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In loving memory of my mom's lab. I just had to put her to sleep because of her bad arthritus.

Kiddo, By Brian37

 

Her name is that

Of which many

Sweeten tea

 

Her name is that

Of which

Manufactured by bees

 

"Are you my friend"

A happy lap

To every face

 

Kiddo bestowed

A nic

Knows not of age

 

Peekaboo

Her favorite game

Makes a happy wag

 

If humans had

Her disposition

No one would be sad

 

Never this world

Will produce again

Such an awesome lab.

 

I miss you Honey, and you will always be my Kiddo.

 

 

 

 

 

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I know no one knew my mom's

I know no one knew my mom's dog, but I invite everyone here, including believers, to make a donation to their local pet charity in honor of Honey.

I know dispite any differences humans may have with each other, we can certainly agree on the value and love pets bring to our lives.

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Please consider donating to

Please consider donating to the following link:

Low Country Lab Rescue (dog rescue)

http://www.lowcountrylabrescue.org/

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 We have three dogs,and had two cats.The cat Max (my mothers) died of old age,an my cat Baby had liver failure and died 2 years ago and Man O' Man do I miss her,she keeped me company during many of my hard times.I'm sorry that I can't afford a donation.Are you getting another dog,it might help you and your Mother,by putting your love on another animal.    PS,our oldest dog is a lab and my sister has a lab that visits the old age homes in NY,my sister is a social worker and she got five or six other dogs and 3 cats,what a lot of work .

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Brian37 wrote:In loving

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In loving memory of my mom's lab. I just had to put her to sleep because of her bad arthritus.

I miss you Honey, and you will always be my Kiddo.

It's all right dude, dogs are as meaningful as aborted fetuses, the women get over it soon enough. A nice old fashioned american hot dog should cheer you right up.


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Brian37 wrote:

In loving memory of my mom's lab. I just had to put her to sleep because of her bad arthritus.

I miss you Honey, and you will always be my Kiddo.

It's all right dude, dogs are as meaningful as aborted fetuses, the women get over it soon enough. A nice old fashioned american hot dog should cheer you right up.

Thank you for proving that eating lead paint produces brain damage. You should be angry at your mother for doing that while you were in the womb. Go fuck yourself.

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Brian37 wrote:Thank you for

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Thank you for proving that eating lead paint produces brain damage. You should be angry at your mother for doing that while you were in the womb. Go fuck yourself.

Bro, it's just a stupid mut, you're affection for it is imaginary, as is a theist affection for God, it's because you want to see the dog, like God, as something human, when in fact in many countries dog's are just a piece of meat, like cows are burgers, and steaks.

If someone came in here crying because they ate a cheeseburger, at the loss of life that took place so that they could be fed, I'd say they're deluded. Why should you be treated any differently? Dogs are worthy of the same affection of communion wafers, that is no affection at all.

 

 


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Brian37 wrote:Thank you for

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Thank you for proving that eating lead paint produces brain damage. You should be angry at your mother for doing that while you were in the womb. Go fuck yourself.

Bro, it's just a stupid mutt, your affection for it is imaginary, as is a theist affection for God, it's because you want to see the dog, like God, as something human, when in fact in many countries dog's are just a piece of meat, like cows are burgers, and steaks.

If someone came in here crying because they ate a cheeseburger, at the loss of life that took place so that they could be fed, I'd say they're deluded. Why should you be treated any differently? Dogs are worthy of the same affection of communion wafers, that is no affection at all.

 

 


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Any mods around here want to

Any mods around here want to take care of this troll?

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Brian37 wrote:Any mods

Brian is in the buisness of censoring now?  He may be in bad taste, but i think he should be welcome to his views


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Brian37 wrote:Any mods

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Any mods around here want to take care of this troll?



so, lets see, you would like to censor a dissenting view on animal compassion. This is the stuff Peta is made out of, when it advocates killing scientist who test on animals. I apologize if you don't like it, but I did it in concern for you, and not otherwise.

