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Who is to blame?

If you could blame any single thing for most of the problems in he world, who would it be?

 

 

Proof for anything is not required here. This is just stating your own opinion.

 

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My first instinct is to say

My first instinct is to say Humanity...

 

but then i realize that is actually all the fault of the Dinosaurs...

God intended them to keep humanity in check! but the damn pussies got vaped by some dumb meteor... or something -_-

 

So, there, i blame Dinosaurs, because they arent around to kill Humans (and if your a creationist!!! "...any more" )

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Well, IF you believe in God

Well, IF you believe in God then the answer would be God, since he created everything and is responsible for every problem.

If you don't believe in God then I would blame people. Mosquitos are an easy target since they kill about 2 million people a year, but people kill more than 2 million animals a year.  I cant think of anything natural or cosmological that necessarily causes the most problems...the Sun would be a huge target since it has to affect our climate in a way that causes problems on all sorts of levels, but it also gives life and aids in the survival of many creatures so I can't calculate that. I was thinking the Moon for pulling the tides, which erodes lands and potentially kills a lot of small marine creatures (or even microscopic ones) but that's inconclusive. You could look at carbon dioxide or other types of pollution because while it doesn't kill a person directly, it could be affecting all living creatures (including us) on SOME level, contributing to the death of everything.

God I'm so tired I'm rambling on about stupid shit. My final answer is people.


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Human nature. Each and every

Human nature. Each and every conflict can be reduced to it.

 


 

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The finite size of the

The finite size of the world which is in conflict with all living organisms desire to multiply.

It forces every organism to compete with all the other humans and species for the world's limited resources available to support life. I think all conflicts in the world ultimately boil down to this conflict.

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EXC wrote:The finite size of

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The finite size of the world which is in conflict with all living organisms desire to multiply.

It forces every organism to compete with all the other humans and species for the world's limited resources available to support life. I think all conflicts in the world ultimately boil down to this conflict.

That's a very good answer. I was trying to go with something grand like that but I'm falling asleep. Yah, I'm going to bed :3


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EXC wrote:The finite size of

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The finite size of the world which is in conflict with all living organisms desire to multiply.

It forces every organism to compete with all the other humans and species for the world's limited resources available to support life. I think all conflicts in the world ultimately boil down to this conflict.

Actually, as long as there is an upper speed limit (light), and a finite number of dimensions (3), then even an infinite world would still see crowding due to exponential growth. We would need either infinite speed or an infinite number of dimensions to escape it. Not to mention infinite energy supplies.

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 Quote:If you could blame

 

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If you could blame any single thing for most of the problems in he world, who would it be?

No question whatsoever.  Faith.

I am absolutely convinced that this is the worst thing man has ever invented.  Belief in something despite no evidence or evidence to the contrary has done far, far more harm than anything else.  Let's just look at the last U.S. president, for crying out loud.  This isn't about religion.  It's about a guy who stands up in front of the world and says, "Iraq=911=WMDs."  There was no evidence for it, and lots of credible evidence against it, and yet, we believed it.

I know it's politics, and people lie about politics all the time, but politicians would be forced into a lot more truthfulness if 9 out of 10 people were good critical thinkers with a strong understanding of the burden of proof.  

Or... how about abstinence only education?  Completely faith based.  Not only does it not have any (NOT A SINGLE SMIDGE) of evidence in favor of it, there's tons of evidence against it, and how much money did we waste on it?  

Or... how about global warming?

Or... overfishing

Or... holistic healing

The list goes on and on and on and on, and lots of it doesn't have anything to do with religion.  Religion is the giant boil in the center of our foreheads, but faith is the underlying disease that afflicts most of humanity.

 

 

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 Pineapple

 

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Curious... has anyone said religion yet?  It's almost as if... 

 

Nah...

 

Not gonna go there.

 

 

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Hambydammit wrote: Quote:If

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If you could blame any single thing for most of the problems in he world, who would it be?

No question whatsoever.  Faith.

