planet with their false morals and breeding culture.

For every human born, ACRES of wildlife forests must be turned into farmland in order to feed that new addition over the course of 60 to 100 YEARS of that new human’s lifespan! THIS IS AT THE EXPENSE OF THE FOREST CREATURES!!!! All human procreation and farming must cease!

It is the responsiblity of everyone to preserve the planet they live on by not breeding any more children who will continue their filthy practices. Children represent FUTURE catastrophic pollution whereas their parents are current pollution. NO MORE BABIES! Population growth is a real crisis. Even one child born in the US will use 30 to a thousand times more resources than a Third World child. It’s like a couple are having 30 babies even though it’s just one! If the US goes in this direction maybe other countries will too!

Also, war must be halted. Not because it’s morally wrong, but because of the catastrophic environmental damage modern weapons cause to other creatures. FIND SOLUTIONS JUST LIKE THE BOOK SAYS! Humans are supposed to be inventive. INVENT, DAMN YOU!!

The world needs TV shows that DEVELOP solutions to the problems that humans are causing, not stupify the people into destroying the world. Not encouraging them to breed more environmentally harmful humans.

Saving the environment and the remaning species diversity of the planet is now your mindset. Nothing is more important than saving them. The Lions, Tigers, Giraffes, Elephants, Froggies, Turtles, Apes, Raccoons, Beetles, Ants, Sharks, Bears, and, of course, the Squirrels.

The humans? The planet does not need humans.

You MUST KNOW the human population is behind all the pollution and problems in the world, and YET you encourage the exact opposite instead of discouraging human growth and procreation. Surely you MUST ALREADY KNOW this!

I want Discovery Communications to broadcast on their channels to the world their new program lineup and I want proof they are doing so. I want the new shows started by asking the public for inventive solution ideas to save the planet and the remaining wildlife on it.

 

These are the demands and sayings of Lee.

 Another link:http://www.mediaite.com/online/who-is-james-lee-could-he-be-the-assailant-at-discovery-channel-hostage-situation/James Lee myspace page: http://www.myspace.com/worldguardian   (lay-up for Jon Stewart)  Your thoughts?

 

 

 

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 Interesting.He says that

 Interesting.

He says that the planet doesn't need humans and he doesn't approve of the fastest way to get rid of a massive quantity of them (war).

If we could find a more planet friendly way to do it I'd wager he'd be for a full on death fest.

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He's no hero.  The fact

He's no hero.  The fact that he is using force and threats of force to advance his cause for reasons other than self-defense renders him ineligible to legitimately say a single fucking thing about what anyone else's moral obligations might be.

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crazy is as crazy does

Maybe change the headline to James Lee with new info.

Agent Smith said it best, "There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet."

that having been said, this guy is just crazy.  He's recognized the failings of his fellow humans and spun himself off the deep end trying to fix what he can't fix.

Let us pray, "God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference."

Right... there is no god, but it's still sage wisdom that James should have taken to heart before taking hostages.  The premise (humans have serious serious issues) is sound, but the solution (I should blow up the Discovery Channel) is wacko.

 

 


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 Wow, he sure hates kids.

 Wow, he sure hates kids. Maybe he just needs to get laid.

 

 

 

 

 

edit- Why is the dumbass attacking Discovery anyway? It seems to me if he did the same thing to Fox he would probably get a Discovery show right from his jail cell. Stupid greenies.


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Beyond Saving wrote: Wow,

Beyond Saving wrote:

 Wow, he sure hates kids. Maybe he just needs to get laid.

 

 

 

 

 

edit- Why is the dumbass attacking Discovery anyway? It seems to me if he did the same thing to Fox he would probably get a Discovery show right from his jail cell. Stupid greenies.

Then one of the "Gawd and guns" tea party folk that Fox loves would've shot him.

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nuts

This guy is nuts. He actually repeats himself a few times. I can agree with him on a few things such as showing more shows which promote science and less shows which glorify war. This guy's hatred of humanity is down-right Christian. We are all evil sinners, humanity is inherently evil, blah, blah, blah.
 