But you want to censor me like theist censored Galileo, that's pretty low.


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theTwelve wrote:Brian is in

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Brian is in the buisness of censoring now I see?  He may be in bad taste, but i think he should be welcome to his views

I am NOT a mod here and I hold no weight here. It was a request, not a demand, I hold no ownership or power at this site. So do not accuse me of being a censor nazi.

This is the behavior of a troll, nothing more. I've seen this behavior before from other people on other sites. This person has no intent on staying long. This is a hit and run poster.

MY MOM'S dog is one of billions, I am not delusional to that. But for someone to say I should ignore my attachment to her is delusional in and of itself. And anyone making their second post "stupid mutt" is not being constructive. This is just an antagonistic prick.

If this asshole wants to state the obvious in the long run, billions of years from now, my mom's dog, nor the Pope or Jefferson, you or me will amount to anything.

The issue of asking for a mod is not to censor, but to control a troll.

 

 

 

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Any mods around here want to take care of this troll?



so, lets see, you would like to censor a dissenting view on animal compassion. This is the stuff Peta is made out of, when it advocates killing scientist who test on animals. I apologize if you don't like it, but I did it in concern for you, and not otherwise.

But you want to censor me like theist censored Galileo, that's pretty low.

Listen dipshit, this is NOT about dissent. You obviously have never spent any long period of time here reading my posts, otherwise you'd know that I am far from politically correct.

I've seen this behaivor before from others on other sites. If you are not a hit and run poster(troll) then don't act like one.

Dissent is one thing, being a troll is a completely separate issue.

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I would suggest to anyone

I would suggest to anyone who is not trying to be a troll, on any site anywhere, do not start off your first posts like this. Get to know the site and the people on the site first.

If your intent was not to be a troll, then I'd suggest you not shoot off at the mouth about people you don't know in your second post.

In any case, my intent on posting about my mom's dog, if you care to know, is to share in the human empathy of having pets, any kind of pet, and the experience humans are capable of having, and the quality pets can provide in companionship. That does not make my mom's dog special or me special. It makes all of us human.

Excuse me for being human and using this thread to vent my emotions.

YOU, "YOUR DOG IS NOT SPECIAL"

DUH! Thanks for the update. But since you know me so well and have spent so much time here, you would have known the intent of the post. Would you care to take your foot out of your mouth?

 

 

 

 

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Brian37 wrote:Listen

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Listen dipshit, this is NOT about dissent. You obviously have never spent any long period of time here reading my posts, otherwise you'd know that I am far from politically correct.

I've seen this behavior before from others on other sites. If you are not a hit and run poster(troll) then don't act like one.

Dissent is one thing, being a troll is a completely separate issue.

No, I'm not a troll, but I am offended by the affection for other animals. Peta makes a big deal out Obama killing a fly, people who felt affection for pets have vandalized laboratories and personal property and sanctioned the killing of scientist. There is countless research, cures for deadly diseases that prohibited by individuals with deep affections for pets, and animals of the sort.

People who plead for the affection of animals give haven for those animal rights terrorists. Just like Christians whose compassion for fetuses, and opposition towards homosexuality has created a heaven for hate crimes, and vandalism. Affection for animals is anti-science and pro-hate.

A dog is no more worthy of affection than a fetus, or a sacred book, or a sky god, or a fly is.

 

 

 


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Listen dipshit, this is NOT about dissent. You obviously have never spent any long period of time here reading my posts, otherwise you'd know that I am far from politically correct.

I've seen this behavior before from others on other sites. If you are not a hit and run poster(troll) then don't act like one.

Dissent is one thing, being a troll is a completely separate issue.

No, I'm not a troll, but I am offended by the affection for other animals. Peta makes a big deal out Obama killing a fly, people who felt affection for pets have vandalized laboratories and personal property and sanctioned the killing of scientist. There is countless research, cures for deadly diseases that prohibited by individuals with deep affections for pets, and animals of the sort.

