Scientists pull an about face on global warming

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Scientists pull an about face on global warming

http://www.calgaryherald.com/business/Scientists+pull+about+face+global+warming/2010571/story.html

 

EDIT:

 

This article is a bald-faced lie, and a textbook example of irresponsible journalism. This is a form of libel that is illegal in Canada, and I will not have the article reprinted here. 

Anyone interested in the content can follow the link Alison has provided. 

 

Peace.

 

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 DOUBLE EDIT: Please read the following article after reading the journalist's distortions above:  http://deepclimate.org/2009/10/02/anatomy-of-a-lie-how-morano-and-gunter-spun-latif-out-of-contro/   The author does an excellent job of explaining the errors in the Herald article. 

 


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 *Sigh* Alison, please

 *Sigh*

 

Alison, please check your sources. The Calgary Herald is a wonderful propaganda mill for Alberta's petroleum industry; I'm not sure what was said at the conference being referenced, but I imagine that this is either a gross misrepresentation or an outright lie.

 

...I suppose you're on the denial bandwagon too, now? Those crazy scientists and their ideas about short wave length radiation passing through the atmosphere, being re-emitted as long wave length radiation, and then being absorbed by CO2. What could they possibly know?

 

Bunch of gobbledegook.

Back to reading the Bible.

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 [url=http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf

 Compare the article's quotes and representation of Dr. Pachauri to this transcript:

http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/presentations/rkp-statement-unccs-09.pdf

 

Whether or not you happen to believe that Pachauri has done his research properly, does this sound like an 'about face' to you? Can you even find the quotes that the Herald noted?

 

It's fucking garbage. It's Fox News brand news. 

 

Y'know what, I'm so fucking sick of this... does anyone know how to file a legal complaint in Canada? I'm serious. That article was an outright fabrication, and that's totally illegal. 

 

 

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Oh Joy, Kevin is

Oh Joy, Kevin is back!

 

Kevin R Brown wrote:

 

Whether or not you happen to believe that Pachauri has done his research properly, does this sound like an 'about face' to you? Can you even find the quotes that the Herald noted?

 

 

 

 

Not only that, they mis-spelled DR. R. K. PACHAURI as Prof. Mojib Lati.

 

 

 


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Quote:Not only that, they

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Not only that, they mis-spelled DR. R. K. PACHAURI as Prof. Mojib Lati.

Now, that was my mistake, as I thought for some reason I read Pachauri's name in the story. Apologies to the Herald.

 

Now, your turn - and be aware that I'm just in One Of Those Dreadful Moods right now Alison, and that your answer here is pretty damn important.

 

Do you support the publishing of libelous papers that print lies about what a person has actually said (bear in mind that the Herald in that article alleged to be printing direct quotes)? And do you personally believe the what the article has suggested (that the IPCC has about-faced on it's position)? 

 

EDIT: There's a time limit on my generosity tonight, Alison. I need your answer in another hour or so, because that's when I'm off to bed. 

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Kevin R Brown wrote: Now,

Kevin R Brown wrote:

 

Now, your turn - and be aware that I'm just in One Of Those Dreadful Moods right now Alison, and that your answer here is pretty damn important.

 

 

"Yeah! And make me a sammich and iron my shirt while you do it!"

 

Kevin R Brown wrote:

Do you support the publishing of libelous papers that print lies about what a person has actually said (bear in mind that the Herald in that article alleged to be printing direct quotes)?

 

No

 

Kevin R Brown wrote:

 

And do you personally believe the what the article has suggested (that the IPCC has about-faced on it's position)? 

 

 

Not really, the media always over blows headlines to get attention. I do find it interesting though that the Earth may be going through a cooling period.

 

 

 

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EDIT: There's a time limit on my generosity tonight, Alison. I need your answer in another hour or so, because that's when I'm off to bed. 

 

 So I have to get on my knees and beg?

 

 

 

 


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 No. But depending on your

 No. But depending on your answer, I was considering spending my evening deleting all of your posts (past and present) and asking you how it feel when someone else denies you the ability to communicate.

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I do find it interesting though that the Earth may be going through a cooling period.

Except it isn't; well, not by Latif's estimations, anyway.

 

Read this article:

http://deepclimate.org/2009/10/02/anatomy-of-a-lie-how-morano-and-gunter-spun-latif-out-of-contro/

 

And please stop spreading lies about climate change.

It's destroying my favorite park. 

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Kevin R Brown wrote: No.

Kevin R Brown wrote:

 No. But depending on your answer, I was considering spending my evening deleting all of your posts (past and present)

 

That totally would have been mature.

 

Kevin R Brown wrote:

and asking you how it feel when someone else denies you the ability to communicate.

 

 

When have I ever denied somebody the ability to communicate?

 

 

Kevin R Brown wrote:

 

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I do find it interesting though that the Earth may be going through a cooling period.

Except it isn't; well, not by Latif's estimations, anyway.

 

Read this article:

http://deepclimate.org/2009/10/02/anatomy-of-a-lie-how-morano-and-gunter-spun-latif-out-of-contro/

 

 

Your article wrote:


What I said is that the cooling in the Atlantic and Pacific may offset global warming for a decade so that there may be not much of an additional warming. …  I also pointed out that the British group issued a competing forecast for the next decade. They predict that global warming will continue at the rate of the last decades. Thus there is quite some uncertainty about the short-term evolution. Yet we all agree that in the long run, say by 2050 and thereafter,  the earth will considerably warm, if we do not considerably reduce global greenhouse gas emissions.