I am absolutely convinced that this is the worst thing man has ever invented.  Belief in something despite no evidence or evidence to the contrary has done far, far more harm than anything else.  Let's just look at the last U.S. president, for crying out loud.  This isn't about religion.  It's about a guy who stands up in front of the world and says, "Iraq=911=WMDs."  There was no evidence for it, and lots of credible evidence against it, and yet, we believed it.

I know it's politics, and people lie about politics all the time, but politicians would be forced into a lot more truthfulness if 9 out of 10 people were good critical thinkers with a strong understanding of the burden of proof.  

Or... how about abstinence only education?  Completely faith based.  Not only does it not have any (NOT A SINGLE SMIDGE) of evidence in favor of it, there's tons of evidence against it, and how much money did we waste on it?  

Or... how about global warming?

Or... overfishing

Or... holistic healing

The list goes on and on and on and on, and lots of it doesn't have anything to do with religion.  Religion is the giant boil in the center of our foreheads, but faith is the underlying disease that afflicts most of humanity.

 

 

I was going to say my poetry, but once again Hambi, you one up me.

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ClockCat wrote:If you could

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If you could blame any single thing for most of the problems in he world, who would it be?

Proof for anything is not required here. This is just stating your own opinion.

That's easy. Glamour, or in other words, emotional illusion. It prevents us from seeing the world, as it really is. The belief that one man can lie in a tomb for three days and therefore erase everyone's sins is a glamour. Thinking that we are worse or better than someone else is a glamour. There are thousands of glamours, but the greatest and most destructive of them all is fear.

The humanity is intensely submerged in glamour, and only a few hundreds of thousands begins to free themselves from it. The glamour can be overcame by confronting it one by one, and through getting in control of one's emotionality. And it is a very diffcult and unlpleasant process.

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Hambydammit wrote:Curious...

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Curious... has anyone said religion yet?  It's almost as if... 

 

Nah...

 

Not gonna go there.

 

 

 

Hamby, you do realize I can't help but take your comments like this with a grain of salt considering that I've heard an atheist deny the existence of sociopathy because apperently it's just a scapegoat to not blame religion.

 

 

 

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I was going to say my poetry, but once again Hambi, you one up me.

 

Your poetry is a close third. After evolution and atheism.

 

 

 


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ClockCat, are you going to

ClockCat, are you going to tell us the correct answer?

 


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Hambydammit wrote: Quote:If

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If you could blame any single thing for most of the problems in he world, who would it be?

No question whatsoever.  Faith.

I am absolutely convinced that this is the worst thing man has ever invented.  Belief in something despite no evidence or evidence to the contrary has done far, far more harm than anything else.  Let's just look at the last U.S. president, for crying out loud.  This isn't about religion.  It's about a guy who stands up in front of the world and says, "Iraq=911=WMDs."  There was no evidence for it, and lots of credible evidence against it, and yet, we believed it.

I know it's politics, and people lie about politics all the time, but politicians would be forced into a lot more truthfulness if 9 out of 10 people were good critical thinkers with a strong understanding of the burden of proof.  

Or... how about abstinence only education?  Completely faith based.  Not only does it not have any (NOT A SINGLE SMIDGE) of evidence in favor of it, there's tons of evidence against it, and how much money did we waste on it?  

Or... how about global warming?

Or... overfishing

Or... holistic healing

The list goes on and on and on and on, and lots of it doesn't have anything to do with religion.  Religion is the giant boil in the center of our foreheads, but faith is the underlying disease that afflicts most of humanity.

 

 

Faith is bad but I think fear is far worse. Even in your example of the War in Iraq. The President used scare tactics to gain support and make the war seem unavoidable. This country has been slowly giving away its freedom to feel safer. How many cookie cutter christians are there who believe in God simply because they don't want to go to hell? You can even link anger to originating from fear.

I don't disagree with anything you said, though ;o


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Cpt_pineapple wrote:Hamby,

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Hamby, you do realize I can't help but take your comments like this with a grain of salt considering that I've heard an atheist deny the existence of sociopathy because apperently it's just a scapegoat to not blame religion.

