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creation science is ..

creation is scientific. this is everything

creation is why we live.

science is how we explain this

these should always be used together ~

..how do you feel about creation, and science?

..do you, and does it feel rational?

i want everyone to feel that way...

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creationism is magic

And last time I checked, only kooks, children and insane people believe in magic. So which are you?

Oh, and if you think science backs up your illogical story of birth without copulation and zombie deities, you need to stop reading "Dr." (forever in quotes) Kent Hovind and Ken Ham for their "science".

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If this is your position, Sinewaav

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creation is scientific. this is everything creation is why we live. science is how we explain this these should always be used together ~ ..how do you feel about creation, and science? ..do you, and does it feel rational? i want everyone to feel that way... ~

 

You should know that ultimately your 2 belief systems are going to come into conflict. Now, if I was a rational christian, I would want science to reflect god. I would need that to be so. Trouble is, science does not indicate a god that reflects any of the anthropomorphic versions human history has thrown up. I think i can fairly say, that most the science loving folks here - which is pretty much everyone - would be obligated to alter their position if scientific evidence suggested a knowable first cause that could be defined as a deity of any sort. How science would reveal a god who is generally described by the godly as being beyond human comprehension, I'm not sure.

In any case, Sinewaav, yours is a more interesting position that the usual bible thumping horsescrap we are exposed to and the involvement of a science-oriented believer would be a curious and interesting thing. The only other science nut who keeps a foot in the theistic door is Eloise and I'm not sure she counts as a theist in the way most people understand it.

What I am interested to know is where you stand on some key clashes such as evolution, the fossil record, the age of the earth, the maintenance of a floating position on 'facts' that allows a shift in the face of new evidence, regardless of how it challenges the dogma of a religion that as a science buff, you must be interpreting in your own way. It seems like you might ascribe abiogenesis and perhaps a concept of soul to god and much of the rest to natural processes. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Anyway, welcome to the site. There are plenty of people here who be interested to hear more about your statement that 'science and creation should always be used together'.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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sinewaav... wrote:creation

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creation science is..

Oh! Oh! I know this one!

Uhm . . . An oxymoron! No, no, wait. A self-contradictory epistemology! Hold on, I'll get it, I really do know this. It's a political tool used to force religion into science class! Listen, I really do know this. Drat. It's an excuse for people who don't understand science to call themselves scientists! It's a method of declaring actual science, which happens to disagree with most religious assertions, completely incorrect!

It's a chocolaty-coated ramchip! A dessert topping! A refreshing breakfast treat! An injector-cleaning fuel additive!

 

Oh, fiddlesticks. I guess I don't know what creation science is. I guess it could be all of the above.

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Any time you say, "and then a miracle occurred", it ain't science.


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creation is scientific. this is everything

 

Would you please expand on that idea.  What exactly do you mean by creation?

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sinewaav... wrote:
creation science is..

Oh! Oh! I know this one!

Uhm . . . An oxymoron! No, no, wait. A self-contradictory epistemology! Hold on, I'll get it, I really do know this. It's a political tool used to force religion into science class! Listen, I really do know this. Drat. It's an excuse for people who don't understand science to call themselves scientists! It's a method of declaring actual science, which happens to disagree with most religious assertions, completely incorrect!

It's a chocolaty-coated ramchip! A dessert topping! A refreshing breakfast treat! An injector-cleaning fuel additive!

 

Oh, fiddlesticks. I guess I don't know what creation science is. I guess it could be all of the above.

 

 

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sinewaav... wrote:creation

sinewaav... wrote:
creation is scientific. this is everything creation is why we live. science is how we explain this these should always be used together ~ ..how do you feel about creation, and science? ..do you, and does it feel rational? i want everyone to feel that way... ~
Amen! Livin' for God is what life's all about. If you don't believe in creation, then where'd all this stuff come from then? It's good to see that someone on here knows the truth. I just hope you're not one of those Christian moderates who cherry picks which parts of the Bible to believe and which parts not to. That sort of thing will land you straight in Hell! You might as well worship monkeys like charles darwin if you're going to do that.

 

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The scientific method was

The scientific method was not used to determine the information stated in Creation Science. This means that by definition, Creation Science is not science.

 

sinewaav wrote:
creation is scientific.

In order to be scientific, it has to utilize the scientific method. Creationism does not do this; so it is not scientific.

I don't understand why the Christians I meet find it so confusing that I care about the fact that they are wasting huge amounts of time and resources playing with their imaginary friend. Even non-confrontational religion hurts atheists because we live in a society which is constantly wasting resources and rejecting rational thinking.


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thank you

creation science:

(creationism) .. was never mentioned...

until:

else


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Haiku is fun

 

But you generally get some fundamental sense of meaning.

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I don't think it was science

I don't think it was science 2000 years ago and it's not science today.

 Nature has granted us a superstitious streak in order to help overcome our foreknowledge of death. I personally would contend it is an inherant trait passed down by our ancestors fear of death. The bible was written by men in the grip of fear and ignorance, it is not science but science can explain why it was written in the first place. Cool huh.

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Agree

 

And I also wonder about the nature of the sacrifices that had to be bought to the temple for 'god'. Lamb, beef, grain, olive oil, fresh fruit, dates, bread. All being 'without blemish'.

This, my friends, is a shopping list. It gives me a deep satisfaction to consider that jesus himself is the glorification of a lamb kebab dreamed up one hungry winter day by a priest who's

squeaking stomach rode roughshod over the top of his mystical persuasions. The 'ultimate sacrifice' was no more than some one's lunch.

It's a possible truth that shouts to me of the humanity of religion, coloured, just as we would expect it to be, by the basic need for food and shelter.

 

 

 

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thank you

creative people are science personified .. you are definately 01.

living with the understanding that energy (chi) .. is all we need to learn to live with.

balance is underrated .. freedom from self-slavery is better

so i believe...

theism .... the 'ism, .. why ism anything pure?

purity is:

?

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sinewaav...

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(creationism) .. was never mentioned... 

yes it was. You said the words Creation Science, and Creation Science is a subset of Creationism.

 

I don't understand why the Christians I meet find it so confusing that I care about the fact that they are wasting huge amounts of time and resources playing with their imaginary friend. Even non-confrontational religion hurts atheists because we live in a society which is constantly wasting resources and rejecting rational thinking.


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Creation science is...

Creation science is... bollocks.


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creative :)

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sinewaav... wrote:
(creationism) .. was never mentioned... 

yes it was. You said the words Creation Science, and Creation Science is a subset of Creationism.

 

i was trying to define creation" and science' individually and deem creations as scientific.

isms' frighten me.

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The word 'creation' has an

The word 'creation' has an implication of a purposive 'creator', which is not scientific.

You may be choosing to say that the physical emergence of our universe from whatever preceded it, if anything, could be (poetically) described as a 'creation' event, I guess. But such usage can be misleading or confusing.

"Chi' has nor real evidence to support it as a scientifically meaningful concept.

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