pissed off
Posted on: October 23, 2009 - 12:56am
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pissed off
Seriously, American health insurance is just stupid. If we can afford to spend resources on driving around in cars, wasting electricity, all the other stupid personal conveniences that we have. Then why can't we just allow people who prefer not to work, or are not capable of working, or work but not for enough money, with basic care like housing, health care, food, clothing, etc... Like really, how can you justify some people taking weekend trips to places hundreds of kilometers a ways (and flying there) when some people don't even have enough food. In fact some people don't have enough food to pay for the lifestyles of the people taking the weekend trips.
Really, how greedy can you be? How can you, passively kill so many?
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Natural selection.
Humans have prospered because of herd mentality. Part of that is allowing the sick to fall to be eaten by predators so that the strong may live to reproduce another day. (Not faster than the bear, just faster than you.)
Just one year ago, I felt as you do. However, watching the retarded masses of republicans scream about not wanting a public option has caused me to rethink my previous stance on not only 'socialized medicine' but socialism as well.
I could endure, nay enjoy, watching some of these elderly bastards on medicare die right in the middle of protesting the public option. I would not shed one single tear for their collective demise either.
If not for the medicare tax and social security tax appearing on my checkstub I would be indifferent to their cries of anguish. Instead I am averse to their continued breathing of the same air as I.
The fastest way to ensure health care for our progeny is to let these worthless old raisins fall into the orchard's dust.
Seemingly, every old fucker drawing breath thanks to medical science has nothing but contempt for its progress.
I'm agreeing with them HALFWAY. Imagine how much money for healthcare we could have if every theist cursing science were deprived of its benefits.
I was asked a long time ago if (because of my atheism) I felt like we should charge into the nursing homes and kill the elderly. My answer is still a resounding "NO!" However, neither would I charge into one to apply medical science to a codger who cussed the lifesaving technology when they were healthy.
I am he the republicans refer to in their fright regarding 'death panels'. lol.
Carousel anyone?
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Here in Australia we have Medicare which is great but for one little problem - public healthcare sucks the fat one with such joyous abandon that everyone
has to have private healthcare as well as having their arses taxed off to pay for medicare. Oh - and it's illegal to kill yourself so when you get sick
to death of the bullshit and jump off your walking frame into a dressing gown cord noose, you'd best do a great job of it or into the funny farm you'll go.
And another thing. In the States you guys are able to distinguish between the political parties? What fun that must be.
"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." Max Planck
Yeah.
Fun.
Here look at one of our parties.
Theism is why we can't have nice things.
We have some people like this in Australia but they're only allowed into towns for the agricultural shows.
"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." Max Planck
Yeah. Like that.
Unfortunately the United States has agriculture as a primary export. So 20% of the country identify as Republican.
Theism is why we can't have nice things.
only on the superficial level. a democrat will screw you as much as any republican, they're just much more intelligent in their presentation. all parties that uphold the ideal of the sanctity of "property" (which is always applied selectively) are ultimately reactionary.
"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
--Hunter S. Thompson
Well it takes years of education, massive dedication and it's a very difficult job to be a doctor or nurse. Other high paying professions as well. So you want to basically remove any rewards for doing so. They must live basically the same lifestyle as a surfer bum, they can't enjoy a weekend at a nice place. How does that solve our doctor and nurse shortage? How does this plan increase income to pay for universal health care.
Why don't study a profession to make a lot of money and then give your money away to provide health care for people that don't want to work.
Have you done this? No. How can you be so greedy and passively kill so many? You're only compassionate with other people's money but never your own.
Taxation is the price we pay for failing to build a civilized society. The higher the tax level, the greater the failure. A centrally planned totalitarian state represents a complete defeat for the civilized world, while a totally voluntary society represents its ultimate success. --Mark Skousen
I don't understand why we let people become that stupid. I want to understand it, I just can't figure how we can keep letting this happen.
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Fox News organized it and told them to go there.
Speaking of which, the "tea party express" is starting back up! Expect to see these people again soon as the public embarrassment they are.
Theism is why we can't have nice things.
Once they mention Glen Beck all credibility is lost.
snicker.