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jcgadfly wrote:Beyond Saving

jcgadfly wrote:

Beyond Saving wrote:

 Wow, he sure hates kids. Maybe he just needs to get laid.

 

 

 

 

 

edit- Why is the dumbass attacking Discovery anyway? It seems to me if he did the same thing to Fox he would probably get a Discovery show right from his jail cell. Stupid greenies.

Then one of the "Gawd and guns" tea party folk that Fox loves would've shot him.

 

lol true a .40 cal can really help in situations like this.


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I'm not sure why he thinks

I'm not sure why he thinks the Discovery Channel has any interest in promoting anything other than increased cash flow...that and the use of words like filth over and over makes me think he is mentally ill.

 

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Brian, while we can agree

Brian, while we can agree with the sentiment of getting angry at the world, the unannounced shock of weapons in your face when you are not expecting to be on a battlefield and are merely at your work place is going to cause extreme emotional trauma to the workers there. I doubt you'd get those people to agree that what he did makes sense.

I know if someone showed up to my workplace with weapons and I had done nothing to them personally, not only would I be scared shitless at possibly losing my life, I would be angry at them as well.

There are 6 billion people on this planet and there is already enough violence amongst humans. I think the one place all of us would like to feel safe at is our place of work. I think those workers at that network would feel the same.

People who do this type of thing are not leading a cause, something in their life was lacking and this was their way of cheaply making a name for themselves.

 

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NoDeity wrote:He's no

NoDeity wrote:

He's no hero.  The fact that he is using force and threats of force to advance his cause for reasons other than self-defense renders him ineligible to legitimately say a single fucking thing about what anyone else's moral obligations might be.

 

WTF? Hero's do all that, all the time! ;-p

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staks wrote:This guy's

staks wrote:
This guy's hatred of humanity is down-right Christian. We are all evil sinners, humanity is inherently evil, blah, blah, blah.

I've been hearing all afternoon (from christians) about how this guy is an atheist. Now I hear an atheist calling him christian. I almost would like to hear what he says about this, but I think it's irrelevant.

Of course, you realize that nobody in mainstream america is going to get behind this guy, so the short term results of his actions will be positive for Discovery.


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News says the guy is dead,

Everything makes more sense now that I've stopped believing.


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 Thanks everyone for

 Thanks everyone for posting your thoughts.  I'm feeling bad about how I phrased my first post.  I didn't have enough time to reflect or read his views thoroughly before I posted it.  I knew the guy was crazy and I don't endorse illegal actions in order to get a view across.  He reminded me a little of the movie John Q.  If you're not familiar, that's the movie in which Denzel Washington holds everyone hostage at an emergency room until his son is given a new heart, he did so because "the system" would have his son die.  

Nevertheless, I'm on the verge of being ashamed that I posted this without more contemplation.  Sorry if anyone felt let down.  I did need to hear your views though, thanks.

 

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I'm all for saving the

I'm all for saving the planet and all but dude took it way too far. The baby comments especially. I agree people do procreate to much sometimes but it's not gonna stop completely. I agreed just a little with some of what he was ranting about but for the most part I'm glad they sniped his ass.

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Re: Tadgh

I didn't say he was Christian. I don't know what his religious beliefs are. I said that his hate for Humanity was similar to the Christian hate for Humanity (i.e. we are all evil sinners and inherently evil). 


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This guy was off his rocker.

This guy was off his rocker. I to agree with just some of what he was saying. I think they made the right decision to take his ass out. As for his shutting down the border. He must have been a full blooded American Indian right. Otherwise somewhere down the line his family too were immigrants. That goes for us as well. We all come from a line of immigration. Now I am in total support of immigration reform, but not the total halt of all immigration.
That's the only topic of his I will touch on for now due to time.

Throughout human history as our species has faced the frighten terrorizing fact that we do not know who we are and where we are going; it has been the authority (the political, the religious, and the educational authorities) who have attempted to comfort us. By giving us order, rules, and regulation. Informing or forming in our minds their view of reality. To think for yourself you must question these authorities. THINK FOR YOURSELF…


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rebecca.williamson wrote:I'm

rebecca.williamson wrote:
I'm all for saving the planet and all but dude took it way too far. The baby comments especially. I agree people do procreate to much sometimes but it's not gonna stop completely. I agreed just a little with some of what he was ranting about but for the most part I'm glad they sniped his ass.

