Calvinism?

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Calvinism?

Does anybody else think that it's odd that there are Christians that say they believe in free will, but justify unanswered prayers by saying it was God's will?


 


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It's not odd, it's normal

It's not odd, it's normal for them.  Logic has no place in religion.  Inconsistencies abound.  I usually point out the inconsistencies, watch them struggle to justify, then shrug and move on.

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cj wrote:It's not odd, it's

cj wrote:

It's not odd, it's normal for them.  Logic has no place in religion.  Inconsistencies abound.  I usually point out the inconsistencies, watch them struggle to justify, then shrug and move on.

 

QFT. It is not even a little bit odd. Sometimes instead of struggling to justify, they will even directly state that logic does not apply to religion.

I don't understand why the Christians I meet find it so confusing that I care about the fact that they are wasting huge amounts of time and resources playing with their imaginary friend. Even non-confrontational religion hurts atheists because we live in a society which is constantly wasting resources and rejecting rational thinking.


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The fact that otherwise

The fact that otherwise intelligent people will throw logic out the window is what frightens me about religion.


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That isn't too odd, really.

That isn't too odd, really. The propositions that people have free will, and god has free will, are not mutually exclusive.

I just don't see how free will and prophecy are compatible.

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It's more or less odd

It's more or less odd depending on what free will means.

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You have the free will to do

You have the free will to do what god has deemed you will do. Makes perfect sense.


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robj101 wrote:You have the

robj101 wrote:

You have the free will to do what god has deemed you will do. Makes perfect sense.

 

Hahahahaha  Exactly.


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robj101 wrote:You have the

robj101 wrote:

You have the free will to do what god has deemed you will do. Makes perfect sense.

I have secretly decided it is better to roast in hell for an eternity....

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