 

 

 

 


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 Quote:When have I ever

 

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When have I ever denied somebody the ability to communicate?

Lying about what someone has or has not said is denying them their right to expression. Every single person who picks up and reads that Herald article is going to be told that Latif has said something that he hasn't said, denying him the ability to convey his research.

You'll note that 'there may not be much of an additional warming' is not the same thing as saying 'we're entering into a cooling period'. 

You may also want to read the further correspondence letter by Latif:

 

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Subject: Re: Possible misrepresentation in Calgary Herald

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:07:41

From: Mojib Latif

To: [Deep Climate]

[DC],

we showed the graph more than a decade ahead to see how long the effect of the initial conditions lasts. It is a forecast, but as I pointed out, we do not have much skill at longer lead times. It may well be that the warming will be even stronger.

Mojib.

That doesn't sound like an about-face to me. It sounds like an explanation of how the forecasting works and what it's limitations are.

 

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I declare that nobody won

I declare that nobody won this debate but everyone who read it lost a little of their intelligence.


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ok, this is getting silly. 

ok, this is getting silly.  people come on here and throw out bullshit and misquote sources and each other all the time and nobody gets this worked up.  i've called out people for misquoting or misrepresenting marx several times on this site, and while it annoys me, i don't think if i were a mod i would fuck with somebody's post for it.  it's not cap's fault if the article is bullshit and it's pretty high-handed to attack her for a newspaper's views just because this particular topic happens to hit a raw nerve.

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iwbiek wrote:

ok, this is getting silly.  people come on here and throw out bullshit and misquote sources and each other all the time and nobody gets this worked up.  i've called out people for misquoting or misrepresenting marx several times on this site, and while it annoys me, i don't think if i were a mod i would fuck with somebody's post for it.  it's not cap's fault if the article is bullshit and it's pretty high-handed to attack her for a newspaper's views just because this particular topic happens to hit a raw nerve.

 

My advice? Back away slowly....

 

Now I ignore my own advice.

I'm going to side with Kevin on this for content, and Cpt for not making threats. 

 

The article seems to be trying to push an agenda rather than accurately portray work from the scientist. It is using an argument from ignorance as an excuse to try and disqualify all studies. Very much the same argument many creationists use against evolution. 

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So I am probably going

So I am probably going to lose on this one but I choose to actually discuss the articles at hand.

 

When I started the first one, I was initially thinking that I would not read the second one until I had already made my own “spot the bullshit” post addressing the issues with the first one. Sadly, by the time I got to the end of it, I realized that it was actually such a fluff piece that there is not even much substance to bother trying to refute.

 

Even so, the major point on which it fails is in the title. Regardless of what the one person actually said, it was only about what one person said. To use the plural “scientists” suggest that it has something to do with there being more than one of them connected to this story. The fact that there is only one scientist involved in this story is itself a journalistic problem.

 

Even if there were more scientists involved in this story, how many have to be involved before it even suggests that there might be an issue worthy of looking further into? Two scientists means little here, as does a couple of dozen scientists. And honestly, there are at least a couple of dozen scientists on the IPCC who have made quote mineable statements.

 

When there are a couple hundred scientists saying in no uncertain terms that we need to step back and look at the data again, that will get my attention in a very different way. However, the fact is that global climate is a complicated matter and I would not really be surprised if lots of the people doing the work were looking at data which is not fully understood and asking hard to answer questions. The last I heard, that is what we are paying them for.

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Gauche wrote:I declare that

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I declare that nobody won this debate but everyone who read it lost a little of their intelligence.

I'm starting to think anybody who reads any of my posts loses IQ points.

 

 


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Cpt_pineapple wrote:Gauche

Cpt_pineapple wrote:

Gauche wrote:

I declare that nobody won this debate but everyone who read it lost a little of their intelligence.

I'm starting to think anybody who reads any of my posts loses IQ points.

 

 

Does it get sucked into your head like some sort of comic book villainess? Because that would be pretty cool. If you had a yellow suit with a cape and big helmet shaped like a pineapple and then a beam shoots out of it into someone's eyes and fries their brain when it sucks all the information out and downloads it into you leaving them with a head the size of a tennis ball.  Then you just fly away laughing "Ha ha ha you pathetic fools..."

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Gauche wrote:

Cpt_pineapple wrote:

Gauche wrote:

I declare that nobody won this debate but everyone who read it lost a little of their intelligence.

I'm starting to think anybody who reads any of my posts loses IQ points.

 

 

Does it get sucked into your head like some sort of comic book villainess? Because that would be pretty cool. If you had a yellow suit with a cape and big helmet shaped like a pineapple and then a beam shoots out of it into someone's eyes and fries their brain when it sucks all the information out and downloads it into you leaving them with a head the size of a tennis ball.  Then you just fly away laughing "Ha ha ha you pathetic fools..."

 

You are making it worse.

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Gauche wrote:  Does it get

Gauche wrote:

  Does it get sucked into your head like some sort of comic book villainess? Because that would be pretty cool. If you had a yellow suit with a cape and big helmet shaped like a pineapple and then a beam shoots out of it into someone's eyes and fries their brain when it sucks all the information out and downloads it into you leaving them with a head the size of a tennis ball.  Then you just fly away laughing "Ha ha ha you pathetic fools..."

   Cool, I like it.. Now I know I'm not the only one here with a twisted sense of humor coupled with an over-active imagination. 

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