Extinction of lions

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Extinction of lions

Heard it on EuroNews that the African Lion faces extinction within a few decades.
Well. I always wondered what value does that wild beast have. I don’t think the world would be worse off without lions. It is perhaps the most useless wild animal in the planet.
But be it as it may, here in South Africa, the top FIVE wild beasts [the lion being number one] are great business in wildernesses like the Kruger National Park.
[Fully booked for next year's Soccer World Cup - http://www.wild-wings.co.za/]

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Lions are useful to me

 

There's nothing I enjoy more than watching a lion eat a gentle herbivore. Like star gazing, watching lions getting stuck into their hooven tea gives

me a profound sense of my place in the world and seeing it's as much about me as anyone else, I think yes, lions have a major role to play.

Whether or not they can play this role once they are extinct is questionable. Once they've died out they'll be contaminated by nostalgia and we will

lose all sense of perspective. Look at the Tasmanian Tiger. The last one died in the 1930s and scientists in Oz are constantly droning on about using

cloning technology to make new ones while the Tasmanian Devil draws ever closer to extinction. Devils are much cooler looking than Tigers ever were.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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 Correct me if I'm wrong,

 Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Devil is already more or less extinct. Not a large enough genetic pool around anymore for them to breed a strong population without drastic human intervention.

 

It's a pity, too. They were great for controlling many different invasive species in Australia.

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Lions used to be spread

Lions used to be spread across large areas of the planet.
They disappeared or were hunted over the centuries, to allow humans to occupy their territory.
Did that cause any significant problem in the ecosystems?
Apparently not.
In Kenya, lions attack and eat human beings.
Therefore, the human beings, having the firepower, attack the lions and kill them.
Would you not do the same?

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 Um. Modern lions were

 Um. Modern lions were never spread across large parts of the planet, I'm afraid. In North America we have cats like the Cougar instead, and the top of the predator chain (outside of humans) is dominated by ursids like the black & brown bear. It's been like that for quite some time.

 

Yes, of course, people have the right to protect themselves - by lethal means if need be - from an attacking animal. But lion attacks aren't a huge problem in Kenya; lions only kill about 250 people per year in the entire world

I could make a better argument for going ahead and eradicating all of the polar bears, for cripe's sake. They're more dangerous statistically and less likely to upset an ecosystem. But guess what? There's still no damn need to go ahead and kill them all.

 

Some areas of the city I live in have problems with asian gangs. Would your solution to this problem be to just kill all of the asians in the city?

 

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Yes, Judgement Day has arrived

 

And the Devil's days are well and truly numbered.

 

 

 

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julio wrote:I respect your

julio wrote:

I respect your opinion, but as far as LIONS are concerned [not the same applies to wolves and other predators] they are utterly USELESS, for they catch prey and next go to eat it and sleep. Nothing else. Zebra continue to multiply regardless of the FEW the lions eat. Lions are the most useless species; not even good for sausages! Ecologists are defending a COMMERCIAL agenda that grants them a living. In other words, preservation of lions in Africa is fiction for little children. The sooner they are wiped out from the planet the better for populations attacked by lions! http://www.euronews.net/2009/09/15/crisis-in-kenya/

 

You might view them as useless, but they do less environmental harm to the world than we do, and serve an important role in the food chain.  They have lower carbon footprints than us, that's for damn sure.  I don't think their habits are melting the icecaps and destroying our atmosphere which is more than I can say about humans.  Humans aren't useless, they're past that point, they are destructive.  Take a look at yourself julio, admit it, the Earth would be better off if we went extinct.

 

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Sapient, your points make

Sapient, your points make sense, of course.
I agree that lions are much less guilty than humans.
But in Kenya they attack livestock and therefore are killed, as many as possible.
We are also very destructive, but who is our enemy?
Ourselves.
In the end, we will kill each other and that's that.
Goodbye world, ecosystems and all.
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

julio wrote:
It is perhaps the most useless wild animal in the planet.

I beg to differ.

 

Check out this utter waste of oxygen:

 

idiotic monochromatic twat

Anyone else have a picture to post of a particluarly loathsome animal (not theists, we know about them already)

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Everything in australia is

Everything in australia is useless, Really what would happen if the place just sank into the sea? Useless place with useless animals and a useless cricket team and  a useless rugby team 

 

Useless

Useless

Useless

Useless

and finally to show you what not useless looks like

Awesome.