1. Take away the rewards like $250 000+ salary and very good job security. No, I will not take that away.
2. I know I used "we" in my op but I'm Canadian and was reffering to humanity as a whole. And yes, when I'm done school I will have been studying for about 18 years for my job (5-6 of which is post secondary) and a portion of that will go to health care. I also plan to donate to charity once I can afford, too.
Also, just fyi, I donated more money than any other student in my class when I from grades 10-12. After that I didn't have a job so I could concentrate on school and get into university and now that I'm in university I'm poor like everyone else.
EXC is under the impression only socialists steal other people's money, failing to realise capitalists do that with more consistency, and they'll make you a slave too.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
Well then if everyone in Canada is like you, the healthcare systems could just be turned into a voluntary non-profit. The people that need charity would be taken care of by people like you. So why does Canada need a mandatory system with high taxes, if things are so great, just make it voluntary. The answer is of course that the health care system is a tool for wealth redistribution.
Taxation is the price we pay for failing to build a civilized society. The higher the tax level, the greater the failure. A centrally planned totalitarian state represents a complete defeat for the civilized world, while a totally voluntary society represents its ultimate success. --Mark Skousen
Theism is why we can't have nice things.
If it's a battle of posters you want:
That bear poster is bloody hilarious...thanks for the giggle.
Because people like us have far too much compassion. We're the people preventing them from killing themselves. We are Artificial Selection incarnate.
We're the ones saying: "Don't do that. You'll hurt yourself." and "Be careful. This might happen." for the same people over and over.
Fuck 'em. I say. Let them run the damned coke bottle all the way back to us after it hits them. We'll share ONE coke and ONE smile and if they can't figure out which questions to ask after that then Fuck 'em.
Give them medicine and they ascribe it to a work of the DEBBIL HISSELF.
And OMFGoodness, one more 'birther' and I just might snap.
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Ah, wealth redistribution. Can't have that. Of course, we have had it as we watch the wealth move up from the shrinking middle class to the very, very wealthy. If that isn't wealth distribution by fiat, what is?
Which is better, to let the current system of stealing continue or to re-impose some of FDR's wealth redistribution and put the U.S. back to work, and the ecomomy back on its feet? Should we continue to allow the free market where CEOs appoint the board of directors who sets their salaries at $350,000,000.00 per year while their companies tank continue to flourish? When do we say enough? Perhaps when the corporatocracy owns all of us?
When it's enough, will we set Madame Guillotine in the street and start pulling the rich from their homes?
Or will we act with some degree of sanity and impose some restrictions and control and yes, even redistribute some of the wealth?
Shhh. You might break EXC's bubble.
You are supposed to worship them and pray for trickle-down. Didn't you know?
Theism is why we can't have nice things.
It is voluntary. They're are no block ion place for anyone (or corporation) to move to any other country (provided that country will take them). Seriously how are you so stupid? No really you need to answer this.
Yes we do need to protect wild life.
If it weren't for you then people wouldn't need to be carted around on trollies. They would have a proper wheel chair. And house.
I agree, I'm not against people working towards individual wealth but I do have a problem when others are dieing and the one's with the wealth have the same amount as small countries.
How can you claim something is voluntary if it places a severe burden on someone? Seriously how are you so stupid? Are you going to buy out their property so they can leave? Even so, I'm sure many people will leave. When you have excessive socialism, there will need to be iron bars to keep people from leaving and keep them away for the the black(no tax) market. The USSR is the example.
And what is the lesson humanity has learned about how best to help wild animals? Is it we provide all their food so they never have a need to forage and hunt for food? The animals become totally dependent on their providers, overpopulation problems, damage to the entire ecosystem.
The best thing is leave the animals alone in an area protected from humans.
Taxation is the price we pay for failing to build a civilized society. The higher the tax level, the greater the failure. A centrally planned totalitarian state represents a complete defeat for the civilized world, while a totally voluntary society represents its ultimate success. --Mark Skousen
If your argument is ever going to get anywhere, you need to explain exactly how "capitalists" are stealing from you and ruining you life. It seems like "capitalists" are some kind of ethereal boogyman that you can just blame all problems upon. If capitialists live in galaxy far far away and pay their CEOs high salaries, how does this damage you in any way?