People who plead for the affection of animals give haven for those animal rights terrorists. Just like Christians whose compassion for fetuses, and opposition towards homosexuality has created a heaven for hate crimes, and vandalism. Affection for animals is anti-science and pro-hate.

A dog is no more worthy of affection than a fetus, or a sacred book, or a sky god, or a fly is.

In what context? In the context of time, humans are no more special than taking a crap. So? There were billions of humans before us, and in the end ALL life will die on this planet.

I think you are missing biological reality. My Mom's dog is no more special than a fetus or some child's pet chicken in Mexico.

BUT, having loved ones, be they humans or pets provides a REAL coping mechinism and support that benifits life, THAT is an evolutionary trait. I think you are missing that point.

You and I could put a gun to our heads right now and a billion years from now time wont give a shit, anymore than it would about my mom's dog.

THAT does not negate the REAL evolutionary traits of life that seek out coping mechanisms, having pets being ONE of them.

There is nothing inconsistent with saying that having pets can be a benefit to life, otherwise humans wouldn't have evolved to have them. That does not make me delusional, nor does that make me think me or any pet is special.

What is fucking up this planet is exactly your attitude, that everything but human life is disposible. We can create endless trash dumps, we can dump endless amounts of carbon based emmissions into the air, and somehow magically it won't affect us long term.

Do not mix apples and oranges.

I don't think people should be arrested for killing a fly. I do think people should be arrested for any type of vigilanty jihad behaivor, no matter what group or what issue they claim to be "fighting for".

AGAIN, that does not negat the REAL emotions that people have and the REAL benefits people have evolved to have when it comes to pets, no matter what kind of pet it is. That doesn't make us special, or any species special, it is a mere recognition of human empathy and human evolution.

Humans are like any other species, just like a house. If you don't take care of it, it will become unhabitable. Our planet IS NOT desposible and it's resources are not endless and our time, no matter what we do, will run out.

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Affection for individual

Affection for individual companion animals is in no way incompatible with hunting, exploitation, or other usage of other animals, even of the same or related species, any more than having close and deeply loved human companions has stopped people persecuting and killing other people. The moral approval or disapproval of specific practices is a separate issue.

Condemning the practice of keeping pets as ultimately encouraging the extremism of PETA is a far more extreme and irrational attitude, in the opposite direction, than is the most extreme 'Animal Rights' ideology.

Current research is showing that other animals, especially those that have a degree of social, cooperative behavior, display emotional and even arguably 'moral' impulses, which we can recognize as corresponding, to a significant degree, to our own. This is entirely consistent with evolution. It would in fact be surprising if this were not the case. I am not saying they are entirely equivalent, but it is perpetuating old self-serving myths to assert they have no such feelings.

It is the irrational belief that animals are little more than organic robots, totally devoid of any trace of our 'higher' faculties, that derives from the desire to see ourselves as the pinnacle of life, specially created, with animals 'placed here' purely for our exploitation, that has helped to lead to the progressive destruction of the natural eco-system that we still ultimately depend on to a significant degree.

Asserting that a pet animal is of no more value that a slice of meat is even more a subjective judgement than the opposite position. That is a personal reaction.

Many studies show the value in providing positive emotional benefits of loved companion animals, especially to people living alone, so there is objective support for the value of pets.

 

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I think my critic didn't

I think my critic didn't give me enough credit. Expressing emotions is normal and having pets is normal, but that doesn't make me delusional.

 

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What kind of a person would insult a man's dead dog?


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Brian37 wrote: BUT, having

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BUT, having loved ones, be they humans or pets provides a REAL coping mechanism and support that benefits life, THAT is an evolutionary trait. I think you are missing that point.

What I personally take issue here with Brian is your overt romanticizing of evolution, you speak of the biological emotion of love, in ways similar to saying that nature gave us rocks to make sculpture out of. 

