Science approaches consciousness.

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Science approaches consciousness.

Humans wonder, anybody home?
By Susan Gaidos December 19th, 2009; Vol.176 #13 (p. 22)

Brain structure and circuitry offer clues to consciousness in nonmammals

One afternoon while participating in studies in a University of Oxford lab, Abel snatched a hook away from Betty, leaving her without a tool to complete a task. Spying a piece of straight wire nearby, she picked it up, bent one end into a hook and used it to finish the job. Nothing about this story was remarkable, except for the fact that Betty was a New Caledonian crow.Betty isn’t the only crow with such conceptual ingenuity. Nor are crows the only members of the animal kingdom to exhibit similar mental powers. Animals can do all sorts of clever things: Studies of chimpanzees, gorillas, dolphins and birds have found that some can add, subtract, create sentences, plan ahead or deceive others.

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 ...So it is from 8 days in the future?


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Apparently. > > Probably an

Apparently. > >

Probably an article due for publication in their magazine that day.

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See, this is what happens when the LHC is operational.


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Huh. Well...

...so much for the Roman Catholic teaching that "animals don't have rational souls."  Not only do souls not exist in the first place, but animals now seem to be fairly rational.  I wonder how far this animal rationality extends?

 

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Yeah

 

But it's very hard to convince the godly that animals have any feelings or sense of self at all. It's an important direction, this research. I can't wait for us to have no soul and hopefully that whole theory of mind theists love so much can be parked off the street, too.

On the other hand I'd be a bit uncomfortable to find that cows and pigs and other tasty creatures have been shitting bricks waiting for their demise all this time. 

 

 

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Atheistextremist wrote:

"On the other hand I'd be a bit uncomfortable to find that cows and pigs and other tasty creatures have been shitting bricks waiting for their demise all this time. "

 

Me: You just had to go and say that, didn't you? 

 

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Sorry mate

Conor Wilson wrote:

"On the other hand I'd be a bit uncomfortable to find that cows and pigs and other tasty creatures have been shitting bricks waiting for their demise all this time. "

 

Me: You just had to go and say that, didn't you? 

 

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I can't say it would bother

I can't say it would bother me any. I'll be consumed myself one day, it is the way of things. Now pass the mustard. Sticking out tongue

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Atheistextremist and Vastet...

...you have no idea how glad I am that you guys are around to help me keep a balanced perspective on things.

 

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Atheistextremist wrote:On

Atheistextremist wrote:

On the other hand I'd be a bit uncomfortable to find that cows and pigs and other tasty creatures have been shitting bricks waiting for their demise all this time.

You, Animalist, you.

Plants and trees also have feelings.  And I bet all you do is cut them up and eat them or turn them into furniture.

Paisley is one of my favorite patterns.  I love to tell people that paisley fabric is made by thinly slicing little paisley animals and then running them through a press to make them big enough to turn into clothes.  I figure if wool can be made from little baby lambs that paisley can be made from tiny little paisley animals.  The poor dears.

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FurryCatHerder wrote:

Atheistextremist wrote:

On the other hand I'd be a bit uncomfortable to find that cows and pigs and other tasty creatures have been shitting bricks waiting for their demise all this time.

You, Animalist, you.

Plants and trees also have feelings.  And I bet all you do is cut them up and eat them or turn them into furniture.

Paisley is one of my favorite patterns.  I love to tell people that paisley fabric is made by thinly slicing little paisley animals and then running them through a press to make them big enough to turn into clothes.  I figure if wool can be made from little baby lambs that paisley can be made from tiny little paisley animals.  The poor dears.

Name a plant with a nervous system as developed as a pig's or a cow's.


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FurryCatHerder wrote:You,

FurryCatHerder wrote:
You, Animalist, you.

 

Why yes, I am.

 

FurryCatHerder wrote:
Plants and trees also have feelings. And I bet all you do is cut them up and eat them or turn them into furniture.

 

If I ever decide to become a vegetarian, it will be because I hate plants, not because I love animals.

 

FurryCatHerder wrote:
Paisley is one of my favorite patterns. I love to tell people that paisley fabric is made by thinly slicing little paisley animals and then running them through a press to make them big enough to turn into clothes. I figure if wool can be made from little baby lambs that paisley can be made from tiny little paisley animals. The poor dears.

 

Personally, I remember back in the 70's when Naugahyde furniture was all the rage. Do you have any idea how many Nauga's have to die just to make one couch? Do you?

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FurryCatHerder wrote:Paisley

FurryCatHerder wrote:

Paisley is one of my favorite patterns.  I love to tell people that paisley fabric is made by thinly slicing little paisley animals and then running them through a press to make them big enough to turn into clothes.  I figure if wool can be made from little baby lambs that paisley can be made from tiny little paisley animals.  The poor dears.

 

Either i have to go find out wtf paisley means, or Furry is advocating cutting Paisley into peices... for now, i shall go with the latter

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FurryCatHerder wrote:

Paisley is one of my favorite patterns.  I love to tell people that paisley fabric is made by thinly slicing little paisley animals and then running them through a press to make them big enough to turn into clothes.  I figure if wool can be made from little baby lambs that paisley can be made from tiny little paisley animals.  The poor dears.

 

Either i have to go find out wtf paisley means, or Furry is advocating cutting Paisley into peices... for now, i shall go with the latter

 

But would she disagree with Paisley, that's the trouble. As a pantheist Pais is closer to Furry than we are. Paisley doesn't believe in hell apparently, but instead has some belief he hasn't outlined to me in any detail that depends on his own sprawling definitions of faith and spirituality. It's funny, given we usually get on-ish with pantheists, that Paisley is such hard work with his accusations of dishonesty 'cause we think the spirit world is made up yet have faith our cars will start - a juxtaposition that Paisley claims proves his every word and underscores the veracity of a belief system he's not eager to reveal completely.

 

 

 

 

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