 

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Typical eco-fascist, bat

Typical eco-fascist, bat-shit crazy, ego-maniacal, barely coherent and seething with hatred for his fellow man. When I saw his insane manifesto I thought he might be a member. He sounds like half the people who post here. 

Well he's dead now so there's one less human on the earth. That probably would have made him happy. All I can say is good riddance to some extremely bad rubbish.

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staks wrote:I didn't say he

staks wrote:

I didn't say he was Christian. I don't know what his religious beliefs are. I said that his hate for Humanity was similar to the Christian hate for Humanity (i.e. we are all evil sinners and inherently evil). 

Staks, I knew what you meant. I don't know what the man was, and it doesn't matter. I was just commenting on the irony.


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I knew him... he was active

I knew him... he was active in the community here.  I wrote some thoughts here: http://godlessgradstudent.wordpress.com/2010/09/02/126/ but I'm planning to build on these (much more) tomorrow.


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Brian, people can have a

Brian, people can have a kneejerk reaction, I know I have had them myself. It seems to me that in reading this guy's history he simply was driven to make a name for himself and when that didn't happen, when he wasn't becoming the hero he wanted to be, he resorted to this. I think he also had mental issues as well.

There are lots of things about this country that bother me and lots of things that humans do world wide, to each other and to this planet, that bother me. But what this guy did was selfish and self centered and counter productive. And certainly if believers want to jump on his claim of being an atheist, you know damned well some will. Like we need that.

I will say this, I don't think our society helps by selling utopias like "purpose", celebrity worship, hero worship, money worship. When people don't get to a certain level or a position of power they can end up having family problems. They can end up with addictions. They can end up committing suicides. They can end up comitting crimes. They can end up doing things like this.

Mansion for example, was obsessed with becoming a rock star and when he got rejected, when he couldn't kill the record producer who rejected him, he convinced his followers to do what they did.

This guy is responsible for his actions and the police did the right think in killing him to protect the hostages. But I highly suspect he had swallowed a delusion of grandure and wanted to be "part of something". He also probably disn't have enough of a support structure in his life and when he didn't "make it" he took it out on others.

That is one thing that I hate about sports stars, actors and singers and even business men who sell "you can be whatever you want to be". But what happens when those people don't reach that? Most people do not reach the level of Tom Cruise, or Bill Gates or Lady Gaga or even social leaders like Martin Luther King,

I think our society sets people up for failure by only selling them utopias and does not teach them pragmatic things. I think combined with this guy's mental problems, we don't help by selling the idea that labels and status are the only measure of a person.

In any case, there was no excuse for his actions no matter even if we agree with some of his statements.

 

 

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shelleymtjoy wrote:I knew

shelleymtjoy wrote:

I knew him... he was active in the community here.  I wrote some thoughts here: http://godlessgradstudent.wordpress.com/2010/09/02/126/ but I'm planning to build on these (much more) tomorrow.

 

Wow Shelley... I guess you take point in this discussion....

 

I have maintained for a while that as the economy declines, the divide between the super rich and the working class keeps getting wider... the stress of Global warming, terrorism, heal;th care...people losing their jobs and their homes...and the constant litigation and lack of social justice... Otherwise normal people will "snap" with increasing frequency.... Some need less of a push over the edge than others...

While I really don't understand this fella's angst directed at the Discovery Channel ... I *did* understand why Joe Stack flew his cesna into the IRS building ---------This is neither a statement  condoning or condemning these acts-----------But It has long been my contention that although acts like these may be unwarranted, if not indefensible...they are the beggining of a trend. People are frustrated and angry to the point where they feel the only way to articulate their anxiety in the face of government are random, albeit misdirected acts of violence.... I wrote about it here: http://richwoodsblog.wordpress.com/2010/03/01/the-right-to-bear-arms/

As people's circumstances become more dire, and as they feel increasingly helpless... As the collusion between our elected officials and corperate fascists increases at our expense...and as the media causes people to misdirect their anger ... history has shown that the masses will turn to irrational precepts... we se it now with Glenn Beck...Should domestic acts of civil disobedience...let alone violence... ever become focused through a charismatic revolutionary the potential for the citizenry to be at one another's throats is foreboding...