Evolution didn't give us the chemical nature of love to be relegated to "ones", or restricted to living beings. It can be towards ideas, even monstrous ones, religions, delusions, ants, and trees, to war, and labor. Nor is natural selection relegated only to particular romanticized instances of where this emotion might have been beneficial. We didn't evolve to love "pets", we evolved emotion of love that attach to certain features of things, be they living, or never living, symbolic, or literal, delusional, or true. You may have loved your pet because it had certain features, other may love their religion or political ideas such as Marxism, no different, desiring to never see it pass away, and teary eyed if it does. 

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What is fucking up this planet is exactly your attitude, that everything but human life is disposable. We can create endless trash dumps, we can dump endless amounts of carbon based emmissions into the air, and somehow magically it won't affect us long term.

Well, you know what happens in a world were everyone only believes in himself? He begins to only love himself. You feel attached and compassionate about the future of the world, most people don't, and many that say they do, reject that affection when it comes to making sacrifices for it. What's the solution for a world where individuals have as much affection for their future generations, as they do for aborted fetuses? What are we to say to the individual who says in private: "who gives a fuck? I want to live my life in the here and now, enjoy all I can while I'm still around, who cares about what's left after I'm gone."

There's nothing unreasonable about this person, nor does he have to be scientifically illiterate, he can accept reality for what it is, and not be budged to care. What do you have to say about that?

 


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Gauche wrote:What kind of a

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What kind of a person would insult a man's dead dog?

It is no different than when Hitchens blasted Jerry Falwell upon his death. I see no problem with either IN PROPER CONTEXT!

The difference with Hitchens blasting Falwell, is that he wasn't at his funeral or face to face with his family or partaking in any memorial.

In defense of this critic, there are no taboos. . It was TIME, PLACE, AND CONTEXT and trolls usually ignore that and don't care where they drop bombs or when. The bombs are not the problem, but you don't use them all the time, nor make them your second post.

It was the suddenness being only the second post without any knowledge of history in a thread intended for venting emotions and conveying empathy.

That would be like me when I was at my grandfather's funeral, "Fuck your god, he is nothing but fiction". I may think that, but in that given situation it is not apropreate.

Time place and context was my issue and the suddenness of it, not the criticism.

But now that my critic has opened the door, I am not backing off.

I will not apologize for loving my dog or wanting to express my emotions for such, nor is it wrong.

 

 

 

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Brian37 wrote:The difference

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The difference with Hitchens blasting Falwell, is that he wasn't at his funeral or face to face with his family or partaking in any memorial.

Well, he didn't come knocking on your door saying this stuff to you did he? You came on an open forum, and expressed your emotions about the dog, and he came on here and expressed his emotions about your emotions. I don't think the RRS forum, counts as a funeral, or being "face to face".  I'm sure if a theist came on here saying he was distraught by Jerry Fallwells loss, you'd all be devouring him. 


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I am not romanticising a

I am not romanticising a damn thing.

Life is both good and bad and bad things happen and good things happen. But writing a poem and expressing love for a pet is part of reality, to suggest I am delusional for doing such is absurd.

How the fuck you come to the conclusion that somehow I cant accept the randomness crap shoot called life, is beyond me. Just because I expressed emotion for something that brought me joy, makes me delusional and means I ignore the horrible things that happen?

Hambi said to me in a PM yesterday, "expressing grief means that you really enjoyed what you had". THAT is not romanticising a damn thing, that is a simple recognition of ONE part of many of our evolutionary traits.

Writing a poem is how I am coping. When you lose something(doesn't have to be a pet)(or someone) that you found joy in, you will cope in some way, not nessarly a poem. Some people when they lose a friend or family member burry themselves in work, or take a vacation or seek a thearapist,  or lift weights.

"grief" is part of this coping process. How we deal with grief and about what we grieve over is different for each individual. But to equate a poem or love of animals as being somehow ignorant of reality is absurd.

 

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BobSpence1 wrote:Condemning

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Condemning the practice of keeping pets as ultimately encouraging the extremism of PETA is a far more extreme and irrational attitude, in the opposite direction, than is the most extreme 'Animal Rights' ideology.

