Why the Christian agenda against global warming?

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Why the Christian agenda against global warming?

i'm sorry if many of you feel this is an obvious question, but i've never quite grasped why it's so theologically important to christians in america that global warming be false (i'm thinking mainly of protestant fundies here).  i mean, evolution is understandable, so is the big bang, but i can't think of any obvious scripture that global warming contradicts.  anyone have any insight on this?  i can't really go to the source because pretty much all christians in slovakia believe in global warming, that humans caused it, and that we need to do something about it.

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Only God can bring about the

Only God can bring about the end of the world. That about sums it up.


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natural wrote:Only God can

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Only God can bring about the end of the world. That about sums it up.

Well.. more importantly, they think we're trying to slow (or prevent) the end of the world which they very much are looking forward to.

 


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natural wrote:Only God can

natural wrote:

Only God can bring about the end of the world. That about sums it up.

global warming is not the end of the world. The world will still exist and in all likelihood so will we! Our lives will just become very unpleasant.... oooo and lots of people will die if it gets bad enough but the world will not end

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Tapey wrote:natural

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natural wrote:

Only God can bring about the end of the world. That about sums it up.

global warming is not the end of the world. The world will still exist and in all likelihood so will we! Our lives will just become very unpleasant.... oooo and lots of people will die if it gets bad enough but the world will not end

Ummm. *I* know that, but I'm talking about what *Christians* believe.

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natural wrote:Only God can

natural wrote:

Only God can bring about the end of the world. That about sums it up.

see, i don't get that.  that's just too ambiguous a reason for fundies.  they always have an army of random verses lined up to explain anything.  then again, i've never heard them use a single verse against global warming.

besides, couldn't global warming be one of their "signs of the times"?  couldn't god work through global warming to end the world?  i mean, christian eschatology in general usually posits that the world will end in some fiery way.  i even recall reading about some young girls, i believe in italy about a hundred years ago, who claimed to have received visions from the virgin mary about the end of the world and that it would end in some sort of "great heat."

this just really doesn't seem like enough to explain their unanimous and venomous opposition to this theory.

"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
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natural wrote:Tapey

natural wrote:

Tapey wrote:

natural wrote:

Only God can bring about the end of the world. That about sums it up.

global warming is not the end of the world. The world will still exist and in all likelihood so will we! Our lives will just become very unpleasant.... oooo and lots of people will die if it gets bad enough but the world will not end

Ummm. *I* know that, but I'm talking about what *Christians* believe.

Ummm. *I* know that, but I'm talking about why these *Christians* who believe that are being stupid.

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For fundies it is a problem

For fundies it is a problem because they view the bible literally. Man-made global warming contradicts the book of Revelations, and by implication, the idea that only Jesus' return can signal the end of the world. They have a vested interest in the idea that humans cannot make such globally catastrophic changes to the planet. Only God can. If that's contradicted, then Jesus' return is a flawed prophecy. They can't have that, so they must deny anthropogenic global warming. It's classic denial.

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iwbiek wrote:besides,

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besides, couldn't global warming be one of their "signs of the times"?

Not if it's caused by humans. That's the point they can't accept.

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natural wrote:iwbiek

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iwbiek wrote:
besides, couldn't global warming be one of their "signs of the times"?

Not if it's caused by humans. That's the point they can't accept.

i don't necessarily doubt you, but do you have a source?  an article or video or anecdote or anything?  i've wanted to hear a fundy give a clear explanation of this for so long, because all i've ever encountered are bad preacher jokes and the typical refrain of "if you believe in this, you're an idiot," that i'd relish anything.  i'd specifically like to see or hear something where they use verses, since they use verses for almost everything else, and i'd like to investigate those verses myself to see if their exegesis is bogus or not.

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Admittedly, they are hard to

Admittedly, they are hard to find direct admissions. It's like intelligent design, where they try to focus on the 'holes' in the science instead of admitting it's based on a superstition. However, I've heard references about god being the one who's going to end it several times over the years. Here's the best example I could find via google (garish colours removed):

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Keeping in mind that these emails are “alleged,” but if true will strike a blow to the global warming scam. And that’s what it is and always has been, a scam to redistribute the wealth of richer nations to the poorer. It is based on flawed science and apparently, based on these emails, on subterfuge.

Will this end global warming madness once and for all? Not on your life! The madness will continue and even deepen over the coming years. If the implications of this type of thinking based on Mother Earth(Gaia) wasn’t so dangerous, it would be laughable.

As someone who is not a scientist or a weather expert, how can I be so sure that human beings are not causing climate change? Because as a Christian who has pored over the pages of the Holy Bible for 25-years, I can tell you that there’s not even a hint of that in there. In fact, the Lord tells us quite the opposite. Man will not destroy the planet. God Himself will renovate it with fire on the appointed day.

The earth will continue to rotate on its axis and people will continue to go on about their business until the great Day of the Lord. Jesus said “As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be…” at His return. Maybe there was global warming during the days of Noah…but then they had no cars or technology that could alter the climate.  Hmm…

Genesis 8:22 “While the earth remains, Seed time and harvest, Cold and heat, Winter and summer, And day and night Shall not cease.”

2 Peter 3:7

“But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.”

It seems "2 Peter 3" is a very common bible chapter reference, and there are various verses in there that talk about god burning up the planet. But it's god doing it, not people.