 

BTW Shelley... I have missed you posting here...just sayin'


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Wow! What a total nutbag.

Wow! What a total nutbag. The manifesto sounds oddly like a cut down version of the crap that the unabomber published. The largest difference being that the unabomber would stop for a good long while and think about what he was doing. This guy just seemed to have set a date to go nuts and went all out.

 

That much being said, I don't think that any sane person would have a large problem with how he went about what he did. However, some of the things that he said, do seem to be rather, umm, on point.

 

Case in point would be his rant about overpopulation. I have said this much before but it remains a fact that the population of the world has doubled in my memory. If there is not something seriously fucked up about that, then I don't know what is seriously fucked up.

 

Now, there is a large problem with telling people to stop having babies. While the idea sounds fine on paper, there is a whole series of events that follow should this be done on a practical level. Sure, a century from now, world population will be down to a rather more manageable level. However, getting there is going to be a huge problem.

 

This is to some extent going on in China today with the one child per couple laws. However, each couple will, one day, be old and no longer economically productive. Then, they will have one child to support them. They will be a huge strain on the economy because one child simply cannot do that and the general population will be too small for any kind of state dole system.

 

Really, at some point, in order for such a system to be workable, governments are going to have to do something to assure that people remain economically productive or they die. Seriously, the older people are going to have to be removed from the population at some point in order to have a viable economy.

 

Regarding his rant on illegal immigration, he really is out of touch with the facts. Probably the major reason for someone moving to another country is because their life will suck less in the new home. So why do they need a new home in the first place? Yah, that would be because where they come from the governments are so corrupt that they sell out their own populations for individual gains on the part of the leaders. Who cares if the people are starving if I can live in a nice mansion surrounded by the finer things in life?

 

Also, it needs to be said that some of the fault lies in the hands of the large corporations in those nations that have developed a better standard of living.

 

For example, a coffee farmer in Sri Lanka thinks that he is growing coffee. I doubt that he knows that by the time his product makes it to my store, it is going for like $10 a pound. That farmer is not getting paid one red cent more than the same guy in Africa who makes the swill the serve at drive through burger joints. All the extra cash is going to the coffers of the business men in the middle of the supply chain.

 

There are of course many other examples. Several years ago, I remember a local imported carpet shop was going out of business and advertising 80% off. So I went in to see what I could get, only to find out that that steep price reduction brought a nice carpet for my living room down to a mere $3,000! When I asked, I was rudely informed that they were very special hand made carpets from India.

 

Trust me on this, the guy in India who made the carpet made pennies a day. However, the price increased at every step in the distribution chain. If this store could offer such a discount, then they were probably selling at close to cost. The old price reflected an original 500% markup from what they paid.

 

In the mean time, Nike moved the shoes factories from the Philippines to South Vietnam because the Filipino workers tried to demand a minimum wage of perhaps $1/day, where the Vietnamese still don't have the level of organization to make such demands.

 

While this is going on, I have to pat $100 for a dam pair of sneakers, all so that the CEO of Nike can have dozens of oriental rugs hanging on the walls of his apartment in the Trump Tower, which he is only in twice a year because he has a business meeting in NYC and can't possibly stay at the damn Marriott.

 

In other news, studies show that when people start to feel economically secure, birth rates drop. So instead of letting balls crazy amounts of money concentrate at the top of the economic food chain, let the money that we are willing to pay for expensive shoes and coffee get through to the people who are actually doing the work and world population will stabilize.

 

The current population is still probably way to big and eventually, we may have to deal with that. Which is probably a good thing. If there were half as many people on the planet, and they were economically secure and not driven to have huge families, would we even be hearing about global warming?