I condemn this nonsense: "I know dispite any differences humans may have with each other, we can certainly agree on the value and love pets bring to our lives."

We shouldn't promote such values for other animals. It's the peddling of these values that empowers extremest, and those that value the lives of such animals over our own. We should allow all forms of animal testing, if individuals prefer to have Honey fight to her death, and can promote the creation of jobs and stir the economy as  a result, I'm all for it. It's a fairly tale that says that for other animals we have to say that the ends don't justify the means.

We imprison people, and waste valuable tax dollars on kids and individuals who torture and kill pets, when we shouldn't be caring at all, no more than we care when they kill cock roaches, or farmers kill goats. Why should killing a dog be punishable while killing a cow shouldn't be? The spreading of the animal compassion gospel, creates this hypocrisy. If a family wants to eat Honey for dinner, they should have all the right to.

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Current research is showing that other animals, especially those that have a degree of social, cooperative behavior, display emotional and even arguably 'moral' impulses, which we can recognize as corresponding, to a significant degree, to our own.

And your point is?

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It is the irrational belief that animals are little more than organic robots, totally devoid of any trace of our 'higher' faculties, that derives from the desire to see ourselves as the pinnacle of life, specially created, with animals 'placed here' purely for our exploitation, that has helped to lead to the progressive destruction of the natural eco-system that we still ultimately depend on to a significant degree.

I don't find nothing irrational about saying we don't need to have compassion for other animals because they posses traces for "higher" faculties. You guys are starting to sound like pro-life activist. 

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Many studies show the value in providing positive emotional benefits of loved companion animals, especially to people living alone, so there is objective support for the value of pets.

I'm sure that can be said of silly religions, about those who believe into the guy who supposedly talked to their loves ones, and buy indulgences to get favors for their deceased.


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Brian-I am so sorry you had

Brian-

I am so sorry you had to go through the task of putting your dog down. It is emotionally draining to say the least. Pets become such a part of our routine, such a part of our lives, it is so heartbreaking to let them go.

I have two dogs myself and when the time comes for their lives to end...well, I don't want to think about that!

 

 

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Ken G. wrote: We have three

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 We have three dogs,and had two cats.The cat Max (my mothers) died of old age,an my cat Baby had liver failure and died 2 years ago and Man O' Man do I miss her,she keeped me company during many of my hard times.I'm sorry that I can't afford a donation.Are you getting another dog,it might help you and your Mother,by putting your love on another animal.    PS,our oldest dog is a lab and my sister has a lab that visits the old age homes in NY,my sister is a social worker and she got five or six other dogs and 3 cats,what a lot of work .

I do have a puppy but she is not well trained. For right now, all I can do is bring her to the outside of the retirement home so she doesn't tear up my mom's room. I think it is more important to my mom for her to know that I am going to be ok. I also have a cat that I can take to her for visits.

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Gauche wrote:What kind of a

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What kind of a person would insult a man's dead dog?

Matt...

 

 

 

Not even i would insult Brians dead dog... although i have no qualms about telling Brian how much his poetry about his dead dog sucks... actually all Brians poetry sucks... no scratch that, all poetry sucks

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Brian-

I am so sorry you had to go through the task of putting your dog down. It is emotionally draining to say the least. Pets become such a part of our routine, such a part of our lives, it is so heartbreaking to let them go.

I have two dogs myself and when the time comes for their lives to end...well, I don't want to think about that!

Thanks. My biggest worry is my mother, because she left the dog for me to care for and it was her dog. However , it has been quite the reverse in her being my pillar in this. She has smiled and reminded me to remember the good times and assured me that I was doing the right thing. In turn I have been able to show her that I am going to be ok, which makes her feel better. AND she has a long time friend coming down to visit us in a couple weeks so that helps in giving her something to look forward to. That gives me peace of mind.

And I cant thank Rodney(co-worker) Bob(here) and Hambi for their compassion and empathy. And thank you for your kind words too.