Humanities basic problem is that we live on a planet with limited resourse but we have an unlimited desire and ability to overpopulate. The basic problem with capitialism in it current form is that we allow companies and individuals to own, buy and monopolize earth's natural resouses. This enables capitalist to geneate even more wealth that enables them to create more of a monopoly over natural resourses.
The way capitalism needs to be reformed is that people no longer see the earth as something to play monopoly with and use to get rich. Natural resourses need to be shared and used for the benefit of all.
But the proposals we see from the left basically all amount to just taxing income, hard work and sucesses in business. It never matters to them how one earns your wealth, they're all theives and need to be punished for their sucess. Their proposals always amount to punish sucess and reward failure with entitlements instead of social contracts. Never addressing our fundamental problem.
So you believe the rich all got rich by stealing. So you should become just like them and steal and kill as well? Become exactly the people you hate?
The lesson from history is that the next guy in power is just as much of a SOB as the people they kicked out(Napolean, Stalin). Union and communist party bosses are just as greedy and corrupt as any capitalist. They will enslave you to keep their grip on power and entitlement as well.
I think I've laid out my arguments on why punishing all sucess and creating entitlements for doing nothing are insane. But the insanity by many here persists. Political indoctrination is just as poisonous and insidious as religious indoctrination.
Taxation is the price we pay for failing to build a civilized society. The higher the tax level, the greater the failure. A centrally planned totalitarian state represents a complete defeat for the civilized world, while a totally voluntary society represents its ultimate success. --Mark Skousen
I've destroyed EXC's arguments far too many times in far too many topics. He's actually boring me now. Apparently he maxed out my tolerence level for right wing extremists lately. It'll pass though.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
While still failing to explain how punishing success through high income taxes and rewarding failure through government entitlements is sustainable. How are humans any different than bears that become dependent on handouts?
Taxation is the price we pay for failing to build a civilized society. The higher the tax level, the greater the failure. A centrally planned totalitarian state represents a complete defeat for the civilized world, while a totally voluntary society represents its ultimate success. --Mark Skousen
I like this article from 2005.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/25/opinion/25krugman.html
1. Lol, the American system places a severe burden on lots of people. You know, the ones working hard so that you can... oh never mind.
2. Canada has a birth rate of like 1.4 or something, how the hell could that possibly lead to overpopulation?
3. Notice how when there is deregulation you end up with the current mess that America caused and the rest of the world has to mop up.
Oh, and btw, you're the one who's stupid
I'm sorry to butt in.
Fuck the undomesticated/wild animals.
Children of excess say, "Save the penguins!", while starving people say, "I wonder what penguin tastes like."
Don't get me wrong. I'm all for interfering and helping baby sea turtles get to the water before predators snatch up the hatchlings. However, that is because I want it back on the menu.
(AND here I go alienating myself again, but the thread title is 'pissed off' so I'm running with it.)
Likewise, unwanted domestic pets can be dressed and sold for food in a much more efficient and cheaper manner than firing up the propane incinerator to cremate them.
Long ago, we had cattle drives with thousands of heads of cattle being driven to market on their own hoof-power.
In Africa, we cordon off huge tracts of land so as to let the wildebeest herds move where they choose. The only thing harvesting them is predators. We're told it is to preserve the wildebeests' 'circle of life'.
The conspiracy hypothesis that I wish I could prove???
Missionaries are behind the world wildlife protection movements. They want to cause people to come to them for food that way they can make more recruits and get more funding for their 'successes' in feeding the starving people that we have created with our 'slogans'.
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Now Darth_josh do not go alieanating yourself, least of all about house pets. Atheists have always promoted the practice of BBQing kittens. The only real debate is over the proper BBQ sauce.
"Very funny Scotty; now beam down our clothes."
VEGETARIAN: Ancient Hindu word for "lousy hunter"
If man was formed from dirt, why is there still dirt?
And this is a perfect example. All he can do now is make up strawmen and knock them down. Sad really.
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