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Sapient wrote:Your

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Your thoughts?

That dude's a nut-job. Anyone who resorts to terrorist tactics for a ideological agenda needs to be checked into a funny farm....

 

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Here's a perspective from

Here's a perspective from someone I have a lot of respect for... Dr. Keith Ablow... if you are prone to hate anything from the FoxNews website... please keep in mind that he is a medical contributor, not political...

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/09/02/dr-keith-ablow-james-lee-discovery-channel-mentally-ill-terrorist-hostage/

 


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Rich Woods wrote:BTW

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BTW Shelley... I have missed you posting here...just sayin'

I miss everyone at the RRS too.  I've essentially received my dream job recently - which is amazing and I'm so happy but I have much less time to spend online.


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What, this guy came with

What, this guy came with guns and good intentions? He was crazy. A sane person would put together, as is the saying, that fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity.

About half of his points is good, but the rest is bullshit about overpopulation and immigration. That guy probably never heard of Demographic revolution. All his ramblings on how babies are dangerous and filthy is bullshit - it's just effect, not the cause.

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Interesting.

He says that the planet doesn't need humans and he doesn't approve of the fastest way to get rid of a massive quantity of them (war).

If we could find a more planet friendly way to do it I'd wager he'd be for a full on death fest.

I'm sorry, war doesn't work. It will destroy what, about 60 millions at most, which is nothing, it will only encourage subsequent procreation because the place will be poor and messy. The only war that could effectively decrease global population would be nuclear, which is not what we want, when we have 2000-times stronger nukes than there were in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Demographic revolution is the only way to decrease population effectively and safely. Plus more contraception, how wonderful thing this is, specially for women.
Women aren't particularly happy to squeeze out at least a dozen of little future slaves and nurse them till the women's boobs reach the ground. They would gladly exchange such future for education, career, travel or culture. That's the effect of economic security.

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What, this guy came with guns and good intentions? He was crazy. A sane person would put together, as is the saying, that fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity.

About half of his points is good, but the rest is bullshit about overpopulation and immigration. That guy probably never heard of Demographic revolution. All his ramblings on how babies are dangerous and filthy is bullshit - it's just effect, not the cause.

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Interesting.

He says that the planet doesn't need humans and he doesn't approve of the fastest way to get rid of a massive quantity of them (war).

If we could find a more planet friendly way to do it I'd wager he'd be for a full on death fest.

I'm sorry, war doesn't work. It will destroy what, about 60 millions at most, which is nothing, it will only encourage subsequent procreation because the place will be poor and messy. The only war that could effectively decrease global population would be nuclear, which is not what we want, when we have 2000-times stronger nukes than there were in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Demographic revolution is the only way to decrease population effectively and safely. Plus more contraception, how wonderful thing this is, specially for women.
Women aren't particularly happy to squeeze out at least a dozen of little future slaves and nurse them till the women's boobs reach the ground. They would gladly exchange such future for education, career, travel or culture. That's the effect of economic security.

1. I was trying to be a smart ass - sometimes it works better than others.

2. Doesn't have to be nuclear - it just can't reach a point where people declare peace (or you kill off all the women capable of breeding). Religious insanity is good for keeping war going - look in the news.

3. Yes, I'm trying to be a smart ass again.

and yes DT, would kill off all the humans eventually - why is this good?

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jcgadfly wrote:1. I was

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1. I was trying to be a smart ass - sometimes it works better than others.

2. Doesn't have to be nuclear - it just can't reach a point where people declare peace (or you kill off all the women capable of breeding). Religious insanity is good for keeping war going - look in the news.

3. Yes, I'm trying to be a smart ass again.

and yes DT, would kill off all the humans eventually - why is this good?

OK mr. smartass, have you ever heard of smillies? They're something like yellow Jewish star that should be kept visible to safely distinguish smartasses from other citizens Eye-wink


 

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1. I was trying to be a smart ass - sometimes it works better than others.

2. Doesn't have to be nuclear - it just can't reach a point where people declare peace (or you kill off all the women capable of breeding). Religious insanity is good for keeping war going - look in the news.