 

 

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It is helpful in times of

It is helpful in times of grief to find common ground to get you through the tough times.

I caught a repeat of this guy's act on Comedy Central.

http://www.marcmaron.com/

Marc Maron

The best part of the act was when he was blasting the attempts of putting creationism in science classes.

Paraphrasing here, "Johny, do you want to do your science homework right now or simply say God did it, and go outside and play".

It comforted me to know that my reaction to theists trying to comfort me by saying, "she's up in doggy heaven chasing balls and sticks and watching over you", wanting to smack the crap out of them. I know their intent is to comfort me, so I am not litterally angrey at them, but the absurdity of the claim.

In any case, I sent this guy an e-mail thanking him for putting himself out there as a minority and that he brought me some comfort.

It doesn't make this any easyier, but it does help to know that one is not alone.

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Gauche wrote:What kind of a

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What kind of a person would insult a man's dead dog?

Yeah. I'm not even into pets, and I still think that's pretty low.

The comparison is also mind-bogglingly weak. Dogs are at least part of the world, whereas gods never appear. At least, not to the sane.

 

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HisWillness wrote:Gauche

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Gauche wrote:

What kind of a person would insult a man's dead dog?

Yeah. I'm not even into pets, and I still think that's pretty low.

The comparison is also mind-bogglingly weak. Dogs are at least part of the world, whereas gods never appear. At least, not to the sane.

 

The "Low" part is not the blasphemy, but the time and place of the blasphemy. I had words for Falwell upon his death, I'd be a hypocrite and a lier to say I didn't.

I am not going to have the ability to care about what people say about me upon my death, but I would hope anyone attending my wake, would express any dissent outside the context of that situation.

I do not expet people to agree with me or even like me. But as there is a time and place for everything.

It does me no actual physical injury for someone to insult my dog.  Those are mere words OUTSIDE the real relationship I had with her, which is what really matters to me.

 

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What kind of a person would insult a man's dead dog?

Da Nugget, you're a pompous twat and your comparison shows a lack of rational thinking.

 your affection for it is imaginary, as is a theist affection for God

 

I could list the ways that a pet and god differ but that would be pointless.

 

Are you the coolest kid in your high school? Bet you are!

 

Brian37, the poetry is horrible.

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Abu Lahab wrote:Da Nugget,

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Da Nugget, you're a pompous twat and your comparison shows a lack of rational thinking.

 your affection for it is imaginary, as is a theist affection for God

 

I could list the ways that a pet and god differ but that would be pointless.

 

Are you the coolest kid in your high school? Bet you are!

 

Brian37, the poetry is horrible.

So? This thread is about my dog and an expression of my love for her and an expression of empathy for others who have gone through the same thing. If you want Mia Angelo, you're posting in the wrong thread.

I never claimed to be perfect, I can only be human, and expressing love for a pet is human. If you want an apology for that, you are not going to get one.

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Abu Lahab wrote:Da Nugget,

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Da Nugget, you're a pompous twat and your comparison shows a lack of rational thinking.

I could list the ways that a pet and god differ but that would be pointless.

I don't need to have any sacred relevance for a man and his dog, than I do for a man and his god. Brian can value his dog, and someone else could value their god, both of them deserve scorn or ridicule for having deluded compassion. Dogs don't deserve any special sort of love that cows, and chickens aren't worthy of. They should be able to be killed for food, if someone so desires, and you should be able to make an income out of dog fights, and people shouldn't be punished for animal cruelty, when you can kill a fly just fine,  you should be able to do scientific experiments on them to better human beings, and unworthy affections stands in our way.

If anyone is irrational it's you, trying to pass on your fuzzy feelings, as rational thinking.


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DaNugget wrote: I don't

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I don't need to have any sacred relevance for a man and his dog, than I do for a man and his god.

Dogs exist, they enrich people's lives, they have proven to be a positive influence for the elderly and infirm, are better companions than most people. Please explain how, in your opinion, a non-existent deity provides the same succor in anything other than a self-delusional way?