 

But then im guess you Americans wouldn't care about such things as you have your own sports witch no one else plays. If anyone else actually played think you might actually lose! But ofcourse then you have the World Series in baseball in witch what 2 countries participate, yes it truely is the WORLD series.

 

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Tapey: The best thread so

Tapey:
The best thread so far, here! Loved it.


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Tapey wrote:     But then

Tapey wrote:

 

 

But then im guess you Americans wouldn't care about such things as you have your own sports witch no one else plays. If anyone else actually played think you might actually lose! But ofcourse then you have the World Series in baseball in witch what 2 countries participate, yes it truely is the WORLD series.

 

/end

 

 

my only reaction is see these clips from season 9, episode 5 of the simpsons.  first, we have the hyped-up commercial for a soccer match coming to springfield:

next, we have the reaction to the match itself:

yeah, that pretty much sums up our feelings.

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Speaking of useless, I must

Speaking of useless, I must add British rappers to the list.

 

 


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iwbiek wrote:Tapey

iwbiek wrote:

Tapey wrote:

 

 

But then im guess you Americans wouldn't care about such things as you have your own sports witch no one else plays. If anyone else actually played think you might actually lose! But ofcourse then you have the World Series in baseball in witch what 2 countries participate, yes it truely is the WORLD series.

 

/end

 

 

my only reaction is see these clips from season 9, episode 5 of the simpsons.  first, we have the hyped-up commercial for a soccer match coming to springfield:

next, we have the reaction to the match itself:

yeah, that pretty much sums up our feelings.

yeah i don't remember mentioning soccer in this thread  those are rugby teams and a cricket team

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:3

Answers in Gene Simmons wrote:

Speaking of useless, I must add British rappers to the list.

 

 

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Tapey wrote:iwbiek

Tapey wrote:

iwbiek wrote:

Tapey wrote:

 

 

But then im guess you Americans wouldn't care about such things as you have your own sports witch no one else plays. If anyone else actually played think you might actually lose! But ofcourse then you have the World Series in baseball in witch what 2 countries participate, yes it truely is the WORLD series.

 

/end

 

 

my only reaction is see these clips from season 9, episode 5 of the simpsons.  first, we have the hyped-up commercial for a soccer match coming to springfield:

next, we have the reaction to the match itself:

yeah, that pretty much sums up our feelings.

yeah i don't remember mentioning soccer in this thread  those are rugby teams and a cricket team

i know but i believe in the other thread on north american sports you mentioned soccer as part of your trinity.

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:3

Tapey wrote:

I take you queen and raise you one

rush - tom sawyer

Too bad for your rush that you're just another brick in the wall

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I raise you all this thread,

I raise you all this thread, and everything in it.
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Everything as a kind of no

Everything as a kind of no avail. Human beings are useless, for example, parrots are useless, but all useless pooling is not useless. We can dispense with many of the individual pieces, the Lions may be one of them we can do without that I do not know, but lose a lot of individual parts and everything falls apart.

 


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 As long as hunters are

 As long as hunters are willing to pay $30,000+ to shoot at a lion, they will not go extinct. Although, as far as the ecological impact of them going extinct, I do not think it would be large. As a predator, the lions importance in the ecosystem has been usurped by sport hunters, and there are plenty of other large predators throughout Africa. But I would like to protect them because I would like to shoot one someday, it is on my bucket list. 

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Wow! A Vastet post I actually like...

Vastet wrote:
This entire topic is based in subjectivity, and is absolutely pointless.

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Maybe you're right, but has

Maybe you're right [jollybriston], but has that happened before?


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Hi OP

Hi OP,

On Judgment day, there's going to be an extinction of atheists when they are all thrown in hell.

Respectfully,

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Jean Chauvin wrote:Hi OP,On

Jean Chauvin wrote:

Hi OP,

On Judgment day, there's going to be an extinction of atheists when they are all thrown in hell.

Respectfully,

Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).

Except for the atheist elect.

I'll save you a seat by the hearth, Jean.

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Luckily, I will not be an

Luckily, I will not be an atheist at that moment, because I would have finally seen the light!
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