3. Yes, I'm trying to be a smart ass again.

and yes DT, would kill off all the humans eventually - why is this good?

OK mr. smartass, have you ever heard of smillies? They're something like yellow Jewish star that should be kept visible to safely distinguish smartasses from other citizens Eye-wink

 

 

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In other news, studies show that when people start to feel economically secure, birth rates drop. So instead of letting balls crazy amounts of money concentrate at the top of the economic food chain, let the money that we are willing to pay for expensive shoes and coffee get through to the people who are actually doing the work and world population will stabilize. 

Ok, who kidnapped the real Answers in Gene Simmons? Did you have a Christmas Carol visit where ghost of  Jefferson spoke to you?

 

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jcgadfly wrote:My bad.

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My bad. However, you were tho only one to bitch Smiling

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If you keep this up I might just have to marry you.

Along with taking hostages, homosexual marriage is not exactly legal.

 

Yea but how likely would it be for either of us to see Richard Simmons hijack a plain?

I think a movement I want to follow doesn't have to play nice with words, but it most certainly should avoid physical conflict. No human in their sane mind wants to be harmed. If the worst we have to worry about is a "fuck you" that is a goal humans certainly could reach if they really wanted to.

Humans are going to do what they do and there is no way 6 billion of us are always going to agree or like each other.

How would church attendants at a given church respond if you or I went in with weapons or a bomb and shouted "Jesus is fiction"? I think they would respond in fear and someone would attempt to defend themselves.

I think we are better than them. I think we have truth on our side. I would rather go down not reducing myself to the same violence they use to "make a point".

I don't think making a point excludes sugar coating it. I do think it is a natural human instinct to respond to a physical threat. We are human. We are not heros and our labels will not protect us from the death all humans will face.

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If you keep this up I might just have to marry you.

Along with taking hostages, homosexual marriage is not exactly legal.

 

Yea but how likely would it be for either of us to see Richard Simmons hijack a plain?

I think a movement I want to follow doesn't have to play nice with words, but it most certainly should avoid physical conflict. No human in their sane mind wants to be harmed. If the worst we have to worry about is a "fuck you" that is a goal humans certainly could reach if they really wanted to.

Humans are going to do what they do and there is no way 6 billion of us are always going to agree or like each other.

How would church attendants at a given church respond if you or I went in with weapons or a bomb and shouted "Jesus is fiction"? I think they would respond in fear and someone would attempt to defend themselves.

I think we are better than them. I think we have truth on our side. I would rather go down not reducing myself to the same violence they use to "make a point".

I don't think making a point excludes sugar coating it. I do think it is a natural human instinct to respond to a physical threat. We are human. We are not heros and our labels will not protect us from the death all humans will face.

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 Brian,

First of all it was an ironic joke.  Secondly the thought of Richard Simmons hijacking a plain is funny (one of your funnier spelling errors).  A plane is what you hijack, and a plain is land with low relief.

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Sometimes crazy people (in my book anyone who uses violence) take sane positions. This guy was against the population explosion. So am I. The population explosion is the number one cause of all of our environmental problems. Read Steven Kotler's excellent "The Five-Year Baby Ban" piece (http://bit.ly/95OAtS) on the issue and see if you don't agree!


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 Brian,

First of all it was an ironic joke.  Secondly the thought of Richard Simmons hijacking a plain is funny (one of your funnier spelling errors).  A plane is what you hijack, and a plain is land with low relief.

Love ya man... almost enough to marry you.  Eye-wink

 

 

I hope not, have you seen my house? Unless you have a front end loader, I doubt you would want to be my spouse. And if humanity depended on my spelling we would all be fucked. Press the button right now.

 

 

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Sometimes crazy people (in my book anyone who uses violence) take sane positions. This guy was against the population explosion. So am I. The population explosion is the number one cause of all of our environmental problems. Read Steven Kotler's excellent "The Five-Year Baby Ban" piece (http://bit.ly/95OAtS) on the issue and see if you don't agree!

The guy said, "The humans? The planet does not need humans."