DaNugget wrote:

Brian can value his dog, and someone else could value their god, both of them deserve scorn or ridicule for having deluded compassion.

 At least with a dog you get emotional feedback.

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Dogs don't deserve any special sort of love that cows, and chickens aren't worthy of. They should be able to be killed for food, if someone so desires, and you should be able to make an income out of dog fights, and people shouldn't be punished for animal cruelty, when you can kill a fly just fine,  you should be able to do scientific experiments on them to better human beings, and unworthy affections stands in our way.

I agree with the suggestion that we treat animals on a sliding scale of cuteness. I'm a vegetarian, so I don't eat meat but I wouldn't expect humans to NOT eat an animal because it's cuddly. I'm sure cuddly animals are just as yummy.

However, how is making a beagle wear lipstick going to enrich your life, Nugget? Their physiology is vastly different to a human so the experiments are general at best. Grap a chimp and we'll Revlon that up some. Better yet, let's pull some fuckers off of death row and test shit on them.

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If anyone is irrational it's you, trying to pass on your fuzzy feelings, as rational thinking.

 

I'm Mr. Eugenics, I'd volunteer you for the first batch of AIDS/Ebola virus tests. I'd also have my fingers crossed that the side effects were really unpleasant.

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Brian can value his dog, and someone else could value their god, both of them deserve scorn or ridicule for having deluded compassion.

FUCK YOU.

You'd only be right if I was demanding special treatment which I am not.

AGAIN, in the grand scope of time compassion of or for anything is trivial because all life will die eventually. "Life is a flurry of activity signifying noting" I AGREE, long term.

BUT, in the context of the moment, life does not evolve without some sort of interaction. EMOTIONS are not perfect, in any animal, much less human, but you seem to want to deny reality while fasely accusing me of ignoring reality.

What do you want me to admit to?

My love for MY pet is arbitrary?DUH! Thanks for stating the obvious dip shit!

That still doesn't change the reality that humans evolved to use pets(ANY KIND OF PET) as a coping mechinism to survival.

MY DOG has meaning to my mother and me. HUMANS find value and companionship in ALL sorts of pets. You are a fucking retard to deny that.

Next time you see a little girl walking her puppy, go kick it really hard while the parents are watching and see what they do to you. It's ok after all it's only a puppy and that little girl's emotions are merely arbitrary, and you'd only be teaching her a lesson.

You are one sick fuck.

In other cultures people eat dog. DUH

But if you went to Mexico and snapped the neck of a pet chicken in front of the kid, the parents would kick your ass.

THAT is not a denial of the arbitrary nature of what pets we value, in different cultures. You fuck with anyone's pets, in any part of the world, whatever the pet is, that person is going to react.

I don't care if my pet were a snake, if you harmed it, if I didn't beat the shit out of you, I'd call the cops. Doesn't matter what arbitrary companionship I chose.

"One person's pet is another person's food" DUH! IS IT ARBITRARY? DUH!

BUT I also wouldn't take someone's pet that I don't own and kill it to prove a point. If you fucked with any of my pets I'd want to kill you.

FACT, humans have pets.

FACT, different cultures have different pets and different animals they eat.

FACT, most NORMAL people will react to harm of their pet.

The only delusional idiot here is you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Brian37 wrote:Abu Lahab

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Brian37, the poetry is horrible.

So?

 

Yeah, seriously. Were you thinking, "His dog died, bring on the William Blake"? Sentimental poetry has to be bad -- that's part of the charm.

On an unrelated note, the earlier comparison to Fallwell isn't even close. Fallwell went on the radio and insulted people all the time in public. He was making enemies constantly. How about Brian's dog? Ever hear Brian's dog on the radio suggesting that homosexuals had some sort of evil agenda? No? Huh.

And when Brian mocked Fallwell, as we all probably did (that ridiculous fat fuck), we didn't mock his family for grieving. That would have been both mean and nasty.