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There is a christian agenda against warming

iwbiek wrote:

i'm sorry if many of you feel this is an obvious question, but i've never quite grasped why it's so theologically important to christians in america that global warming be false (i'm thinking mainly of protestant fundies here).  i mean, evolution is understandable, so is the big bang, but i can't think of any obvious scripture that global warming contradicts.  anyone have any insight on this?  i can't really go to the source because pretty much all christians in slovakia believe in global warming, that humans caused it, and that we need to do something about it.

based on the belief that humans can't impact at a global level only god can. There's a timeline with the rapture and jesus coming back to play tiddlywinks with the dalai lama and all sorts of fun things to look forward to.

My mum's parish magazine reads like a conspiracy theorists nightmare - seriously. All these 80-90 year old women are in uproar over the lies of scientists, their little paper full of

pseudo scientific pap downloaded from the internet talking about solar flares and the little ice age. I only recently got her to admit that not chopping down the entire amazon was a

nice idea.  Mum, with typical insanity, believes the scientists make these things up so they can going on living their lives in their own way without acknowledging god! It's priceless.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Wait wait wait... do fundies

Wait wait wait... do fundies believe in nuclear weapons then?


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They probably believe that

They probably believe that if nukes ended us it would be the word of god pushing the button.

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Vastet wrote:They probably

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They probably believe that if nukes ended us it would be the word of god pushing the button.

 

I'm fully convinced that if man goes extinct it will be because of (fundamentalist) theist influence.

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MrPal wrote:Vastet

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They probably believe that if nukes ended us it would be the word of god pushing the button.

 

I'm fully convinced that if man goes extinct it will be because of (fundamentalist) theist influence.

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 I'm pretty sure it has to do with politics. The christian fundies in the states are the base of the right wing. Without them George W. would of never been president.

 

There is a reason that "good christian" and "conservative" go hand in hand for the fundies. Their ideal is to force social conservatism down everyone's throats, so everyone lives by THEIR values, and they see nothing wrong with that.

 

Since the right is openly married to anti-environmentalism and big business, it isn't hard to see that they would be vehemently opposed to anything that was conservationist in nature. They want to use and exploit, drill baby drill.

 

Global warming might get in the way of that. So, it is an issue of politics fused with religion. There is a reason they are called the religious right. Think about that next time you go to vote, and realize you are voting inside a megachurch where the pastor told everyone "God is watching you vote" after saying what is Holy and Just to vote for at the last sunday's sermon.

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ClockCat wrote: I'm pretty

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 I'm pretty sure it has to do with politics. The christian fundies in the states are the base of the right wing. Without them George W. would of never been president.

 

There is a reason that "good christian" and "conservative" go hand in hand for the fundies. Their ideal is to force social conservatism down everyone's throats, so everyone lives by THEIR values, and they see nothing wrong with that.

 

Since the right is openly married to anti-environmentalism and big business, it isn't hard to see that they would be vehemently opposed to anything that was conservationist in nature. They want to use and exploit, drill baby drill.

 

Global warming might get in the way of that. So, it is an issue of politics fused with religion. There is a reason they are called the religious right. Think about that next time you go to vote, and realize you are voting inside a megachurch where the pastor told everyone "God is watching you vote" after saying what is Holy and Just to vote for at the last sunday's sermon.

see, this is what i think, but in a way it disappoints me.  usually fundies do their theological research pretty heavily--of course, they tend to use only one source and that source is utter shite, but still, it makes for long and funny debates for guys who were religion majors like me.

i agree they have such a vested interest in the bush administration and its legacy that they have to have a knee-jerk reaction to anything opposed to its policies AND they have to make a religious issue out of it.  they just usually do such an elaborate job of making a religious issue out of it that this vague hemming and hawing is pathetic.

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iwbiek wrote:

ClockCat wrote:

 I'm pretty sure it has to do with politics. The christian fundies in the states are the base of the right wing. Without them George W. would of never been president.

 

There is a reason that "good christian" and "conservative" go hand in hand for the fundies. Their ideal is to force social conservatism down everyone's throats, so everyone lives by THEIR values, and they see nothing wrong with that.

 

Since the right is openly married to anti-environmentalism and big business, it isn't hard to see that they would be vehemently opposed to anything that was conservationist in nature. They want to use and exploit, drill baby drill.

 

Global warming might get in the way of that. So, it is an issue of politics fused with religion. There is a reason they are called the religious right. Think about that next time you go to vote, and realize you are voting inside a megachurch where the pastor told everyone "God is watching you vote" after saying what is Holy and Just to vote for at the last sunday's sermon.

see, this is what i think, but in a way it disappoints me.  usually fundies do their theological research pretty heavily--of course, they tend to use only one source and that source is utter shite, but still, it makes for long and funny debates for guys who were religion majors like me.

i agree they have such a vested interest in the bush administration and its legacy that they have to have a knee-jerk reaction to anything opposed to its policies AND they have to make a religious issue out of it.  they just usually do such an elaborate job of making a religious issue out of it that this vague hemming and hawing is pathetic.

 

Well, look at the wingnut media sources. Fox News constantly has the issue of "War on Christmas", and they always bring up who is being a "good christian". Not to mention all the outrage over Pres. Obama possibly being a muslim.

 

They talked for days about how he didn't swear in using a bible. It's pretty transparent. Go to wingnutdaily and you see things like http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56545

Freepers are just as bad. Seriously, try to read that article with a straight face, and take it seriously. Try it.

 

I can't.

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