WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange

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WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange

  I was listening to DN ! and on the show they said that Julian Assange was hiding out somewhere in Austrailia,cause he was afraid of the CIA,the State Department,and the White house,he turned in over 90,000 pages of Secret documents to three differant newspapers around the western part of the world,Der Spigel in Germany,the Indepentdent in England,and the New York times in the United States.He redacted the names of Iraqi's and Afghani's who work with the coalition forces and he redacted the locations of coalition forces,but yet he fears for his own life,Why ? Can anyone give me their opinion on this matter ? 

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Ken G. wrote:He redacted the

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He redacted the names of Iraqi's and Afghani's who work with the coalition forces and he redacted the locations of coalition forces,but yet he fears for his own life,Why ? Can anyone give me their opinion on this matter ? 

 

Better safe than sorry- particularly if sorry means dead?

 

I can say it's silly to think the U.S. government would kill anybody like that- particularly in the public eye.


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Maybe he was raised in the

Maybe he was raised in the 70's culture of paranoia.

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Blake wrote:Ken G. wrote:He

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Ken G. wrote:
He redacted the names of Iraqi's and Afghani's who work with the coalition forces and he redacted the locations of coalition forces,but yet he fears for his own life,Why ? Can anyone give me their opinion on this matter ? 

 

Better safe than sorry- particularly if sorry means dead?

 

I can say it's silly to think the U.S. government would kill anybody like that- particularly in the public eye.

Someone took the wind out of it for me. This isn't the era of overt action on behalf of government.

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I think the whole thing is

I think the whole thing is great. I mean it is a cornerstone of our form of democracy to be able to hold the government responsible for their actions. If the media is biased towards or against the government then there is no means which the common person would be able to find out what his or her government is doing. I would be afraid to but I would try and move to a non-extradition country.

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Ken G. wrote:Can anyone give

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Can anyone give me their opinion on this matter ?  

The US government does want him arrested.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/jun/11/wikileaks-founder-assange-pentagon-manning

This isn't paranoia on his part. They really are out to get him.

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Jormungander wrote:Ken G.

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Can anyone give me their opinion on this matter ?  

The US government does want him arrested.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/jun/11/wikileaks-founder-assange-pentagon-manning

This isn't paranoia on his part. They really are out to get him.

 

Without looking anything up, this was my first thought.  The military wants him locked up for ever and ever. 

I always thought the directive to not put the very harsh realities of war out for everyone to see was a mistake.  I remember body bags on the 6 o'clock news during 'Nam.  And the pictures of dead and dying US soldiers, not just little girls and boys of the "enemy".  You know, if you keep it all clean, then no one has to face the amount of messy death and injury war entails.

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Julian is an Aussie

 

citizen so he might just be hanging out here to relax. He's a queenslander so he's a bit unruly anyway. I'm for WikiLeaks. Even if the US managed to turn this beast off it would spring up in another guise.

Just taking out Assange is not going to make the thing stop. Not sure what the Australian government's position on him is. It's a labour government and that suggests to me there would be quiet support

from the powers that be and no real chance he would be arrested. Might as well arrest Randy Katz for his supporting role in storing all the leaks. 

It's funny how keen governments are to avoid things like transparency and accountability.

 

 

 

 

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Atheistextreme wrote:Might as well arrest Randy Katz

       Who is Randy Katz ? They did lock-up Bradly Manning for allegedly leaking thousands of secret documents.I heard that the Austrlian Government refused to hand him over to the USA, (they want to just question him) he was also hiding in Germany.   

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Silliest name, Randy invented RAID storage.

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Blake wrote:Ken G. wrote:He

Blake wrote:

Ken G. wrote:
He redacted the names of Iraqi's and Afghani's who work with the coalition forces and he redacted the locations of coalition forces,but yet he fears for his own life,Why ? Can anyone give me their opinion on this matter ? 

Better safe than sorry- particularly if sorry means dead?

I can say it's silly to think the U.S. government would kill anybody like that- particularly in the public eye.

Why U.S. government and why killing? There are many legal ways how to destroy someone uncomfortable and many private subjects who would take care of it. Accidents happen, from slipping on wet floor, to accidentally finding a stash of kiddie porn and nose candy in your house. There are even more subtle methods. For example, if you have something appraised by agency and use this financial figure in business, then someone can pay another appraisal agency for a different (much lesser) figure and get you behind bars for intended fraud. My dad knew a man who ended up like that. At the very least, if you have an uncofmortable project, then you can simply face problems in getting finances on that project. Even if it's ridiculous 10 million bucks, nobody will talk to you. Such things happen, in this world everything is possible. Not that all these diffculties are fatal for the victim's activities, but they surely are annoying.

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Luminon wrote:There are even more subtle methods

     He's very aware about "subtle methods",that's why he stays away from the CIA,FBI he don't want to be placed at some "Black Site" in no man's land somewhere, or in some super max prison in the center of the United States with no contact to the outside world. 

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Luminon wrote:Blake

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Blake wrote:

Ken G. wrote:
He redacted the names of Iraqi's and Afghani's who work with the coalition forces and he redacted the locations of coalition forces,but yet he fears for his own life,Why ? Can anyone give me their opinion on this matter ? 

Better safe than sorry- particularly if sorry means dead?

I can say it's silly to think the U.S. government would kill anybody like that- particularly in the public eye.

Why U.S. government and why killing? There are many legal ways how to destroy someone uncomfortable and many private subjects who would take care of it. Accidents happen, from slipping on wet floor, to accidentally finding a stash of kiddie porn and nose candy in your house. There are even more subtle methods. For example, if you have something appraised by agency and use this financial figure in business, then someone can pay another appraisal agency for a different (much lesser) figure and get you behind bars for intended fraud. My dad knew a man who ended up like that. At the very least, if you have an uncofmortable project, then you can simply face problems in getting finances on that project. Even if it's ridiculous 10 million bucks, nobody will talk to you. Such things happen, in this world everything is possible. Not that all these diffculties are fatal for the victim's activities, but they surely are annoying.

And if this were ever discovered? I'm pretty sure the US would be far more discredited than any number of leaked documents.


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Stosis wrote:And if this

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And if this were ever discovered? I'm pretty sure the US would be far more discredited than any number of leaked documents.

Well, not necessarily. Wasn't one director of CIA  William E. Colby found swimming in water, face to fishes?
My information is, that week or two before he agreed to cooperate with dr. Steven M. Greer, who's even bigger expert on leaking documents. He doesn't do just documents. He specializes on taking witnesses from among people like former military officers from top secret projects, specially extraterrestrials and world-transforming technologies. He throws around really big names of American military and top politics as the people he dealt with on familiar basis.

This is probably the deadline, as far as you can go with teasing the snake barefooted. Dr. Greer had his assasination attempt or more, which he fortunately survived. If this is so, mere leaking documents on Internet probably isn't a capital crime.
But in Greer's book one thing is clear, officials like military chiefs are equally troubled by the secrecy, because no matter how high privileges they have, even they have no access to certain places and documents. Greer writes how a vice-president told him, how he was denied access to certain military base by guards. They told him they will shoot and kill anyone, even the vice-president if he goes in there.

This gives us another hint. Ordinary people like dr. Greer (he's a town doc) can sometimes afford much more than people in high places. When somebody is nobody known, then even very dangerous information in his hands has little power, while every VIP's word has an enormous power. Killing ordinary guy would in most cases just turn too much attention to him than he's worthy.

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