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DaNugget wrote:I don't need

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I don't need to have any sacred relevance for a man and his dog, than I do for a man and his god. Brian can value his dog, and someone else could value their god, both of them deserve scorn or ridicule for having deluded compassion.

What are you talking about? Get some psychotherapy.

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Dogs don't deserve any special sort of love that cows, and chickens aren't worthy of. They should be able to be killed for food, if someone so desires, and you should be able to make an income out of dog fights, and people shouldn't be punished for animal cruelty, when you can kill a fly just fine,  you should be able to do scientific experiments on them to better human beings, and unworthy affections stands in our way.

If your point here is that you don't care about Brian's dog any more than you care about a meal ... well, who cares? Honesly, what compels you to bring that up? Because from where I'm sitting, that's just pure meanness.

You think I'm being mean to an omnipotent creature by saying it doesn't exist? You think that omnipotent creature couldn't take care of itself if it did?

You're like a monkey looking at the back of a watch right now, aren't you? No comprehension going on whatsoever.

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If anyone is irrational it's you, trying to pass on your fuzzy feelings, as rational thinking.

When someone says, "I'm sad because my dog died," that's not trying to pass off anything as rational, that's expressing feelings. If you can't tell the difference, you seriously need help of a psychiatric nature.

And I agree with Brian: fuck you. The only reason I didn't just delete your bullshit is to demonstrate the leniency of these boards. Brian can take care of himself, and you seem to be making enough of an ass of yourself that he would have no reason to take your opinion seriously anyway. Remember to take your meds next time.

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Welcome to the forum,

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Welcome to the forum, asshole!

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Bro, it's just a stupid mut, you're affection for it is imaginary, as is a theist affection for God,

No, his affection for the dog is real, just like the theist's affection for God is real. Affection is a mixture of emotions. Emotions are real.

God, the entity itself, is not real. The dog IS real.

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it's because you want to see the dog, like God, as something human, when in fact in many countries dog's are just a piece of meat, like cows are burgers, and steaks.

No, it's because he loves the dog. He doesn't have to pretend it's human to like it. 

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If someone came in here crying because they ate a cheeseburger, at the loss of life that took place so that they could be fed, I'd say they're deluded.

People don't have emotional attachments to cheeseburgers. Cheeseburgers are not alive. 

DaNugget wrote:
Why should you be treated any differently?

Um, because dogs are alive? Maybe they're great companions?

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Dogs are worthy of the same affection of communion wafers, that is no affection at all.

Jesus Christ! You poor little bastard. What happened to you? Did your parents get mauled to death by a pit bull when you were five?

Evaluating the amount of affection that dogs deserve is a complex and relative moral judgment. I'm afraid you don't have a monopoly on that call.  

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If a family wants to eat Honey for dinner, they should have all the right to.

Not if the dog is owned by someone else. 

DaNugget wrote:

I don't need to have any sacred relevance for a man and his dog, than I do for a man and his god.

Nobody is asking you to attend Doggie Church and worship Honey every Sunday. He loved his dog, and it died. That's all.  

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Brian can value his dog, and someone else could value their god, both of them deserve scorn or ridicule for having deluded compassion.

God doesn't exist. His dog existed. 

It's silly to call his love deluded. He didn't make any unverifiable claims; he just liked his dog. 

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Dogs don't deserve any special sort of love that cows, and chickens aren't worthy of. They should be able to be killed for food, if someone so desires, and you should be able to make an income out of dog fights,

Yes, yes, yes, but he liked his dog, so he misses it. How is this so complicated?

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and people shouldn't be punished for animal cruelty, when you can kill a fly just fine,  you should be able to do scientific experiments on them to better human beings, and unworthy affections stands in our way.

To a certain extent, different standards must be set for different animals based on their faculties. Otherwise, you have no basis for putting human life above other animals.  

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If anyone is irrational it's you, trying to pass on your fuzzy feelings, as rational thinking.

What are you talking about? Did Brian commit some logical fallacies? Did he make any unjustifiable assertions? No, he just misses his dog. What the hell is your problem? 

 

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