That's a bit more than just being against the population explosion, don't you think?

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This guy clearly had mental and anger issues, and by what Shelley wrote he was an active memember of the atheist community.

 

So I gotta ask why didn't they get him the help he needed? From the article and Shelley's blog he was known for his outbursts.

 

 

 

 


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This guy clearly had mental and anger issues, and by what Shelley wrote he was an active memember of the atheist community.

 

So I gotta ask why didn't they get him the help he needed? From the article and Shelley's blog he was known for his outbursts.

 

 

 

 

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This guy clearly had mental and anger issues, and by what Shelley wrote he was an active memember of the atheist community.

 

So I gotta ask why didn't they get him the help he needed? From the article and Shelley's blog he was known for his outbursts.

I did think he could be suicidal, but I generally don't make it my business to help potentially suicidal people unless they want help.

I did *not* think he would harm (or threaten to harm) others... if I did, I would have certainly called the police.

I'm going to post more about this on the blog soon, I've just been so swamped with work... I actually thought the outbursts were a good sign... in that emotionally he might have always wanted to be like that but was holding back.  In other words, I took that, and his interest in public speaking, as a sign that he was aware of his problems and was working to change them.  (For what it's worth though, we have over 700 members so while I did know him and interact with him I did not spend an excessive amount of time with him.)


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This guy clearly had mental and anger issues, and by what Shelley wrote he was an active memember of the atheist community.

 

So I gotta ask why didn't they get him the help he needed? From the article and Shelley's blog he was known for his outbursts.

 

 

 

 

I didn't know this guy like some of the others. So my comment is general. There's not really a lot of help out there for atheist YET. Think about it most of your mental health centers are based strongly on religion. This could have just added fuel to the fires in his head. Just saying. That's my opion. I'm sure there out there, the ones that are not religious but there few and far between. This is something that I hope changes over time.

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We *ALL* know people who can be pushed over the edge... this "Why didn't you say something" Monday morning quarterbacking is silly.... If I called the police on every angry Nut I know they would probably band together and murder *me*... Until someone commits a crime, there's nothing anyone can do about "wierdness"... even if its in the form of "The Angry Idealist"...

Who knows if James J. Lee had any family?... If anyone could have intervened it would have been them.... He probably needed medication, and therapy...whether or not those options were ever presented to him is another matter... but regardless...ultimately he was responsible for his own actions... 


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The atheist ethicist has an interesting perspective

http://atheistethicist.blogspot.com/2010/09/james-lee-discovery-headquarters.html

 

 


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FYI guys, a completely unrelated tidbit of mindless trivia. The famed variety show "Tv's Bloopers and Practical Jokes" had set up Richard Simmons to give an exorcise class. No surprise there. But to his surprise when he walked from back stage and saw the naked crowd. He didn't know that he was going to give the class to a nudist group.

 

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FYI guys, a completely unrelated tidbit of mindless trivia. The famed variety show "Tv's Bloopers and Practical Jokes" had set up Richard Simmons to give an exorcise class. No surprise there. But to his surprise when he walked from back stage and saw the naked crowd. He didn't know that he was going to give the class to a nudist group.

 

I remember that. He went out, his jaw dropped, he went back in. He came back out, basically said "What the hell?" and went ahead with the class. 

 

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FYI guys, a completely unrelated tidbit of mindless trivia. The famed variety show "Tv's Bloopers and Practical Jokes" had set up Richard Simmons to give an exorcise class. No surprise there. But to his surprise when he walked from back stage and saw the naked crowd. He didn't know that he was going to give the class to a nudist group.

 

 

Richard Simmons is teaching exorcisms now?  That sounds like it would be fun.

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FYI guys, a completely unrelated tidbit of mindless trivia. The famed variety show "Tv's Bloopers and Practical Jokes" had set up Richard Simmons to give an exorcise class. No surprise there. But to his surprise when he walked from back stage and saw the naked crowd. He didn't know that he was going to give the class to a nudist group.

 

 

Richard Simmons is teaching exorcisms now?  That sounds like it would be fun.

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