Cpt_pineapple and Fortunate Son
PEANUT GALLERY FOR THIS THREAD IS HERE: http://www.rationalresponders.com/forum/19473
Okay, since I am not being allowed a topic in the debate forum, I will post my argument here and I am simply going to ignore everyone who responds except for Cpt_pineapple.
Please keep posts under 500 words.
God = Intelligent being who must exist by metaphysical necessity. From his metaphysical necessity, he must also be (a) eternal, (b) the sufficient reason for his own existence, (c) theoretically unable to improve upon.
Laws of logic - principles which govern the content of our discourse and dictate proper thinking; the most obvious is the law of non-contradiction (A v ~A).
Possible worlds = states that the world could have been in given certain circumstances.
For the sake of brevity, I'm going to forego expanding the argument using the rules of propositional logic such as conjunction, modus ponens, etc.
(1) The laws of logic exist in all possible worlds.
(2) The laws of logic are ontologically dependent upon a mind
THEREFORE, an intelligent being exists in all possible worlds.
(1) is justified because given the infinite possibilities of states that the world could have been in, the laws of logic do not change. This becomes obvious when you realize someone must use the laws of logic in order to deny that they apply.
(2) is justified because the application of the laws of logic is a mental application. They cannot be located in the physical world. They only exist if someone thinks them.
The conclusion necessarily follows. If the laws of logic exist in all possible worlds and they require a mind in order to exist, then a mind must exist in all possible worlds.
In order to refute this argument, you must show the following:
(A) That there are circumstances where the laws of logic, such as the law of non-contradiction, do not have application. For example, you will have to explain how it is possible for a cat to be both a cat and not a cat at the same time.
(B) That the laws of logic do not exist in all possible worlds AND that logic does not require a mind. For example, you will have to explain WHAT the laws of logic are, such that they are able to exist without a mind.