Jesus validated alcoholism?
Posted on: May 27, 2009 - 8:18am
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Jesus validated alcoholism?
Jesus validated alcoholism? Yes! 1. Jesus made MORE wine [an extra 600 liters] at a wedding [he drank MORE alongside with his mother and the disciples, who when drunk [probably] exclaimed, “This is the Christ!” (John 2:11)]; 2. He drank alcoholic liquids regularly with sinners and prostitutes, Matthew 11:19; 3. He taught that the poor and poverty would always be among the Jews [a strong element of alcoholism in Israel], John 12:8, Luke 7:22, Romans 15:26; 4. And the Jewish scriptures endorsed substance abuse to soften the horrors of life [Proverbs 31:6-7].
PS: (I am against alcoholism)
More baking powder, less religion; more bakeries, less churches.
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Luke 7:34 seems to support your position that Jesus was a boozer.
Luke 7:34 (King James Version)
34The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!
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It is ascertained that to get drunk in Palestine at the time of this christ was a route many people took to fight against the terrible living conditions under Jehovah God!
Also, nobody had to be caught drinking & driving on the dusty roads leading to Jerusalem; so, the folk drank and invited Jesus to join, what was wrong with that?!…
It is calculated that half of the high-alcohol content drinks on sale at that time was used to help people die happy, according to Proverbs 31:7!!!
More baking powder, less religion; more bakeries, less churches.
What is thought to be known is that he was a partier, and liked to have a good time during his year of travels before being killed for attempting to make Rome's governing illigitimate. (treason) Also keep in mind he only supposedly visited rural areas, where there were few people and few things to do.
Yes, he drank a lot. Messiahs performing miracles were commonplace as well then.
Theism is why we can't have nice things.
It's fair to note that the passage from Psalms has other words too... the point of the passage is for those in power to defend the oppressed, and that drinking wine/beer (possibly to excess) may impede that mission.
Proverbs 31:2-8 (Today's New International Version)
2 Listen, my son! Listen, son of my womb!Listen, my son, the answer to my prayers! 3 Do not spend your strength a</a>]" style="font-size: 0.75em; line-height: 0.5em; ">[a] on women,
your vigor on those who ruin kings. 4 It is not for kings, Lemuel—
it is not for kings to drink wine, not for rulers to crave beer, 5 lest they drink and forget what has been decreed, and deprive all the oppressed of their rights. 6 Let beer be for those who are perishing, wine for those who are in anguish! 7 Let them drink and forget their poverty
and remember their misery no more. 8 Speak up for those who cannot speak fo themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute.
Alcohol in moderation and drunkenness must be distinguished. Christ taught against the later. Luke 21:34
First of all the wine in biblical times was no where near what we have today. To many times people read the scriptures and try to put them in today's context. The fermentation process back then did not go on for years like it does today, more like weeks. This being the case, it was merely a fraction as alcoholic.
To pauljohntheskeptic: In Luke 7, what was being pointed out was the hypocritical nature of the people. John proclaimed the Way as an outcast and was a "demon." While Christ was amoung the people, "eating and drinking" and he was a "glutton and a drunkard." This was not meant to be a factual statement about the character of Jesus.