 

... and im sure that, somebody, somewhere, forwarded me as proof... >.>

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 Quote:Faith is bad but I

 

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Faith is bad but I think fear is far worse.

The thing is, fear has many positive functions.  It's quite the evolutionary boon, actually.  Like so many things, it's a double edged sword.  

I can't find one good thing about faith.

 

 

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 Quote:Hamby, you do

 

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Hamby, you do realize I can't help but take your comments like this with a grain of salt considering that I've heard an atheist deny the existence of sociopathy because apperently it's just a scapegoat to not blame religion.

Well, it's not my fault you take the mad ramblings of unnamed atheists as gospel.  Notice that I've been on your side more often than not when somebody wants to tar and feather theists as all bad or sociopaths or whatnot.  I'm pretty sure I've always laid the blame squarely on faith, and I've always been clear that I'm just as equally opposed to non-theist woo-woo.  Like I said, religion is just a big boil on the butt.  Or... forehead, or whatever.  It gets the most flack because there are a lot more theists than pyramid power nuts.

 

 

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Overpopulation, hands down.

Overpopulation, hands down. If it weren't for that, even people going batshit insane over non-existent deities could do so in their own little corner of the world while the rest of us move onward and upward. In that sense, I suppose - when you really boil it all down - Dr. Dawkins got it right:

It's our own damn genes (and their want to propagate) that are the enemy.

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Overpopulation, hands down. If it weren't for that, even people going batshit insane over non-existent deities could do so in their own little corner of the world while the rest of us move onward and upward. In that sense, I suppose - when you really boil it all down - Dr. Dawkins got it right:

It's our own damn genes (and their want to propagate) that are the enemy.

WHICH IS WHERE THE DINOSAURS COME IN!

 

See? i told you, God meant for Dinosaurs to keep the human population in check!

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 Well, sure. We can blame

 Well, sure. We can blame the dinosaurs while we're at it (well, the ones with sharp teeth, anyway).

 

And Gozer the Gozerian too. I mean, letting us choose the Destructor? What the Hell, dude. 

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"Natasha has just come up to the window from the courtyard and opened it wider so that the air may enter more freely into my room. I can see the bright green strip of grass beneath the wall, and the clear blue sky above the wall, and sunlight everywhere. Life is beautiful. Let the future generations cleanse it of all evil, oppression and violence, and enjoy it to the full."

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Faith is bad but I think fear is far worse.

The thing is, fear has many positive functions.  It's quite the evolutionary boon, actually.  Like so many things, it's a double edged sword.  

I can't find one good thing about faith.

 

 

Faith has a very positive impact on the world. You're just looking at it from the stance of a skeptical atheist. Take religion out of the scenario for a second. Faith is what helps people maintain hope and gives them a source of strength. Faith in one's abilities aids in personal motivation and achieving feats which many may say cannot be done (like the Wright Brothers believing in their cause). Don't get me wrong, I HATE religion and am very dependent on evidence and science over almost everything, but faith isn't just about belief, it's about confidence, loyalty, trust and many other positive attributes. I think you're allowing your feelings on religion to cloud your judgment.

 


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Hambydammit wrote:Well, it's

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Well, it's not my fault you take the mad ramblings of unnamed atheists as gospel.  Notice that I've been on your side more often than not when somebody wants to tar and feather theists as all bad or sociopaths or whatnot.  I'm pretty sure I've always laid the blame squarely on faith, and I've always been clear that I'm just as equally opposed to non-theist woo-woo.  Like I said, religion is just a big boil on the butt.  Or... forehead, or whatever.  It gets the most flack because there are a lot more theists than pyramid power nuts.

 

 

 

 

Well, Hamby, one of my quirks is that you said man invented faith. Faith is in our nature.

 

 

 

Anywho I think this is a marked day on the calender since I think I agree with Kevin

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It's our own damn genes (and their want to propagate) that are the enemy.

 

 

But so I'm not completely on his side, I also think it's the other things genes do [not just propagate] that also cause the problem.